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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1125 on: June 26, 2019, 15:23:11 »
New (short) trade video that I just saw a few minutes ago.  Gives a quick look at some of the modernization that has happened with the 2 main fleets we fly on;  the CH-148 Cyclone and CP-140M Aurora. 

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1126 on: June 26, 2019, 20:36:25 »
New (short) trade video that I just saw a few minutes ago.  Gives a quick look at some of the modernization that has happened with the 2 main fleets we fly on;  the CH-148 Cyclone and CP-140M Aurora. 

Featured Career - AES Op

Thanks for sharing ! It's nice to have a fresher look at the trade.  ;D

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1127 on: August 26, 2019, 12:59:44 »
Big weight off my shoulders. Just finished my PSO interview ... Looking good hopefully. Boards are supposed to be held for votu in October so I should expect to hear back by Halloween. Fingers crossed

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1128 on: August 26, 2019, 14:42:29 »
If you don't mind me asking...did you prep at all for the interview?  I hope it works out for you...it is definitely a good trade and a decent way to earn a pay cheque and pension.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1129 on: August 26, 2019, 15:31:18 »
Yes. I researched a lot. I think the interview was good. The PSO said I was very competitive and would be surprised if I was not picked considering the amount of Aesop's being recruited this term. My cfat is very solid.

I just need to give my grade 12 transcripts as I applied while I was still in school.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1130 on: August 26, 2019, 15:35:37 »
Awesome...hope you get the nod this fall!
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1131 on: September 21, 2019, 20:24:40 »
I'm set for my BPSO interview on October 15th, I'm excited !

Do you guys have any tips to prepare for it ? What does a typical interview look like (type of questions, ambience, etc.)

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1132 on: September 22, 2019, 09:07:34 »
The best thing you can do is have a good, basic understanding of what AES Ops do, where they do it, and why you believe the trade would be good for both the CAF and you as the member.  Be respectful of rank, be polite and professional in your interactions.

FWIW, I dressed the same as the BPSO office folks, so rather than being in CADPAT I was in 3B.  It's an interview after all.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1133 on: September 22, 2019, 10:13:16 »
Do you guys have any tips to prepare for it ? What does a typical interview look like (type of questions, ambience, etc.)

EITS nailed it. You should also be prepared to talk about yourself, your hobbies, job experiences, community involvement, stuff like that.


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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1134 on: October 16, 2019, 18:32:40 »
Got my offer! Going on BTL here in Edmonton on the 31st. Hopefully don't have to wait too long for courses

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1135 on: October 16, 2019, 18:39:20 »
Congrats! 

Course wait times...don't fret over it too much.  I'm the BTL Co-ord for a dozen or so BTL AES Ops;  when the CWO who does the course loading can fit people in, he fits them in.  There are some pre-req courses you'll have to complete before you attend the formal course at 402 Sqn.

In the meantime, you might think about where you are going to hang your hat during BTL days.  Maybe here?  http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/squadron/408-squadron.page

Securing an OJT spot could be the next important thing you do. 

Congrats again...if there is any advice, etc you need, don't hesitate to fire me a PM.  If I don't know the answer, I probably know the person who does know the answer.   ;D
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1136 on: October 16, 2019, 18:48:33 »
Congrats! 

Course wait times...don't fret over it too much.  I'm the BTL Co-ord for a dozen or so BTL AES Ops;  when the CWO who does the course loading can fit people in, he fits them in.  There are some pre-req courses you'll have to complete before you attend the formal course at 402 Sqn.

In the meantime, you might think about where you are going to hang your hat during BTL days.  Maybe here?  http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/squadron/408-squadron.page

Securing an OJT spot could be the next important thing you do. 

Congrats again...if there is any advice, etc you need, don't hesitate to fire me a PM.  If I don't know the answer, I probably know the person who does know the answer.   ;D

I was thinking of 408, but I didn't think they have much stuff relevant to the trade or if they even have a single AESOp?

I wonder if OJE in Comox would be viable. Not sure.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1137 on: October 16, 2019, 18:59:55 »
I was thinking of 408, but I didn't think they have much stuff relevant to the trade or if they even have a single AESOp?

I wonder if OJE in Comox would be viable. Not sure.

408 doesn't have any AES Ops. 

As for Comox, it never hurts to ask.  Winters are nicer too.   Problem is you may never want to leave the Island.   :nod:
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1138 on: October 16, 2019, 19:11:48 »
Aha, I want to go there so I can be close to whistler. Hit the slopes and start shredding!

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1139 on: October 16, 2019, 22:36:31 »
You can definitely ask your BTL CofC about that...if you need some direct assistance from "within the trade", drop me a PM.

408 is TacHel so no AES Ops but...it's the best choice if you remain in Edmonton, IMO.  I know some folks who've had some lousy BTL waits (Wainwright...Shilo).  Being around a flying Sqn is still being around a flying Sqn.

Even if it is "army aviation".   ;D
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1140 on: October 17, 2019, 07:15:45 »
You can definitely ask your BTL CofC about that...if you need some direct assistance from "within the trade", drop me a PM.

408 is TacHel so no AES Ops but...it's the best choice if you remain in Edmonton, IMO.  I know some folks who've had some lousy BTL waits (Wainwright...Shilo).  Being around a flying Sqn is still being around a flying Sqn.

Even if it is "army aviation".   ;D

408 Sqn took some of their BTL guys with them to Mali working ops, can’t say there are too many chilling their heels on the BTL that get an operational tour before type training. :nod:

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1141 on: October 17, 2019, 16:50:23 »
Friggin TacHel showin' off!   ;D

Honestly...good on them!  I spent my BTL time at a MH Sqn and flew...a big, fat O times...nadda once.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1142 on: October 18, 2019, 11:35:03 »
Congrats on being accepted into the trade.

As for BTL in Edmonton, yes you can request it via your BTL CoC, however it doesn't mean you'll get it. Often there must be a compassionate reason for moving unqualified BTL AES Op around the country. It boils down to who'll pay for it. In the meantime, try to learn the RCAF culture, particularly the aircrew world, lingo, etc. The AES Op BTL manager is our SOA CWO at 2 CAD and he'll get in touch with you in the near future. He'll be the one loading you on all pre-req courses and also on BACQ.

Lastly, enjoy your next year as you'll be learning lots of cool things and taking some really good courses. Once again, welcome to the trade!
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1143 on: October 19, 2019, 19:00:48 »
Thanks EEV! Just gotta play the game a little longer

I think I might find myself at 408 now... :nod:

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1144 on: October 20, 2019, 21:46:26 »
Thanks EEV! Just gotta play the game a little longer

I think I might find myself at 408 now... :nod:

Honestly, as a BTL at a Sqn with AES Ops you won't do much "AES Op" stuff.  I've got 15 BTL AES Op Cpl's and Avr's to employ at a Sqn; as they are unqualified in the trade...well, there are limited ways to employ them.  I don't see a real huge benefit to being at a LRP or MH Sqn for BTL...the big one might be PAX flights but...you'll still likely have that opportunity at 408.

Enjoy the BTL time, though;  once you get into the training system it can be non-stop for a while.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1145 on: October 21, 2019, 01:17:09 »
My interview went really well with the BPSO earlier this week but unfortunately, after getting my medical approved by Ottawa, Toronto stated it is not acceptable to apply as an AESOP it looks like.

I got a G3 under Geographical Factor because of a medication I took. G3 means that they will check before I deploy to see if everything's fine with me. At first, I was allright with it but since it blocks me from receiving an offer as an AESOP, I gotta act.

I was wondering if anyone had a similar experience regarding a "G3" medical category and how to overturn it. As I understood, they only rated me that way because I have an history with medication, even if I never really needed it and also not taking it anymore. My plan is to discuss this issue with the doctor at my unit and get a reference with a specialist to prove I don't need it in order to get over that G3 rating I had.

Any advice in that case would be gladly appreciated. I am motivated to become an AESOP and I don't want to give up on a possible great career opportunity.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1146 on: October 21, 2019, 14:57:42 »
First point;  AUMB is the Aerospace Underwater Medical Board (aka "Toronto") that is part of CFEME Toronto, part of DRDC (IIRC).  Short version; only AUMB can award permanent medical categories for aircrew, drivers, submariners.

Next, I just want to make sure you know the difference between a G3 and a G2 (min requirement for AES Op).  You can read them here.  https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/policies-standards/medical-standards-military-occupations/medical-category-system.html

I don't know (and encourage you to not disclose on a public forum) the circumstances about medication use, etc but I think you are taking the correct approach, but would amend it to "...to discuss this issue with the Doctor...." to "discuss with a flight surgeon if possible".  I don't know if you have access to one, but they (in my experience) look at things a little differently than someone not trained in aviation medicine/occupational medicine.

If they are supportive of your points, then maybe further action can be taken with a specialist, etc to satisfy AUMB.  I am curious if they indicated "not fit AT THIS TIME"...vice "not fit" suggesting a permanent "blocker" to the required MedCat for AES Op.  There is a difference.

I'd highly encourage a well-thought out conversation with a flight surgeon if possible, and maybe they will support....if they can, or the Base/Wing Surgeon, reach out to AUMB and ask for clarification if anything can be done to secure a G2 determination...maybe "reapply after 12 months" will be the answer.  Then you can decide "wait and pursue" or throw in the towel.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1147 on: October 21, 2019, 15:14:52 »
First point;  AUMB is the Aerospace Underwater Medical Board (aka "Toronto") that is part of CFEME Toronto, part of DRDC (IIRC).  Short version; only AUMB can award permanent medical categories for aircrew, drivers, submariners.

Next, I just want to make sure you know the difference between a G3 and a G2 (min requirement for AES Op).  You can read them here.  https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/policies-standards/medical-standards-military-occupations/medical-category-system.html

I don't know (and encourage you to not disclose on a public forum) the circumstances about medication use, etc but I think you are taking the correct approach, but would amend it to "...to discuss this issue with the Doctor...." to "discuss with a flight surgeon if possible".  I don't know if you have access to one, but they (in my experience) look at things a little differently than someone not trained in aviation medicine/occupational medicine.

If they are supportive of your points, then maybe further action can be taken with a specialist, etc to satisfy AUMB.  I am curious if they indicated "not fit AT THIS TIME"...vice "not fit" suggesting a permanent "blocker" to the required MedCat for AES Op.  There is a difference.

I'd highly encourage a well-thought out conversation with a flight surgeon if possible, and maybe they will support....if they can, or the Base/Wing Surgeon, reach out to AUMB and ask for clarification if anything can be done to secure a G2 determination...maybe "reapply after 12 months" will be the answer.  Then you can decide "wait and pursue" or throw in the towel.

 :2c:

I did have a contact with the flight surgeon that I did my medical with and he suggested that I get a reference to a specialist with my doctor at my home unit in order to satisfy the requirements of CFEME Toronto.

Thank you for your usual quick input ! I'll make sure to check if they indicated not fit at this time or simply not fit. Would be a game changer.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1148 on: October 22, 2019, 15:13:56 »
I did have a contact with the flight surgeon that I did my medical with and he suggested that I get a reference to a specialist with my doctor at my home unit in order to satisfy the requirements of CFEME Toronto.

Thank you for your usual quick input ! I'll make sure to check if they indicated not fit at this time or simply not fit. Would be a game changer.

If a Flt Srgn is suggesting...that is all I'd need to take the next steps.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1149 on: October 30, 2019, 18:48:35 »
Good day,

I am currently on BTL. Will I remain on BTL at my current base until I get put on course. It would be help full to know how long I should be waiting until getting a posting msg to Winnipeg. This is so I can know if I should buy a vehicle now and if I should get internet hooked up.


Thanks,