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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #250 on: August 14, 2012, 06:25:38 »
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There's growing concern among veterans a big chunk of a planned multi-million settlement over the clawback of military pensions could be gobbled up by legal fees.

One member of a class-action lawsuit has written to Defence Minister Peter MacKay, asking that the federal government pay the cost of lawyers over and above any out-of-court compensation that arises from upcoming negotiations.

"I hope that you make a separate reasonable payment to lawyers in accordance with the reasonable fees set by precedent in the courts," wrote Louise Gagnon, a retired major.

"This payment should not come from the monies contractually and honourably owed us."

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Information from Veterans Affairs Canada suggests legal fees could be included in whatever final agreement is made.

"By agreement with the representative plaintiffs, counsel fees may be calculated at 30 per cent of any amounts recovered,"said the department's website.

"If a settlement, judgment, voluntary payment or execution or other benefit is obtained, the lawyers will apply to court for approval of a fee that is consistent with the terms of this agreement, or some lesser amount. The court will decide what amount is fair." ....
The Canadian Press, 13 Aug 12
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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #251 on: September 23, 2012, 11:11:22 »
How much did the Manuge case cost the Government (legal costs)?

$750,462.74, from a Sessional Paper filed in the House of Commons last week - shared for personal information/research only.
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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #252 on: September 23, 2012, 21:26:01 »
The next lawsuit regarding the NVA will be fired up here shortly. I HOPE to see the govt not fighting this one tooth and nail.

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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #253 on: September 23, 2012, 21:52:53 »
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The next lawsuit regarding the NVA will be fired up here shortly. I HOPE to see the govt not fighting this one tooth and nail.


Would you be referring to the NVC.?

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« Reply #254 on: September 23, 2012, 21:54:33 »

Would you be referring to the NVC.?

Sorry yes the NVC.

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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #255 on: September 23, 2012, 21:56:28 »
Just makin' sure.!       :salute:

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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #256 on: October 01, 2012, 20:56:37 »
Meanwhile ....
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Compensating disabled veterans for the clawback of their military pensions could cost more than expected because the federal government is now considering retroactive payments going back almost four decades.

Internal government estimates have suggested the settlement could run to $600 million, a figure that may turn out to be low.

Late last week, lawyers representing ex-soldiers revealed that federal negotiators were still crunching numbers for the total compensation package and it was being “complicated by the fact the proposed amounts may go back to the start of the offset in 1976,” according to a letter obtained by The Canadian Press.

One of the veterans affected by the lawsuit said the federal government has only itself to blame.

“I can’t see it going to $1 billion, but if it does, the government was really stupid to let this go as long as it did over 40 years,” said Ron Cundell, a former sergeant and disabled veteran living near Barrie, Ont ....
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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #257 on: October 03, 2012, 18:40:32 »
I believe this will be the next big case - more recently knonw as Bill C-215

http://openparliament.ca/bills/41-1/C-215/ 
http://openparliament.ca/bills/41-1/C-215/?page=2

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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #258 on: October 09, 2012, 16:14:38 »
Wonder how "important" it'll be....
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Valcartier, QC — The Honourable Steven Blaney, Minister of Veterans Affairs, will make an important announcement about financial benefits for Veterans.

Location: Valcartier Garrison
100 rue Dubé, Courcelette, Québec

Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Time: 10:00 a.m.

Parliamentary Secretary Eve Adams will also make an important announcement about financial benefits for Veterans.

Location: Cartier Square Drill Hall
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Ottawa, Ontario

Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Time: 10:00 a.m. ....
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Will shift into existing thread - if it fits better - once we hear more.
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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #259 on: October 09, 2012, 16:17:15 »
Free T-Shirts and a Hoodie for any injuries? *fingers crossed*
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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #260 on: October 09, 2012, 19:44:22 »
Another claim to remove red tape probably...

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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #261 on: October 09, 2012, 21:25:48 »
Another claim to remove red tape probably...
Maybe, maybe not - they're using the phrase "financial benefits" in this media advisory. 

The last time VAC previewed a "less red tape" announcement, it mentioned "the improvement of service for Veterans" in the media advisory.
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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #262 on: October 09, 2012, 21:54:53 »
Hopefully its good news as my application is in PEI as we speak

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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #263 on: October 10, 2012, 10:55:14 »
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/department/press/viewrelease/1578

The Honourable Steven Blaney, Minister of Veterans Affairs, and Eve Adams, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Veterans Affairs, announced today that effective immediately, the Government of Canada will deliver increased benefits to Canadian Forces Veterans. This will be accomplished by ending the deduction of Veterans’ disability pensions when calculating their Earnings Loss and Canadian Forces Income Support benefits.

“We have worked quickly to make changes to Veterans’ benefits to put more money in the pockets of Veterans and their families, including some who haven’t been receiving these benefits until now,” said Minister Blaney. “We are also working quickly to make the necessary changes to the War Veterans Allowance Act so a disability pension will no longer be considered when calculating the War Veterans Allowance benefit.”

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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #264 on: October 10, 2012, 11:02:18 »
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/department/press/viewrelease/1578

The Honourable Steven Blaney, Minister of Veterans Affairs, and Eve Adams, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Veterans Affairs, announced today that effective immediately, the Government of Canada will deliver increased benefits to Canadian Forces Veterans. This will be accomplished by ending the deduction of Veterans’ disability pensions when calculating their Earnings Loss and Canadian Forces Income Support benefits.

“We have worked quickly to make changes to Veterans’ benefits to put more money in the pockets of Veterans and their families, including some who haven’t been receiving these benefits until now,” said Minister Blaney. “We are also working quickly to make the necessary changes to the War Veterans Allowance Act so a disability pension will no longer be considered when calculating the War Veterans Allowance benefit.”

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.... Earnings Loss Benefit and Canadians Forces Income Support Benefit recipients who are also in receipt of a disability pension from Veterans Affairs Canada may see a significant increase in their payment in the coming weeks. All affected recipients will be notified in writing with details of the recalculation and change to their payment ....
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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #265 on: October 10, 2012, 11:06:34 »
Unless I missed something, I wonder if the Gov't who wants to "put more money in the Veterans pockets" will soak up the legal costs of the recent SISIP Class Action Suit.?

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« Reply #266 on: October 10, 2012, 12:35:31 »
So wait, no T-shirts or Hoodies?

*Sounds* like good news overall.
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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #267 on: October 10, 2012, 15:12:24 »
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Veterans Affairs is ending clawbacks for two more types of income support benefits, in the wake of last spring's federal court decision that said the federal government shouldn't be deducting from veterans' long-term disability benefits when they also receive a disability pension.

Veterans Affairs Minister Steven Blaney announced Wednesday that effective immediately, veterans will no longer have the amount of their earnings loss benefit and their Canadian Forces Income Support benefit reduced because they're also receiving a disability pension.

Blaney told reporters that the government is going "even farther than what the court required," saying the Harper government had "no obligation" to make today's move but it is committed to "harmonizing" its system and ending deductions for complentary programs.

The changes will cost the government $177.7 million over the next five years and are expected to affect an estimated 2,500 veterans and families.

Blaney also said the government is working to change legislation so the war veterans allowance won't be clawed back in the future.

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Veterans have been complaining about the clawback of various benefits since a new Veterans Charter was introduced in 2006.

A group of veterans won a class action lawsuit in Federal Court last May, arguing that it was unfair to reduce long-term disability benefits by the amount of the monthly Veterans Affairs disability pension.

When MacKay and Blaney said they would not appeal the decision, they said they would move to make changes to other benefits not directly involved in the court decision so they weren't clawed back either.

A government-appointed negotiator, Stephen Toope, the president of the University of British Columbia, is working with lawyers representing the 4,500 veterans on a settlement for the class action lawsuit.

The settlement could run as high as $600 million, depending on the cut-off date negotiated.

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It's not clear whether Wednesday's changes will also be made retroactive. For now, revised monthly payments will start in November, and additional cheques will be issued to make up for the clawback in October ....

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Canada’s Department of Veterans Affairs has ended its long-standing, controversial policy of clawing back the benefit payments of disabled soldiers, sailors and aircrew — a move critics say has been far too long in coming.

Effective immediately, the Harper government will no longer deduct the amount of a veteran’s pension from benefits for lost earnings and Canadian Forces income support, which were introduced in 2006 under the New Veterans Charter.

Veterans Affairs Minister Steven Blaney made the announcement Wednesday at a news conference at Valcartier Garrison, outside Quebec City.

“We have worked quickly to make these changes to put more money in the pockets of veterans and their families, including some who haven’t been receiving these benefits until now,” Mr. Blaney said.

The move is a consequence of last spring’s Federal Court ruling, which rejected the clawback of disability benefits from eligible veterans in a case waged against the Department of National Defence.

Back in July, Defence Minister Peter MacKay ended the deduction for most disabled soldiers, but it took a special cabinet order passed just recently to get the measure enacted for those affected under the veterans affairs system.

Ending the clawback immediately will cost the federal treasury $177.7-million over the next five years.

Depending upon the severity of the injury and whether they receive the earnings loss or the income support benefit, the change could mean between $1,100 and $1,500 per month to individual veterans ....

And with this, stand by for a merge back to the SISIP thread....
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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #268 on: October 10, 2012, 17:29:23 »
OTTAWA - Canada's Department of Veterans Affairs has ended its long-standing, controversial policy of clawing back the benefit payments of disabled soldiers, sailors and aircrew — a move critics say has been far too long in coming.

Effective immediately, the Harper government will no longer deduct the amount of a veteran's pension from benefits for lost earnings and Canadian Forces income support, which were introduced in 2006 under the New Veterans Charter.

Veterans Affairs Minister Steven Blaney made the announcement Wednesday at a news conference at Valcartier Garrison, outside Quebec City.

"We have worked quickly to make these changes to put more money in the pockets of veterans and their families, including some who haven't been receiving these benefits until now," Blaney said.

The move is a consequence of last spring's Federal Court ruling, which rejected the clawback of disability benefits from eligible veterans in a case waged against the Department of National Defence.

Back in July, Defence Minister Peter MacKay ended the deduction for most disabled soldiers, but it took a special cabinet order passed just recently to get the measure enacted for those affected under the veterans affairs system.

Ending the clawback immediately will cost the federal treasury $177.7 million over the next five years.

Depending upon the severity of the injury and whether they receive the earnings loss or the income support benefit, the change could mean between $1,100 and $1,500 per month to individual veterans.

More changes are on the way, affecting those veterans who entered the system prior to the introduction of the updated veterans charter.

"We are also working quickly to make the necessary legislative changes to the War Veterans Allowance Act so a disability pension will no longer be considered when calculating the War Veterans Allowance benefit," Blaney said.

New Democrat veterans critic Peter Stoffer said he was pleased with the decision, but irritated by the government's blatant politicking — including the claim it has "worked quickly" to help affected veterans.

The Conservative government could have implemented Wednesday's changes years ago, Stoffer said.

"It's hard to criticize them when they do the right thing, but these problems have been around a lot longer than the current government and it is something they should have done when they came to office," he said.

"They're not doing this out of the goodness of their heart. They're doing it because a judge ordered them to."

The changes announced Wednesday are separate from ongoing negotiations meant to establish retroactive compensation for disabled military veterans, many of whom have had their pensions deducted since 1976.

Some internal government estimates suggest that settlement could run as high as $600 million, depending upon the cut-off date established through negotiations involving lawyers for 4,500 veterans who launched a class-action lawsuit and federal negotiators led by Stephen Toope, the president of the University of British Columbia.

Veterans affairs officials, speaking on background, said the issue of retroactivity as it relates to Wednesday's announcement will be dealt with "at another point down the road."

Going forward, the veterans department will increase monthly payments starting in November, but issue cheques to make up for the deduction in October.

Groups representing ex-military members, including the Canadian Peacekeepers Association and the Royal Canadian Legion, are generally pleased with the decision.

But the question of money still owing looms large.

"All that is left for Minister Blaney to do is address the retroactive money owed to these veterans back to 2006, when the (New Veterans Charter) was enacted by Parliament," said Ron Cundell, a former sergeant and disabled veteran who runs the website veteranvoice.info.

Wednesday's announcement will have a major impact on modern-day soldiers, Cundell said.

"The Afghan vets who were severely injured and are unable to work will now be able to live a more financially comfortable life."

Stoffer called on the government to settle a separate lawsuit launched by members of the RCMP who've also had their disability pensions clawed back.

The government should also halt deductions for all federal employees whose Canada Pension Plan disability benefits are deducted dollar-for-dollar from their superannuation payments, he added.

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Ottawa+ends+clawback+veterans+affairs+pensions+after+Federal/7368500/story.html#ixzz28vysc0tT
               

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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #269 on: October 10, 2012, 17:44:51 »
About damn time. Now they just need to stop taxing military pensions.

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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #270 on: October 10, 2012, 18:01:33 »
IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR ZERO SUM CLIENTS

Peter Driscoll October 9, 2012

VVi 9 Oct 2012 db

Class Members:

We understand there has been confusion with respect to the commencement of the processing of “zero sum” claims on October 9th by Manulife Financial on behalf of SISIP. We have just received the following from the Department of Justice confirming what steps will be taken, beginning today,
to process “zero sum” member benefits:

“Beginning today, October 9, 2012 Manulife Financial has started the processing for qualifying "zero sum" class members (those members of the Class who received nothing from SISIP LTD due to the deduction of their VAC disability payments).

We require that you provide your current contact information so that we can send you an information package requesting a status update on your medical condition and financial circumstances since your file was closed with Manulife Financial.”

What this means is that SISIP/Manulife is “open for business” for “zero sum” members whose file has been closed. As you can imagine, some class member files are more complete than others. Some members may not have been in contact with SISIP/Manulife for some time, and some may be in regular contact and have up to date information on file. What is being required from members above is what is required under the terms of the SISIP LTD policy. If you have an “open file” with SISIP/Manulife your case manager may be able to assist you.

Manulife may be contacted by using toll free 1-855-370-0025.

Please keep in mind this is just the initial manner in which we are attempting to get benefits into the hands of zero sum class members. As outlined in the memorandum concerning the negotiations, we are still in the process of finalizing proxies (such as a determination of total and permanent disability under CPP, for example) and an independent adjudication process as ways members can qualify for benefits outside of the normal process required under the SISIP LTD Policy. We will update you further as soon as we are able.
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Re: SISIP LTD 2002 - 2018
« Reply #271 on: October 10, 2012, 18:04:11 »
About damn time. Now they just need to stop taxing military pensions.

How do you figure that? We already have one of the best pension plans to be found anywhere in the country, derived from a pretty damned decent salary and benefits. Why should we not continue to pay tax on income after retirement?
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« Reply #272 on: October 10, 2012, 18:10:39 »
How do you figure that? We already have one of the best pension plans to be found anywhere in the country, derived from a pretty damned decent salary and benefits. Why should we not continue to pay tax on income after retirement?

I always thought that taxing the pension of Veterans was wrong. That's all. For the 20-25 years of selfless service and unlimited liability to your country that is required to qualify for a full pension, it just seems wrong for the government to continue to scrape money out of Veterans.

One could go work for CATSA for 30 years by sitting on their rump and walk out with larger pension payments than the CF, but I'm not in it for the money.

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« Reply #273 on: October 10, 2012, 18:18:19 »
I always thought that taxing the pension of Veterans was wrong. That's all. For the 20-25 years of selfless service and unlimited liability to your country that is required to qualify for a full pension, it just seems wrong for the government to continue to scrape money out of Veterans.

One could go work for CATSA for 30 years by sitting on my rump and walk out with larger pension payments than the CF, but I'm not in it for the money.

Unlimited liability and physical hardship (relatively little of either of which most military members actually ever face) are accounted for by the 'military factor' applied in deriving our salaries from the public service. We're already paid very good salaries to account for this. We're well comped for our 'selfless service'. There's no reason for us not to face the same tax burden as the rest of Canadians; we aren't particularly special.

We get a lot out of our country, we make a very good income serving it, and we in turn pay back in proportionately.
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« Reply #274 on: October 10, 2012, 18:19:26 »
Unlimited liability and physical hardship (relatively little of either of which most military members actually ever face) are accounted for by the 'military factor' applied in deriving our salaries from the public service. We're already paid very good salaries to account for this. We're well comped for our 'selfless service'. There's no reason for us not to face the same tax burden as the rest of Canadians; we aren't particularly special.

We get a lot out of our country, we make a very good income serving it, and we in turn pay back in proportionately.

And thus, my perspective has changed. Thanks, Brihard