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Re: Why doesn't Canada have Royal Canadian Marines?
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2005, 14:02:12 »
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And the sub? the cre of the chicoutimi said they wouldint want to go back in those subs
and which ones have you been talking to? I count quite a few submariners as my closest friends including Lt(N) Chris Saunders and all but 2 from the Chitcoutimi have said they would not go back. Unless you know for certain don't make generalizations bnecause it is clear to all here you have no clue. Inch and Aesop are SeaKing crewmembers so slow down and read what they have posted. They know their aircraft you sure as hell do not.
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Re: Why doesn't Canada have Royal Canadian Marines?
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2005, 14:07:34 »
Agamemnon (or should it be acelethal, via Google)

We have seen 41 years of service from the Seaking fleet, and 10 deaths.

Do you have statistics for other helicopter fleets, civilian or military, for comparison based on numbers of aircraft, years of service, and total flying hours? On what basis do you expect agreement that this is an unacceptably high toll, regrettable as any such loss of human life may be. Has the toll of deaths and injury even increased in direct proportion to the age of the fleet? The Seaking pilots and technicians I have know always had confidence in the aircraft and their own skills to fly them where they are needed. It would appear that none of the reference excerpts you chose to quote offer a selection of their views, perhaps because they might contradict the very journalistic spin you are promoting.

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Re: Why doesn't Canada have Royal Canadian Marines?
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2005, 14:12:27 »
( the acelethal thing was for my 14 year old cousin he has a habbit of joining bizarre websites with other peopels emails...in this case mine...)

OH if i am proved wrong i will apoligize* but SHOW ME A REFRENCE...for the last 2 pages ive been tagued team with no proof!!

ok so those 2 pilotes feel safe with the seakings...show me written proof.the is all hear-say.


i have given sources,refrences.(2 of em i could get more) and you all say "oh hes not right" show me your proof!!!!


i f you are right i will apoligize and shut my mouth...but...show me the proof.


oh and i loved the making a thread for this...action...but it only makes it look like the hole staff that are in principle stop quarrels...are all jumping 1 guy.and they keep giving low blows like my spellign when i'm french...my origins in the other thread... :salute:
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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2005, 14:23:13 »
Well dude the thing you have to learn here is when someone here that we know gives an opinion on a piece of equipment whether good or bad the rest of us usually respect that opinion because their credentials have usually been established. So what Inch says about helos is good enough for me. What George Wallace says about tanks is good enough for me and I assume what I say about ships is good enough for them. You feel you were tagged teamed well that just sucks for you as you went off on a tangent without listening to what the subject matter experts here have told you. If you don't like it you can always leave or you can learn to play nice and learn something that people here try and tell you. Your choice.
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Re: Why doesn't Canada have Royal Canadian Marines?
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2005, 14:23:55 »

ok so those 2 pilotes feel safe with the seakings...show me written proof.the is all hear-say.
i have given sources,refrences.(2 of em i could get more) and you all say "oh hes not right" show me your proof!!!!


I'll type this slowly so you can (hopefully) understand.  Hearsay?  Your "proof" is from CBC articles.  As Michael OLeary pointed out, 10 deaths in 41 years while tragic, is not a lot.  How many CF members in the last 41 years have died wearing combat fatigues?  Are you going to claim those are unsafe as well?   ::) 

Until you are going to start listening to what people here are actually telling you, there's no point in continuing these conversations.  Perhaps once you have completed high school you might be a bit better off.  Law School?  Please.

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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2005, 14:24:57 »
Agamemnon,
I split it because the "other" thread was about "Canadian Marines" not the Sea-Kings worthiness.
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Re: Why doesn't Canada have Royal Canadian Marines?
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2005, 14:27:25 »
( the acelethal thing was for my 14 year old cousin he has a habbit of joining bizarre websites with other peopels emails...in this case mine...)

OH if i am proved wrong i will apoligize* but SHOW ME A REFRENCE...for the last 2 pages ive been tagued team with no proof!!

ok so those 2 pilotes feel safe with the seakings...show me written proof.the is all hear-say.


i have given sources,refrences.(2 of em i could get more) and you all say "oh hes not right" show me your proof!!!!


if you are right i will apoligize and shut my mouth...but...show me the proof

I will let inch take care of your case because he is in the front sea of sea kings at the moment.   But as an AESOP who is just about to go to a sea king sqn i will tell you this:   What you read in the media is sualy very biases and far from the truth.   We have collectively tried to explain to you that the sea king isn't the flying death trap that you and the media make it out to be.   I'm quite sure that Inch's word should have been enough to shut you up ( after all he IS a CH-124 pilot..... ::) ) but id it wasn't enough, i'm sure that the fact that i have no problems with the fact that i will be flying them should have added enough to his EXPERIENCED words to shut you up.   Unlike you we are not quoting something we have read and made it our opinion........our opinion comes from the fact that we are the guys doing the job with the equipement and we KNOW........Unless you are an AESOP, Pilot or TACCO....you should stay in your lane. And as far as your education comments go..i joined the CF right after high school and never looked back........i have since went back to school and i resent your implication...

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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2005, 14:31:33 »
Wow...amazing...
ok you all are right i'm wrong...the hole media is wrong...


torlyn your out of line...because my english skills and my debating skills in english arent as good as yours does not give your the right to insult me. Come to the french forum and debate with me...so i can laugh at you...because the post ive seen the staff post there are horribly written...and impossible to understand yet you understand my english.

actualy i wil lgo start this thread over there.and wait.

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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2005, 14:33:06 »
Wow...amazing...
ok you all are right i'm wrong...the hole media is wrong...


torlyn your out of line...because my english skills and my debating skills in english arent as good as yours does not give your the right to insult me. Come to the french forum and debate with me...so i can laugh at you...because the post ive seen the staff post there are horribly written...and impossible to understand yet you understand my english.

actualy i wil lgo start this thread over there.and wait.

Well since i am french i will gladly follow you there and debate this..........a la prochaine....

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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2005, 14:35:16 »
encore mieux!  ;D

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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2005, 14:35:56 »
Je pence que je va aussi..........Oh, and I thought Jungle's warning to you over there was just fine.
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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2005, 14:37:50 »
And as i mentioned in the french bored i didn't want to insult the pilots...i got into the debate...but i hope i have not insulted you all in anyways i hope to continue the debate in french.

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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2005, 14:38:57 »
You will be told you are as out to lunch in the French forums as you are in the English forums so whats the difference?
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« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2005, 14:41:52 »
well once that happens i will apoligize...but i find it wrong to keep insulting someone that is debating in another language then hes own...



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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2005, 14:49:09 »
Unfuckingbelievable. You want written proof? Are you reading my posts? SHAZAM! Written proof is what you are reading. I fly the machines, they are not the death traps those clowns in the media are making them out to be. They are old and need to be replaced, but that's the same with any piece of kit that's outdated and 41 years old.

As for the safety record of them and the tragic loss of 10 personnel, let's look at some numbers. The Lab crash in 98 killed all 6 on board, in one crash. 10 fatalities over 41 years? That's pretty bloody good if you ask me. Also, we have 28 remaining Sea Kings, each has on average 12,000hrs on the airframes for a total fleet time of 336,000hrs. At 10 fatalities, you're averaging one fatality every 33,600hrs, I know I'll never get that much flying time in my life so the odds of a safe career are in my favour.

But all this aside, I think you're an idiot and not worth the continued arguments. You believe what you want sitting on your couch, and I'll know the truth sitting in my Mighty Sea King.

Oh and for the record, "flying coffins" "geriatric" "venerable" "antique", those are media terms, none of which are used by Sea King crews or technicians. I have absolute faith in my helicopter and the technicians that maintain it as well as the 2 guys sitting behind me and the guy sitting beside me.

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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2005, 14:49:26 »
well once that happens i will apoligize...but i find it wrong to keep insulting someone that is debating in another language then hes own...

If thats the case why would you come to an English Forum and basically tell people they know what they are talking about that they are wrong. Sorry you lost that defence.
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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2005, 14:51:23 »
Agamemnon, you seem terribly hung up on this language issue, when I thought you were trying to present points on the Seaking fleet.

Unfortunately, you have provided little more than a few Googled excepts from the news, while upholding them as undisputable truth (which I would expect someone of your claimed education wouldn't do for everything the news decides to print). Those reports demonstrate little more than the reporters' ability to look up "old" in a Thesaurus. We can debate the relative safety of the Seaking fleet, or we can just let this threads run downhill as the one where you got beat up and chased away. Reasoned debate is welcome, the inability to perceive alternate views than one's own, especially from those who may have actual experience, is not.

Feel free to debate in the French forum with the few who are comfortable in that language, perhaps there you will find that the opinions offered to you are not simply given to contradict you personally.


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« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2005, 14:57:56 »
The language factor was pointed  to tyr wtv that person's handle is..

I waited in the french forum...only 1 staff member posted...


inch calm down...you know what are the political consequences to that humiliating and tragic seaking accident??

you mentioned the 10 deaths as being low what about the 111 wounded...look i admit i was out of line...but when i mwas talking about pwriten proof i didnt mean your post i mean an article,book something...


off to install my tv.

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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2005, 15:04:05 »

off to install my tv.


I hope it has french instructions.  Oh, and nice rebuttal.

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« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2005, 15:05:38 »
at least i can read french and afford it. ::) ;D

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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2005, 15:07:36 »
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I waited in the french forum...only 1 staff member posted...

Why would I post in a forum where I don't understand the language. I am aware of my limitations and what I know. Can you say the same?
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« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2005, 15:09:24 »
well you can understand me?
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and as for the hole debate i thank you all and i apoligize you were right.explanation in french forum




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Re: Royal Canadian Marines?- The Sea King Spin-off- Hold on Tight
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2005, 15:13:40 »
This thread has been "entertaining" to say the least, but I think Inch and Aesop summed it up nicely and for those who can afford it  ::)there is a thread open in the French forums on this.
Move on folks, nothing to see here.
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« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2005, 15:15:30 »
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well you can understand me?
I was referring to your french posts.  ::)
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