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Re: Sig Ops?
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2005, 15:58:51 »
Yet LCIS was phased out of the reserves. Only sigs and linemen remain now.

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Re: Sig Ops?
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2005, 17:17:32 »
  HAHAHA, Carey, I beg to differ, the rest of the units in 72 comm grp are below par from any in 74 comm grp!  Must be all the imbreeding, lol, jk. 
  As for the res LCIS techs, they have in fact been phased out of the reserves, and for a relatively good reason.  I know at least at my unit we had 1, and sure he fixed a lot of the little things that went wrong with equippment, but for anything big that went wrong, stuff would have to go to Edmonton anyway.  Because there was only one, there was no feasible training schedual for him and thus useless to have around.  Maybe it worked for other units....but out here we just get the run around come ATI time anyway.
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Re: Sig Ops?
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2005, 17:30:56 »
Wrong lads.  There are reserve 291ers now, in fact, last i heard is that all the former Sig Ops at Res EW were made reserve 291ers now.  It's still getting hashed out right now on how we'll have reserve 291ers.  About them being in Vancouver, doubtful, you will not see 291ers attached to the Comm Sqns, we do a completely different job that all the other sigs types.  Reserve 291ers will be employed in Leitrim of course, but I can't see either of the coasts or our other postings getting any.  The two main issues with having Res 291 is that our 3's usually take a year or more, and you require your clearance before completing your crse, this can take up to a year or more also. 
I think the Res 291 world will be divided into an EW side of the house and a SIGINT side.

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Re: Sig Ops?
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2005, 12:49:10 »
291er:  How can you Occupationally transferred into a trade that doesn't exist as yet (ie.  have formal courses)?  It's coming, but only CFSTG/CFSCE can grant equivs.   As for where a R291er would work, hey when you're in the secret squirrel world, anywhere that has a large population is fair game, like Vancouver.- ie Sikhs blowing up airlines.  The trg will take time, but the ex-Reg F R291ers will make out pretty well with this, in that they won't get deployed and the only downside is that they would make 85% of the Reg F salary.   

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Re: Sig Ops?
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2005, 17:46:19 »
Rushrules:
Most of the R291ers are going to be ex Regs at this point, but eventually there will be the infrastructure in place to do this.
As for having 291ers in all the major cities, no chance, unless they do EW.  FYI, though the city may have an ethnically diverse population, does'nt give us the right to listen to them.  Read our trade description, we deal with FOREIGN communications, domestic comms are a no-fly zone and illegal.  Plus imagine the amount of money we'd have to spend setting up sites across Canada.....when we could easily do the same thing from Ottawa.

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Re: Sig Ops?
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2005, 13:42:12 »
I'll find out more about this when I get out of this place I'm in now, and back to my home unit, but from what I've heard recently, we're supposed to be moving away from recruiting LCIS techs and starting to recruit for reserve comm research positions, even in the non-EW units of the comm reserve.   I don't personally think that makes all that much sense, but as you can imagine, I was not consulted in the decision making process.
The branch Col and CWO told us that the reserves will not recruit anymore LCIS techs and that a new reserve R291 moc has been OKed by Ottawa and will start to become a recruiting priority for reservists in Kingston.
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Re: Sig Ops?
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2005, 13:46:01 »
I am a newly posted signalman at CFJSR....EW is for the Comms Rsch guys.

The whole regmnt is on SQ courses right now atually...

Is there anything you wanted to know in particular?
I am posted to 3 sqn and I was on PDT training not an SQ as I have been qualified for ohh, 18 yrs.  What sqn are you in?  If you don't want to tell me on this forum, let me know via a PM.
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Re: Sig Ops?
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2005, 17:34:14 »
Check the date of that post about the SQ.   It was last summer, I know because I taught on it!  
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Re: Sig Ops?
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2005, 21:58:56 »
Check the date of that post about the SQ.   It was last summer, I know because I taught on it!  
...Just busting your b@lls, it's Ian.   Things in Pet are good, do you miss it yet?   How are you enjoying RDS (Relaxed Deployment Squadron)?  
hey Ian, lol,

I wish I was working there and living here.  I have dagged so many times in the last 5 mos my head is spinning yet no deployment.

So like the 5 mos of exercises. lol

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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2007, 03:38:53 »
i was wondering, after completing basic training then there is SQ whats after for SigOp...and how long does it take to complete the course and get posted?

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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2007, 08:07:49 »
After Basic Training (13 Weeks) SQ (4 Weeks) you have your Sig Op QL3 which is aprox 6 Months, Once you complete that you are posted to a unit. (afterwards I have no idea what the 'normal' progression is, I'm far from normal  ::) )
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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2007, 08:25:28 »
You also have to do LSVW Driver wheel before going on your QL3.

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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2007, 08:32:08 »
Actually its no longer a Hard requirment, as with SQ. It has to be completed some time, but no longer before your QL3 (and I'm speaking from experence of sending people on their 3's without either course)
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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2007, 12:36:25 »
You also have to do LSVW Driver wheel before going on your QL3.

Here at the Regt, we run a couple of Dvr Wheel Crses a year and most of the pers on it are Sig Ops already done QL3, and in some cases QL5.
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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2007, 12:57:36 »
Wow, things have changed since I went through. The two Pre Reqs before going on your QL3 was SQ and LSVW.  I know a few people who didn't get SQ before going on course, but I dunno how common it is or what the circumstances were. But not having LS Dvr Whl I'm surprised at.

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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2007, 13:37:35 »
But not having LS Dvr Whl I'm surprised at.

I've seen it. Some had waivers, and got on course. Sucks when it comes to the field portion, though, and you base your Shifts on making sure the 1 driver gets his 8 hourse of sleep....
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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2007, 21:58:20 »
I'm a reservist and I was told by my MWO that the LSVW driver wheel course is required before going on my 3s. So they put me on the course.

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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2007, 18:48:17 »
I'm a reservist and I was told by my MWO that the LSVW driver wheel course is required before going on my 3s. So they put me on the course.

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Yes, you are supposed to have LS to go on your 3's. You are also supposed to have your Lvl 3. But what happens, is that they'll give a waiver to the requirement.
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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2007, 13:29:33 »
This is a big issue that I complain about every time I get tasked to the school.  The last time I was there I had 8 dets in the field and a total of 9 qualified drivers to split between them, and this was on a QL5 course.  If 2 of my drivers had gotten sick, gone home or whatever we would have been in trouble.  It was also a significant issue because of the requirement to get adequate rest for drivers- if 1 guy is doing all the driving then he's the only one that needs to get any sleep, and the rest of the guys end up working non-stop to accomodate him.  The requirement for 404's exists for a reason and it isn't neccessarily correct to say that a waiver will be granted: it may be, if the school thinks they can get away with it.  When my guys start talking about the possibility of getting waivers to go on their courses I tell them that they're putting the school in a difficult position by even asking, and that if they have to ask for a waiver then they shouldn't count on being allowed to go.

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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2007, 14:52:17 »
This is a big issue that I complain about every time I get tasked to the school.  The last time I was there I had 8 dets in the field and a total of 9 qualified drivers to split between them, and this was on a QL5 course.  If 2 of my drivers had gotten sick, gone home or whatever we would have been in trouble.  It was also a significant issue because of the requirement to get adequate rest for drivers- if 1 guy is doing all the driving then he's the only one that needs to get any sleep, and the rest of the guys end up working non-stop to accommodate him.  The requirement for 404's exists for a reason and it isn't necessarily correct to say that a waiver will be granted: it may be, if the school thinks they can get away with it.  When my guys start talking about the possibility of getting waivers to go on their courses I tell them that they're putting the school in a difficult position by even asking, and that if they have to ask for a waiver then they shouldn't count on being allowed to go.

I second that, totally.

This is exactly what happened to me... except I was on my QL5 course. And in the school's infinite wisdom they combined the QL3 and QL5 course for the final field EX. I was supposed to be the det commander but none of by QL3 crew had their 404's for LSVW, so I was also the driver. I'm sure every sig-op knows CFSCE's strict adherence to doing everything by the book (ie wearing goggles while pounding in tent pegs  ::) ) so naturally I HAD to get 8 hours of sleep and log it, or get charged (And they were checking). By all accounts I should have been the one working the most shifts and giving my boys time to relax but instead they had to be up all-night without mentorship (staff didn't do the runthroughs the week before on the QL3 course). Naturally, if you don't know what you are supposed to do at night, 'sh!t starts to roll down hill' when the instructors come by. My 8 hrs became more like 5 with a MCpl for an alarm clock. "Why isn't your cam draped?", "Why are your troops asleep in the cab?", "Why are your logs not filled out?", "Why did your troops eat in the cab!" etc... Of course it was their mistake my fault, and now I had to go over there and yell at them. While I was mad as hell at their performance I knew their intentions were not malicious -- they simply did not know why they had to do the tasks I had assigned to them the night before.  I'm of the school of thought that a good mentor is with his troops participating and explaining the actions before giving responsibility over to them. Just telling them what to do is poor leadership in my books, and will teach them nothing.

By day three I was bagged and even thought of quiting, but to the tremendous commendment of my boys, they caught on fast and we went from one of the slowest det set-up times to one of the fastest. A testament to teamwork and how much of a numpty I would be without the support of others. One in particular was a freaking machine, he pounded the vixam mast into solid rock (the pegs are still there  ;D

I did my best to go through the rounds and setup stages with my QL3 det members, and prepare them for their tests, while at least maintaining a minimum standard for my own responsibilities. But the fact that I had to be the driver and get the mandatory 8 hrs of sleep was a HUGE impedance on our performance and prevented me from properly overseeing the det.
That's why you should do your best to get 404s BEFORE your QL3s. Otherwise you're only screwing yourself, others, and will turn your det commander into nervous wreck -- unable to sleep at night knowing he needn't bother with an alarm clock.


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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #45 on: November 04, 2007, 02:18:17 »
I've never agreed with letting troops onto their QL3 without a LSVW drivers course. Even on the reserve end, the time is there to get the course done, and if people are dedicated to give up their weekends for 2 months to get driving time, why should we bend over backwards to accomidate them for summer employment?

CRC, your staff definately did no planning when they organized the detachments in that way, unless there were just so many with waivers (which I could believe).

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« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2007, 10:54:02 »
CRC, your staff definately did no planning when they organized the detachments in that way, unless there were just so many with waivers (which I could believe).

Yes there were too many QL3's without their 404s (we had a 22 Rad-Van convoy!). I don't blame the staff. I blame CFSCE  ;D
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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2007, 10:58:31 »
Yes there were too many QL3's without their 404s (we had a 22 Rad-Van convoy!). I don't blame the staff. I blame CFSCE  ;D

Not all the blame should be thrown at CFSCE. A big part of it is a) CoC not ensuring that training requirements are filled. B) Ops and Training staff knowing that training requirements aren't filled, and still nominating pers, and C) CoC willing to fill out waivers left and right.

On the CFSCE end...No 404s? No course.
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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2007, 11:12:49 »
Considering were short and undermanned, its better to send these members on course without 404's than have then wait in pat platoon for who knows how long. Theres no point for any soldier to be wasting away in pat platoon while theres room for them to be training. Ofcourse an effort should be made to load them on an LSVW course. Its only a small hardship to endure (a week in the field!) while on a QL3 compared to what else they will face in thier careers.

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Re: Signal Operators?
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2007, 17:02:56 »
Considering were short and undermanned, its better to send these members on course without 404's than have then wait in pat platoon for who knows how long. Theres no point for any soldier to be wasting away in pat platoon while theres room for them to be training. Ofcourse an effort should be made to load them on an LSVW course. Its only a small hardship to endure (a week in the field!) while on a QL3 compared to what else they will face in thier careers.

The problem is that then you get the pers sent directly to a unit from their 3's, without their 404's, it becomes a burden on the unit to organise training that these people should have already had. Especially if that member gets tasked into a, say, drivers position.

If it's such a huge problem, then add driver wheeled to the 3's course.
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