Author Topic: MARS Officer- Merged Thread  (Read 25953 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline armychick2009

  • Member
  • ****
  • 6,400
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 213
Re: No more MARS recruitment this year?
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2009, 09:15:51 »
George, this was last Thursday or Friday. They said there were a lot of positions open... but, maybe their information was a bit on the older side? I can't picture "lots" of positions getting filled in a week though. They've been bringing this up since March when I first started to show an interest in joining.

Offline gcclarke

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • 26,170
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 795
Re: No more MARS recruitment this year?
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2009, 09:52:12 »
Go engineer. It's much better. Sure, you won't ever be the captain of a ship, but then again, neither will the majority of MARS officers. In the meantime, engineers don't eat their young, MARS bars do.

We had a fellow on our NOAB who had originally been slated to be a CSE. At the NOAB, he was enticed by the prospect of "Command", and all that jazz. Fast forward 5 years, and he should just be starting his CSE apps course, having OT'd after having been caught by the MARS training's notorious failure rate. Unfortunately for him, this little detour means that he won't be making Lt(N) until a good 3.5 - 4 years after he would have had he stuck with his original plan.

It's just a better work environment for engineers. Less blading, less berating, etc. The manner in which I've seen some MARS D-Level qualified MARS officer interacting with Subbies on ship is about the same as I'd expect an Engineering Commander. There is, from what I've seen, a great deal more, well I guess you'd call it camaraderie, amongst the Naval Engineers than amongst their MARS brethren.

Part of this, I believe, is due to the fact that there's not nearly as much competition for positions amongst engineers. Almost everyone will eventually get their HOD tour. Once that's out of the way, there's more than enough jobs to go around ashore. As opposed to having to fight for the XO and CO positions, assuming of course that you're lucky enough to get a spot on the Ops Room Officer (ORO) course. It's a matter of ratios. On ship, amongst the engineers, per department, you'll have 1 HOD, 1 AHOD, and 1-2 Trainees. Pretty much everyone gets their chance for all of those positions. As opposed to the combat department, with 1 CO, 1 XO, 2-3 OROs, 4-5 D-levels, and gaggle of Bridge Watch Keepers (BWKs). Getting to the next rung gets progressively harder and harder.

And if you're wondering, I'm a CSE, with a Mechanical Engineering degree, who had originally joined up as an MSE. Only joined up as that because the person at the CFRC had given me the impression that with my degree I could only be a MSE. Switched during basic training.

Oh, and PMedMoe was likely correct about the cause of MARS being filled. The reason that MARS has a shortage of personnel isn't due to recruitment problems. It's due to a high level of training failures and VRs. Getting people in the door is one thing, getting them out as a qualified Bridge Watch Keeper is another.
"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.  Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘Press On’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
- Calvin Coolidge

Offline MARS

  • Mentor
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • 55,005
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 768
Re: No more MARS recruitment this year?
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2009, 10:38:21 »
I would echo much of what gcclarke just wrote.

I couldn't imagine recommending that someone enrol as MARS unless it is something you really, really want to do, I would think at the exclusion of any other occupation.  Even if I had joined the Regular Force and had a wider opportunity of at-sea officer occupations, I would still have chosen MARS and only MARS.

MARS training is too short, frankly, but that is the way it is.  Everyone I had the pleasure of instructing at NOTC were bright, hard working officers, all of who had received top marks in their academic careers and all of who were unaccustomed to failure.  MARS training is so different from anything most people had previously done in their lives, that, with the exception of the really switched on ones, most found it extremely difficult.  I have no understanding of engineering except for what my Chief Engineer tells me when something is broken.  This is usually relayed in the measured tones one would use when speaking to a child who just doesn’t get it. ;)  I would assume that someone with an engineering or logistics education would find some manner of familiarity in their naval engineering or logistics training.  I really don’t think the same apples to MARS.  My Arts degree did not prepare me for the joys of vector physics, spherical trig, ship’s stability or meteorology, to name a few.  And as soon as you start to grasp any one of those topics, you are moving on to another one.  Then you have to lead in an inspirational manner.  Captain of your football team, kind of thing.  Heck, you barely have a grasp of your own skills, and now you are expected to be bale to recognize the faults of your team – and correct them?  And you must demonstrate an ability to do this before you even leave MARS IV – before you even leave the simulator actually.  It cripples a lot of people who tend not to take it very well because they were, up until that point, really good at most things they had ever attempted.  So yeah, we fail a lot of people.

Command at sea is, from what I am told, the most fun you can have in the Navy with your clothes on.  I hope so, I have busted my a$$ for the last 15 years to get to a position to Command.  And yes, MARS is and remains, obviously, the only route to Command at sea.  Now, the situation is not quite as dire as gcclarke makes it out to be, but Command at-sea is still the primary route for MARS officers - and the ONLY route to Flag rank. A couple of days ago, CMS released the latest Naval Officers' career progression plan.  It is to be given the widest distribution to Naval Officers, so I will post the parts relevant to this dicussion below (MARS and NTO):

-------------------------------------
The demanding operational challenge of service at sea represents a unique opportunity to practice leadership and war-fighting skills that are at the heart of the naval profession.  Accordingly, achieving effect at sea remains the raison d’être of the professional military mariner, and will continue to form the basis of the officer development model.   For this reason, the longstanding practice of selection of our most senior leaders from the sea-going command stream will not change.  Indeed, I expect every MARS officer to vigorously pursue command at sea.  Similarly, I view the developmental foundation of Naval Technical Officers and Naval Logistics Officers to be built through service in the Fleet, and subsequent shore command opportunities are key in the development of these respective communities’ most senior leaders.

MARS OFFICERS

Command Stream.  The first group of MARS officers is represented by those employed in the command stream.  The completion of early navigation training, progression through ‘D level’ and ORO postings; the attainment of command qualification; and appointment as Executive Officer and Commanding Officer will remain the primary focus in the first half of their career.  It is most important to have LCdrs complete the Joint Command and Staff Program (JCSP) prior to their tour as Executive Officer, and ideally, an officer will have served at least one tour in NDHQ prior to assuming command at sea.  From a career progression perspective, submarine command shall continue to be viewed as an equivalent to a surface warship XO tour.

   In almost all cases, promotion to Captain(N) is dependent on successful surface warship command, and is recognition of the potential to reach Flag rank.  Post-command employment will necessarily focus on operational and strategic level exposure and development.  In order to ensure that future senior leaders have a full appreciation of issues affecting the Navy and the CF, mobility is essential.  Every attempt will be made to ensure that these officers receive a broad geographic exposure to the Navy, with emphasis on senior command billets and demanding NDHQ staff positions.  The requirement for senior leaders to have an awareness of, exposure to, and an ability to successfully operate in the strategic environment, something which can only be gained through work in NDHQ, cannot be overstated.  Pursuit of a Post Graduate degree, Professional Development Period 4 (DP4) qualification (National War College) and early second language proficiency are key professional development requirements for progression to the highest ranks.   

   Peer competition is the cornerstone of our merit process, and only the very best from this command stream will one day command our Fleets, Formations and the Navy. Moreover, it must be understood that not all will be provided the opportunity to exercise their command qualification.  The Naval Succession Planning Board (NSPB) will remain the objective vehicle by which officers are selected for sea-going command appointments, and by extension, potential future institutional leadership positions.  However, those officers who are not selected for command are essential to realizing the vision of a credible and relevant navy for today and a strong navy of tomorrow, and they will be selectively employed to this end.   In special circumstances, it is foreseeable that select numbers of these officers would attain the rank of Capt(N).

   Institutional Leaders.  The second group of MARS officers encompasses those post-ORO officers who do not achieve command certification, but remain desirous of serving in a wide range of challenging positions.  Demanding NDHQ staff positions, operational level HQs and international staffs form the majority of positions for employment consideration.  Although Flag rank is not a possibility for this group of officers, I anticipate that the breadth of experience they would accumulate would mean that a certain number could achieve the rank of Commander and, on very rare occasions and in specific circumstances, attain the rank of Captain(N).  Institutional level professional development (ie. JCSP, SLT) would be atypical and any further investment in training and education would be tailored to meet the demands of future specific employment (ie.  HR, resource management, Ammunition Technical Officer, oceanography, project management). 

   Staff Support.  It is important to recognize that the minimum professional basis for leading the application of force in the maritime environment is the ORO course.  The third stream of MARS officers encompasses those who do not hold this qualification.  Officers in this area would be career managed in a manner that would develop staff expertise in a number of fields that are meaningful to the Navy and the CF, and it is envisioned that a select few could progress to LCdr to undertake niche employment opportunities.  As a general rule, NDHQ offers the majority of employment opportunities for this group of officers.  Professional development beyond that required for niche expertise or specific taskings would rarely be considered.

NAVAL TECHNICAL OFFICERS

12.    The NTO is in a unique military occupation devoted to naval operations and associated support. The raison d’être of the NTO is to serve as a naval officer, all the while gaining valuable technical expertise and materiel management skills that can be leveraged for operational success. 

13.    Sea experience for the NTO is vitally important to his/her foundational development.  While academic and theoretical knowledge are cornerstones of the NTO’s cognitive and technical abilities, these elements are finely honed under the operational conditions found only in sea going units.  As a starting point, all NTOs will successfully complete Phase VI training to achieve occupational competency that is the entry-level qualification for all technical officers.  To build on this initial foundation, it is expected that all officers will strive for Head of Department (HOD) qualification and subsequent selection as HOD in a sea-going unit. The experience gained in the HOD tour is invaluable in terms of developing the technical leadership in operations while building significant management skills for downstream postings.

14.    Post Graduate (PG) training opportunities are numerous and represent highly beneficial academic qualifications that serve to broaden the individual’s knowledge base while acquiring advanced technical expertise in a chosen field.  Aspiring officers are encouraged to pursue a PG degree, normally at the rank of Lieutenant (N) / Lieutenant Commander, in order to provide the greatest benefit to the Navy while broadening their own skill-sets. Technical, project management, and broad management (MBA, MEng Mgt) post-graduate studies represent important professional development for those officers seeking leadership positions within the NTO community.

15.    Employment opportunities and patterns vary greatly for NTOs, and there are a number of positions available to acquire the breadth of experience required for NAV ENG employment.  Tours of duty in NDHQ in general, and ADM (Mat)/DGMEPM and DGMPD(L&S) in particular, are considered essential to NTO development, particularly during the post-HOD period.  In this milieu, the technical and materiel support requirements necessitate strong leadership skills, expertise in resource management, project management, strategic planning acumen and specialist engineering knowledge.  NTOs are entrusted with major capital acquisition and fleet sustainment activities, such as project management, Life Cycle Management, and Class Manager positions.  In these challenging positions, NTOs must effectively blend their leadership, operational experience and technical expertise to enhance current and future operational materiel readiness objectives.

16.    The spectrum of opportunities outside of the mainstream technical field is far-reaching.  These ‘purple’ positions denote jobs in the wider CF that broaden an officer’s appreciation of the overall CF and yield a greater understanding of the corporate organization.  Positions in areas such as recruiting, training and leadership academies, personnel management, UN missions are valuable to the NTO and the Navy.  In addition, an early appreciation of civilian HR management issues is a key enabler to NTO development.

17.   In addition to DP4 qualification and a CBC second language profile, the prerequisites for Flag rank include demonstrated success in operational units, strategic staff positions and command appointments.  Coastal command opportunities (such as School Cmdts and GTO at the Commander rank, and CO FMF/BComd at the Capt(N) rank), are available to the NTO as determined by the NSPB.  These appointments are considered significant opportunities to demonstrate future potential for positions of greater responsibility and career advancement.  Equally significant roles to demonstrate future potential are the NTO operational support positions in the Formations (such as FMF Departmental Head/FTA/N37 at the Cdr rank) and the Headquarters Matrix and Project Management leadership positions (such as DGMEPM Section Heads or MCP DCM at the Cdr rank or DGMEPM Director or PM MCP at the Capt(N) rank.)
------------------------------------

Hope this post helps with your decision-making process.

Cheers,

MARS
"Managers do things right; Leaders do the right thing"

Offline Retired FDO

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • 11,865
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 553
  • Swallowing the anchor after 32 years.
Re: No more MARS recruitment this year?
« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2009, 14:37:41 »
It's true, MARS and MSE DEO, as of the typing opf this have one position each. Consider them done. MARS COETP still has 13 positions open. NCS has 6 positions left. It will be closed soon. A lot of our trades are filling up fast. Plenty of Tech jobs open in the NCM world!
A Veteran-whether active duty, retired or Reserve- is someone who at one point in their life, wrote a blank cheque made payable to "The Country of Canada" for an amount of "up to and including my life"   Author Unknown

Attitude is the difference between an ordeal and an adventure

Offline gcclarke

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • 26,170
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 795
Re: No more MARS recruitment this year?
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2009, 15:08:14 »
FDO: Are those number pre or post NOAB?
"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.  Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘Press On’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
- Calvin Coolidge

Offline srhodes

  • New Member
  • **
  • 770
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 31
Re: MARS Officer- Merged Thread
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2009, 22:01:37 »
Hello:
Curious to hear how things (the process) is going with any current MARS applicants out there and what the recruiting people have been saying to you.
Good luck and please keep us posted...

Offline ltmaverick25

  • The keyboard is mightier then the sword!
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • 14,700
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 652
Re: MARS Officer- Merged Thread
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2009, 02:31:29 »
Looks like we have become a victim of our own recruiting success.  I have a number of friends who just made it into MARS and started BMOQ in Oct, but I have others that have to wait until the next year.  As has already been mentioned, the CF is simply unable to accomotate all the new potential recruits that are interested in joining certain trades.  But if you keep at it, you will get your shot.

Offline bullitt

    Back from BMOQ and NETPO!!

  • New Member
  • **
  • 2,660
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 36
Re: MARS Officer- Merged Thread
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2009, 13:19:14 »
My application and enrollment was smooth, however, I am going into the Reserves so I do not know if that bears any difference or not!
Today is yesterday's tommorow

Offline estoguy

  • Member
  • ****
  • 4,870
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 201
  • Aspiring CF Pilot
MARS - questions, positives/negatives?
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2013, 12:47:51 »
Hi everyone,

I'm just doing a little more research into MARS.  I've been on the fence the last couple years about considering it.  I'm certainly not against going to sea or fear a long deployment.

I'll be honest and say that a couple people have warned me away from the trade, so that has weighed on my mind as well.  Essentially, that the Navy "eats its young" as one put it.  Is this true?

What are the positives and negatives of being a MARS? 

My understanding is that they don't do NOABs anymore, correct?  So how does the selection process work now?

Thanks!
"The future is uncertain and the end is always near"
- Jim Morrison, "Roadhouse Blues"

A little hard, because you want it
A little hard, cause you believe
A little hard, yeah its worth fighting for
A little hard, is why you succeed.

Offline George Wallace

  • Army.ca Fossil
  • *****
  • 430,135
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 31,435
  • Crewman
Re: MARS - questions, positives/negatives?
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2013, 13:01:31 »
Out of curiosity, how old are you?  So far, you have applied or asked about almost every Trade/Occupation in the Canadian Armed Forces.  It may be time to make a choice and stick to it.  You are applying for Pilot and ACSO at the moment, but have applied for several other Trades in the past.  Make up your mind.
DISCLAIMER: The opinions and arguments of George Wallace posted on this Site are solely those of George Wallace and not the opinion of Army.ca and are posted for information purposes only.
Unless so stated, they are reflective of my opinion -- and my opinion only, a right that I enjoy along with every other Canadian citizen.

Offline estoguy

  • Member
  • ****
  • 4,870
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 201
  • Aspiring CF Pilot
Re: MARS - questions, positives/negatives?
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2013, 13:14:38 »
I'm sorry if you're getting a wrong impression of me.

I'm not just jumping around. I tend to be an open minded person and am keeping the options open. 

The positions I have previously applied for were:

Infantry O - applied too late in the year.

Last year I interviewed for Pilot and Armour O - medical kept me from moving forward at the time.

Honestly, I've looked at the positions that are available to me, given my education and background. I know myself and could see myself in any of the positions I've looked at. I know that certain areas are closed to me because of education, etc, so those are, obviously, off the table.
"The future is uncertain and the end is always near"
- Jim Morrison, "Roadhouse Blues"

A little hard, because you want it
A little hard, cause you believe
A little hard, yeah its worth fighting for
A little hard, is why you succeed.

Offline RussTheMann

  • Guest
  • *
  • 500
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 20
MARS Specialization and D-Level Courses
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2016, 16:34:31 »
Hi all,
This is a question pertaining to MARS training, and what you can do.
So I know for MARS, after you get your BWK, you can specialize in, IMD (Information Management Director), SAC (Shipborne Aircraft Controller), ASWC (Anti-Submarine Warfare Director), SWC (Above-Water Warfare Director) or FNO (Fleet Navigation Officer).
I have two questions about this;

can someone give me a quick rundown of what each specialization does?
are these the only 5 you can choose? I was under the impression there was a number of other D level routes you can take.

thanks everyone!

Online Scott

    - apparently an antagonist.

  • Likes fire and loud noises.
  • Chief of Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 180,445
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,463
  • El Scorcho Diablo
Re: MARS Specialization and D-Level Courses
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2016, 16:44:17 »
Russ,

If you have a question then feel free to post it. But please don't spam the boards by starting multiple threads for the same thing.

The others have been deleted.

Thanks

Be nice for no reason.

Online Scott

    - apparently an antagonist.

  • Likes fire and loud noises.
  • Chief of Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 180,445
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,463
  • El Scorcho Diablo
Re: MARS Officer- Merged Thread
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2016, 16:54:01 »
Holy crap, I managed to figure out how to merge it without skimming through all of the board's threads.

Thanks for the link, Mike.
Be nice for no reason.

Online mariomike

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 428,960
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,374
    • The job.
Re: MARS Officer- Merged Thread
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2016, 17:18:33 »
 :)
Get on the bus. Take a ride with us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2lSGnPl-ww

Offline RussTheMann

  • Guest
  • *
  • 500
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 20
Re: MARS Officer- Merged Thread
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2016, 18:26:00 »
ooh okay sorry about that! thank you

Offline MikeApplying

  • Guest
  • *
  • 290
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 13
Qualified for MARS, now what?
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2017, 12:28:55 »
I wrote the CFAT today and qualified for every officer position I applied for, and MARS is my number 1. However, I was extremely nervous for the test because I want to be in the forces so bad, and I knew how much was at stake if I bombed it. I qualified, but I definitely didn't do great on the problem solving section (aced spatial, did very well on verbal, mediocre on problem-solving). I am wondering how competitive MARS is, and I want to get a sense of how likely I am to get offered a MARS position assuming I do really well with the interview. I'm up for the challenge and I want this very badly!
Recruiting Centre: London, ON Detachment
Regular/ Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM: DEO Officer
Trade Choice 1: MARS
Trade Choice 2: Intelligence
Application Date: February 3, 2017
CFAT: March 21, 2017
Interview: May 1, 2017
Medical Exam: May 1, 2017
Merit Listed:
Position Offered:
Swearing in:
BMOQ:

Offline Lumber

  • Donor
  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *
  • 41,594
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1,634
Re: Qualified for MARS, now what?
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2017, 14:57:37 »
I wrote the CFAT today and qualified for every officer position I applied for, and MARS is my number 1. However, I was extremely nervous for the test because I want to be in the forces so bad, and I knew how much was at stake if I bombed it. I qualified, but I definitely didn't do great on the problem solving section (aced spatial, did very well on verbal, mediocre on problem-solving). I am wondering how competitive MARS is, and I want to get a sense of how likely I am to get offered a MARS position assuming I do really well with the interview. I'm up for the challenge and I want this very badly!

Regular Force or Reserve?

If Reserve, basically, you're in. If Regular Force, I imagine it's probably the same, but I can't speak with even a shred of authority. You'll probably do fine. I've met some TERRIBLE MARS officers. SO far you seem to know how to use proper punctuations... so... good luck!
"Aboard his ship, there is nothing outside a captain's control." - Captain Sir Edward Pellew

“Extremes to the right and to the left of any political dispute are always wrong.”
― Dwight D. Eisenhower

Death before dishonour! Nothing before coffee!

Online mariomike

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 428,960
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,374
    • The job.
Re: Qualified for MARS, now what?
« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2017, 15:05:07 »
MARS is my number 1.

Change your mind about the Army?

OP: MikeApplying
What happens if you fail infantry training?
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,125369.msg1480049.html#msg1480049
I applied for Armour Officer and Infantry Officer as my second choice.

« Last Edit: March 21, 2017, 16:34:55 by mariomike »
Get on the bus. Take a ride with us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2lSGnPl-ww

Offline MikeApplying

  • Guest
  • *
  • 290
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 13
Re: Qualified for MARS, now what?
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2017, 20:54:36 »
Change your mind about the Army?

Yes. The navy is what I was always interested in, until I changed my mind for a time. Ultimately, I decided to stick with what I had always wanted to do. Probably looks like flip-flopping a bit, but that's OK.
Recruiting Centre: London, ON Detachment
Regular/ Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM: DEO Officer
Trade Choice 1: MARS
Trade Choice 2: Intelligence
Application Date: February 3, 2017
CFAT: March 21, 2017
Interview: May 1, 2017
Medical Exam: May 1, 2017
Merit Listed:
Position Offered:
Swearing in:
BMOQ:

Offline Buck_HRA

    .

  • Directing Staff
  • Full Member
  • *
  • 19,060
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 356
    • CAF - Find a Recruiter
Re: MARS Officer- Merged Thread
« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2017, 08:40:10 »
There aren't a large number enrolled each year (less than 10% of the total enrolment each year are officers) and there is an overwhelming number of people who apply, so most of the DEO Officer positions are very competitive. 

As to the "TERRIBLE MARS Officers" thing, believe me that just because someone does well on a CFAT and scores high enough to be any NCM/Officer occupation they want to be doesn't mean that they will be good at all occupations.  I scored high enough to be any occupation I want and I can tell you that I would be TERRIBLE at most of the Officer occupations. There's only about 4 of them that I would excel in, lol.

Best of luck in your enrolment process :-)

Offline Lumber

  • Donor
  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *
  • 41,594
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1,634
Re: MARS Officer- Merged Thread
« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2017, 08:59:44 »
There's only about 4 of them that I would excel in, lol.

Physiotherapy Officer, Health Care Admin, Pulbic Affairs and CIC?


 [Xp
"Aboard his ship, there is nothing outside a captain's control." - Captain Sir Edward Pellew

“Extremes to the right and to the left of any political dispute are always wrong.”
― Dwight D. Eisenhower

Death before dishonour! Nothing before coffee!

Offline Buck_HRA

    .

  • Directing Staff
  • Full Member
  • *
  • 19,060
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 356
    • CAF - Find a Recruiter
Re: MARS Officer- Merged Thread
« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2017, 12:02:27 »
Physiotherapy Officer, Health Care Admin, Pulbic Affairs and CIC?
Nope, Yeap, Nope and I don't consider that an occupation ;-)

Log, HCA (due to my my experience in the CAF), and MPO, INT (due to my academic background).

Offline MikeApplying

  • Guest
  • *
  • 290
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 13
Applied for DEO MARS Officer, thinking of switching to NCM - advice?
« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2017, 10:12:12 »
Hi all,

I've made a few posts about applying as an Officer, and specifically for MARS in the navy. I'm very fascinated by this position, it's basically my dream job and earlier this week I qualified for it on the CFAT. However, after reading a lot on this forum I've come to the conclusion that I could possibly be waiting for years to be selected. I'm not the sort of person who would be willing to take just any position just to get into the forces, I know that's a bad idea. But rather than wait potentially for years to be selected for a position, I would rather choose a NCM occupation in the navy that I think I would like and excel at and go in that way and gain naval experience. I could possibly apply after a time to be commissioned if I still wanted to be. I'm thinking of waiting until I have my interview for MARS and then speaking with a recruiter to find out approximately how many openings there are and what the likelihood of being selected within 1 year would be. If the odds aren't that good, I'll ask to change my application to a NCM occupation.

Is this a good idea? Is there anything wrong with this plan? Advice? Ultimately I want to gain military experience, and specifically, naval experience. I want to lead a military life, I want to sail, I want to serve my country. Occupation is important, everyone should be doing something that closely matches their skill set and personality. But I'd rather go in sooner than wait for years. Input would be much appreciated, many thanks.
Recruiting Centre: London, ON Detachment
Regular/ Reserve: Regular
Officer/NCM: DEO Officer
Trade Choice 1: MARS
Trade Choice 2: Intelligence
Application Date: February 3, 2017
CFAT: March 21, 2017
Interview: May 1, 2017
Medical Exam: May 1, 2017
Merit Listed:
Position Offered:
Swearing in:
BMOQ:

Online mariomike

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 428,960
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,374
    • The job.
I would rather choose a NCM occupation in the navy that I think I would like and excel at and go in that way and gain naval experience. I could possibly apply after a time to be commissioned if I still wanted to be.

NCM to Officer Merged Thread 
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=82016.0
23 pages.

Transfer from NCM to Officer 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=123732.0

NCM to Officer Options?
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=113458.0

Worth achieving higher NCM rank before going officer?
http://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=87609.25
3 pages.

Get Officer equivalencies as an NCM 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=120646.0

NCM to Officer Transfers
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:nUowe_vCfAAJ:https://army.ca/forums/index.php%3Ftopic%3D119673.0+&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

etc...

See also,

Changing application
https://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Aarmy.ca+changing+application&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=kH7WWJ2JGMKC8Qe0panACw&gws_rd=ssl#q=site:army.ca+change+application&*&spf=180

As always,  Recruiting is your most trusted source of information.


« Last Edit: March 25, 2017, 10:44:33 by mariomike »
Get on the bus. Take a ride with us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2lSGnPl-ww