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Affermative Action Recruiting
« on: April 06, 2005, 16:58:20 »
There are, however, positions where whites need not apply.

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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2005, 17:10:18 »
There are, however, positions where whites need not apply.

What the hell does that mean?
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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2005, 17:16:28 »
What the heck does that mean?
It means there are positions in the CF that are not open to white people.  For example, recruiting centres have a "diversity cell" which has race as selection criteria (for the job of diversity recruiter).

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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2005, 17:21:28 »
It means there are positions in the CF that are not open to white people.   For example, recruiting centres have a "diversity cell" which has race as selection criteria (for the job of diversity recruiter).

Thats retarded. ::) Thats not at you- but the idea of choosing anyone for anything based on Race, religion or creed is ridiculous.
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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2005, 17:24:48 »
It means there are positions in the CF that are not open to white people.   For example, recruiting centres have a "diversity cell" which has race as selection criteria (for the job of diversity recruiter).

This is complete and utter garbage.   There are no racial quotas within the CF.   Perhaps a recruiter (Kincanucks?) can expand upon the role of the diversity cell and end this nonsense here and now.

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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2005, 17:34:15 »
There are, however, positions where whites need not apply.

What the ______ are you talking about?   It is illegal in Canada period, to discriminate against anyone regardless of their colour, age, sex etc... when it comes to hiring.   Why would you think the largest department in the Canadian Govt would be any different?   Give your head a shake.
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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2005, 17:36:01 »
Who said anything about racial quotas?  I just said that certain jobs weren't open to whites and when asked I gave an example.  Or was I misinformed when I was told diversity recruiters were chosen for their race?

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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2005, 17:39:27 »
But why do they ask this?

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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2005, 17:45:15 »
But why do they ask this?

For statistical purposes.

The CF is committed to the principles of Employment Equity to ensure that as an organization, it reflects the true nature of Canadian society and provides equitable representation of the four groups designated
under the Employment Equity Act (women, Aboriginal persons, visible minorities and persons with disabilities). Although self-identification is voluntary, your participation will assist the CF in determining how well it is meeting the goal of representing the Canadian workforce. To aid the CF in achieving equitable representation of designated group members, this information may be used for the purpose of human
resources planning.
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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2005, 17:51:56 »
This is complete and utter garbage.   There are no racial quotas within the CF.   Perhaps a recruiter (Kincanucks?) can expand upon the role of the diversity cell and end this nonsense here and now.

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Diversity officers are not chosen because they are of a certain race or culture.  They are chosen for their training and experiences.  However, it only makes perfect sense to have some people working in diversity cells that are of different races and cultures in order to better understand the races and cultures that we are trying to recruit.  We are a diverse society and the CF is a reflection of that society.  The CF just like any other government department must strive to have a diversified make-up.
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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2005, 18:01:07 »
So, in short, 'yes', some troops are hired into positions where their race is a big factor, whatever the reasons....correct? You can dress it up with all the 'better understand the races and cultures' mumbo-jumbo, but it's still prejudicial.

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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2005, 18:06:14 »
So, in short, 'yes', some troops are hired into positions where their race is a big factor, whatever the reasons....correct? You can dress it up with all the 'better understand the races and cultures' mumbo-jumbo, but it's still prejudicial.

Well you can read anyway you want to and come up with your own conclusions.   But no applicant is treated any differently than any other.   If you are black and you get a job, great and if you are white, pink, or blue and you get a job that is great too.
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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2005, 18:14:27 »
So, in short, 'yes', some troops are hired into positions where their race is a big factor, whatever the reasons....correct? You can dress it up with all the 'better understand the races and cultures' mumbo-jumbo, but it's still prejudicial.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Constitution Act, 1982. Part I Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, Sec. 15:
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(1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

 (2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.


(I actually have no idea how Recruiting works, I'm just noting that there's nothing wrong with giving preference to candidates based upon their race/ethnicity, so sayeth the laws of Trudeaupia).
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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2005, 19:05:51 »
You have to distinguish between a recruiting "goal" and a quota.

A quota sets aside a specific number of positions for a designated group, positions that MUST be filled by that group.  The CF doesn't do this.

A "goal" is a percentage that is set as a target for recruiters to aim at.  "We would like to see XX percent of infantry be female", for example.  The CF does do this.  It does not mean, though, that there are specific seats on courses, etc. set aside for specific groups.  It allows recruiting to be targeted to such groups (females are a perfect example), but doesn't permit entry to be based on being a member of a designated group.

I'm rounds expended on this subject as I am rapidly getting out of my lane.  Over to those who know...  I was just a bit ticked at the apparent tone of one of the posts earlier and decided to engage.

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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2005, 19:15:27 »
You have to distinguish between a recruiting "goal" and a quota.

A quota sets aside a specific number of positions for a designated group, positions that MUST be filled by that group.   The CF doesn't do this.

A "goal" is a percentage that is set as a target for recruiters to aim at.   "We would like to see XX percent of infantry be female", for example.   The CF does do this.   It does not mean, though, that there are specific seats on courses, etc. set aside for specific groups.   It allows recruiting to be targeted to such groups (females are a perfect example), but doesn't permit entry to be based on being a member of a designated group.

I'm rounds expended on this subject as I am rapidly getting out of my lane.   Over to those who know...   I was just a bit ticked at the apparent tone of one of the posts earlier and decided to engage.

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Well said and I think this thread should be locked down before it deviates.
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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2005, 19:16:28 »
Rounds well spent Teddy. :salute:
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Re: Affermative Action Recruiting
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2005, 19:31:52 »
Well said and I think this thread should be locked down before it deviates.

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