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Re: Rank and Responsibility
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2018, 10:41:16 »
Folks, just a reminder to steer away from specific force protection levels/distances that someone could use to do us harm downrange.

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Re: Rank and Responsibility
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2018, 10:46:12 »
Especially not the infantry when accidentally exposed to sweet airforce accommodations  ;D

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Honestly, we do have it pretty jammy.  The worst Accn I've stayed in during my time on Sqn?  Cold Lake, during MF/MG.  Scotland is always a good go.

See your local PSO shop about opportunities to remuster to Commissioned and Non Commissioned aircrew trades.

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Re: Rank and Responsibility
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2018, 10:50:48 »
Honestly, we do have it pretty jammy.  The worst Accn I've stayed in during my time on Sqn?  Cold Lake, during MF/MG.  Scotland is always a good go.

In Scotland, I stayed in an actual trailer park once.  It was amusing more than anything else (even the CO laughed and took pictures), but those things aren't very soundproof against the Scottish wind.
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Re: Rank and Responsibility
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2018, 10:56:47 »
In Scotland, I stayed in an actual trailer park once.  It was amusing more than anything else (even the CO laughed and took pictures), but those things aren't very soundproof against the Scottish wind.

Was that recently?
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Re: Rank and Responsibility
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2018, 11:13:50 »
In Scotland, I stayed in an actual trailer park once.  It was amusing more than anything else (even the CO laughed and took pictures), but those things aren't very soundproof against the Scottish wind.

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Re: Rank and Responsibility
« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2018, 12:58:58 »
The XO felt that only Naval Ops officers should be OOD in foreign ports (ostensibly because of the "force protection" requirement). 

Maybe I was the basis for that decision?

I was the Assistant Marine Systems Engineering Officer (A/MSEO) and was OOD while alongside in the Gulf during Gulf War I.  While I had a very well qualified duty watch to work with, I was probably not the best choice for that job.  My knowledge of naval operations and force protection was probably close to zero. 

I figured when I was OOD that if no one got hurt and the boat didn't float away from the dock, sink or burn to the waterline, my watch was successful.  If the lights and air conditioning stayed on for the full 24 hours, that was cause for celebration. 

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Re: Rank and Responsibility
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2018, 13:06:42 »

I figured when I was OOD that if no one got hurt and the boat didn't float away from the dock, sink or burn to the waterline, my watch was successful.  If the lights and air conditioning stayed on for the full 24 hours, that was cause for celebration.

Broadly speaking, this is still the barometer for success even today.  Sounds like you had it about right, priority-wise.
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Re: Rank and Responsibility
« Reply #57 on: August 30, 2018, 06:39:11 »
I figured when I was OOD that if no one got hurt and the boat didn't float away from the dock, sink or burn to the waterline, my watch was successful.  If the lights and air conditioning stayed on for the full 24 hours, that was cause for celebration.


I echo MARS' comment. As a CO that's about all I expected from my orderly officer, who is, was anyway circa 1980, roughly the same as the Navy's OOD: if by morning there had been no riots, not many soldiers (not many more than usual) were in cells or hospital and none of my building had burned down then I reckoned the OO had not failed ... not any more than i expected any subaltern to fail at any task, anyway.
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