Topic: Tan berets and other CANSOFCOM, JTF, and CSOR fashions [1st split: CSOR]

[Loachman]

I thought that it was rather foolish/pompous at first. If billed as a "service dress" uniform, I still, at least a little bit, see it that way, but now look on it more as "regimental dress" and therefore accept it completely. I have no problem with kilted, bearskinned, and other peculiar traditional regimental uniforms, after all. It certainly presents a more cohesive appearance rather than the usual three-ringed-circus seen everywhere else.

In the good old days when everybody was in green, all qualified members of the Airborne Regiment wore maroon berets, Airborne capbadges, and jump boots regardless of occupation and parent regiment or branch. Today, two of the three coloured uniforms cannot be worn with division/brigade/other patches, which I think is wrong. We wore the 4 CMBG patch in 444 Squadron, and many of us were miffed when we were no longer allowed to do so upon being stuck into light blue.

[Tcm621]

Great, I got a new command badge.  What I really needed was a decent effin flashlight so I don't have to buy my own at a PX again...$500k could buy a lot of good, tactical flashlights and decent boots for my Sqn.

Hey, at least you guys get to buy flashlights. We techs are on tool control and have to use the flashlights on the tool board. If they work and we can find batteries.

We could also spend that 500k on training  so we don't have guys sitting around for 2 years waiting on a career course required to do their primary job.

[Eye In The Sky]

We could also spend that 500k on training  so we don't have guys sitting around for 2 years waiting on a career course required to do their primary job.

There's that too! 

I've got nothing against DEUs and all that...I just think all these "only 500k" projects add up and I see where the money could surely be better spent.

If its only a few hundred thousand here or there...they can drop some of it on my Mid-Nov pay!   

[Oldgateboatdriver]

There's that too! 

I've got nothing against DEUs and all that...I just think all these "only 500k" projects add up and I see where the money could surely be better spent.

If its only a few hundred thousand here or there...they can drop some of it on my Mid-Nov pay!   

Not if it's run on Phoenix!           

[Remius]

Not if it's run on Phoenix!           

Actually, you probably have a better chance of getting that kind of pay under Phoenix...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/phoenix-overpayments-ottawa-70-million-1.3969455

[Eye In The Sky]

 

[daftandbarmy]

Actually, you probably have a better chance of getting that kind of pay under Phoenix...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/phoenix-overpayments-ottawa-70-million-1.3969455

"The only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is its inefficiency." Eugene McCarthy

[Fred Herriot]

I'm rather ambiguous concerning the issuing of a special "DEU" for the folks at CANSOFCOM.  Technically, it's not an independent service but a joint service command, so the fact that personnel from the Navy, Army and Air Force are serving in it should be acknowledged.  Everyone had either the tan beret or the tan inserts in the dress cap or wedge cap to mark them, not to mention the command badge on the jacket.

The idea of bringing out a whole different uniform kit for people in CANSOFCOM, atop the waste of money when (as people on this chat and elsewhere have commented on ad nauseam) there are a billion things more vital to worry about, just strikes me as creating some sort of "fourth armed service" visually.  Are we trying to establish our own version of the Marine Corps while refusing to acknowledge where the people who pass selection processes and serve in CANSOFCOM came from originally?  Don't we want to show that our special forces are made of people who come from the traditional service, who are willing to do something new, exciting and vital to the national defence?  The tan berets/cap inserts and the command badge was enough in my eyes.

Ah, well...!

If this is the way it's going to be, let it be so...

It's still a waste of money if you ask me.

But now, I'm putting on my "insignia geek" hat and nitpick?  Since it has been the tradition of CANSOFCOM that personnel get to wear their branch/corps/regimental insignia on their uniforms, how exactly will the rank insignia be displayed?  Will the Navy officers get to have their executive curls?  Air Force personnel wear pearl grey insignia?  Or are the badges going all Army crowns and Vimy stars?  I hope, at least, that the origins and trades of the personnel in the command WILL be reflected on their rank and service insignia.  At least let THAT happen!

Okay, "insignia geek" hat off.

[Lumber]

The idea of bringing out a whole different uniform kit for people in CANSOFCOM, atop the waste of money when (as people on this chat and elsewhere have commented on ad nauseam) there are a billion things more vital to worry about, just strikes me as creating some sort of "fourth armed service" visually. 
It's still a waste of money if you ask me.

They are considered a 4th, independent command, not a joint command.

But now, I'm putting on my "insignia geek" hat and nitpick?  Since it has been the tradition of CANSOFCOM that personnel get to wear their branch/corps/regimental insignia on their uniforms, how exactly will the rank insignia be displayed?  Will the Navy officers get to have their executive curls?  Air Force personnel wear pearl grey insignia?  Or are the badges going all Army crowns and Vimy stars?  I hope, at least, that the origins and trades of the personnel in the command WILL be reflected on their rank and service insignia.  At least let THAT happen!

Okay, "insignia geek" hat off.

Last I saw them, they all wore the same Combats and Berets, but the rank insignia was indicative of their former branch (i.e. the Major I met had Air-Force style rank slip-ons).

That being said, these particular personnel I met were support trades. I'm not sure if it's any different for operators. If, for example, I was to join as Special Operations Assault Officer (lol), would my slip-ons stay executive curl, or switch to pips?

[Dimsum]

That being said, these particular personnel I met were support trades. I'm not sure if it's any different for operators. If, for example, I was to join as Special Operations Assault Officer (lol), would my slip-ons stay executive curl, or switch to pips?

Duh, it would be just Velcro, along with your name and everything else, because it's tactical.   

[Humphrey Bogart]

That's it!  CANSOFCOM clearly needs new ranks as well!

I found the Armed Forces Dress Committee Proposal for CANSOF new ranks:

[Eye In The Sky]

I'm rather ambiguous concerning the issuing of a special "DEU" for the folks at CANSOFCOM.  Technically, it's not an independent service...

But then again, the RCN, C Army and RCAF aren't independent services either, yet each have their Distinct Environmental Uniforms...

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/n-5/page-2.html#h-10

The Canadian Forces are the armed forces of Her Majesty raised by Canada and consist of one Service called the Canadian Armed Forces.

[daftandbarmy]

Duh, it would be just Velcro, along with your name and everything else, because it's tactical.   

Odd. These guys didn't have any name tags or badges displayed, but seem to have done well on Mt Longdon regardless.

I guess they didn't get the memo on how displaying lots of badges increases combat power... or something like that.

[Eye In The Sky]

But notice...their ammo belts are NOT strung the same, 1 has a moustache and one doesn't....and wait.  Is that an issued grenade?  Because if it isn't, you can't use it.  It doesn't matter if it is a better one than your issued one.  Leave your personal grenades at home troops.  Sling those SRAAWs the same their gentlemen...wouldn't want the enemy to see us unprofessional!

Only by looking like clones can you be combat effective.  It must be true...I saw it on Facebook last week.

 

[medicineman]

You forgot something EITS - their clothing is a bit dirty and the dude on the GPMG needs a shave...

MM

[daftandbarmy]

You forgot something EITS - their clothing is a bit dirty and the dude on the GPMG needs a shave...

MM

And an RSM I know would try to give them a hard time for not having the same scrim on their helmets. Seriously.