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Chavez at al
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2006, 16:50:00 »
agreed, time will tell, I hope for their sake I am wrong.

Well using Red reminds me of the old British Empire maps, so I wish they would use a different colour!

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Re: A Venezuela and North Korea team up?
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2006, 14:45:35 »
well rumour has it that Castro is dead (again) and if not will likely soon be, so Chavez needs some new friends and by standing beside Kim, he will look like the sane one.

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Re: A Venezuela and North Korea team up?
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2006, 18:58:38 »
Chavez is riding the wave of "new socialism" in South America. It'll pass. He doesn't have the staying power to do anything concrete, except for the nuisance value. If he jumps onto North Korea's bandwagon, he better tune his tuba and bring some spare mouth pieces.

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Re: Venezuela Purchasing 24 New Russian-Made Fighter Jets
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2006, 00:00:05 »
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/cgi-bin/client/modele.pl?session=dae.16742938.1131572689.Q3Jt0cOa9dUAAHzOZ4o&modele=jdc_34

Russia, Venezuela Sign Huge Deal for Warplanes, Helicopters
 
 
(Source: Voice of America news; issued July 27, 2006)
 
   
 
 The head of Russia's state arms trading agency says Russia has signed contracts to sell Venezuela 24 jet fighter planes and 53 military helicopters. 
 
Details of the deal were not immediately clear. But the head of Russia's arms export agency said the two countries have signed contracts for Venezuelan purchase of some $3 billion worth of military equipment over the last 18 months. 
 
His comments came as Russian President Vladimir Putin and Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez met in Moscow. 
 
The newly acquired Russian fighter planes are expected to replace a fleet of U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets. Venezuelan authorities say they have not been able to buy spare parts for the F-16s since Washington imposed an arms embargo on Venezuela earlier this year. 
 
Mr. Putin said Thursday the contracts are not directed against other states. He said they are aimed at developing the economies of the two countries. 
 

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CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2006, 16:05:28 »
These guys are dumber than their voters
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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2006, 16:28:43 »
This guy seems to sell pretty big amongst some audiences in South America. And now the UN has given him a platform to talk to the world. I thought I'd seen the lowest point of respect for parliamentary procedure at the UN when Yasser Arafat revealed that he was packing. This guy takes the cake, not to mention reducing the credibility of the UN General Assembly to a place where any idiot can babble to his heart's content.


Oh...wait a minute...it already was.

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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2006, 16:36:33 »
Using the 'evil' west as a scapegoat has always been a favourite tool of politicians in the third world to defer attention from their own corruption and mishandling of government. Anyone remember the Falklands? A classic example of a leader taking the rhetoric a little too far, actually starting to believe their own propaganda. That's why these guys end up being a problem, because they don't know to stop at just words.

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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2006, 12:45:43 »
Every once in a while it is nice to see somebody put a sharp stick in old Geoge's ear. Mr Chavez has been critical of the US before, and with good resaon. Shall I list all the nations in Central America or the  southern hemisphere that the USA has invaded in the past? Or the number of elected governments that they have toppled thru CIA operations, or  outright military intervention .?

Too many people have such short memories, when it comes to American use of "projected military power "  What other country has bases in 108 other countiries ?

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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2006, 12:52:28 »
Can ya blame them. I can think of another country right about now that needs to be invaded! >:D

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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2006, 12:57:30 »
Hugo Chavez. Only a little bit over the top, eh?
Dagny, this is not a battle over material goods. It's a moral crisis, the greatest the world has ever faced and the last. Our age is the climax of centuries of evil. We must put an end to it, once and for all, or perish - we, the men of the mind. It was our own guilt. We produced the wealth of the world - but we let our enemies write its moral code.

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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2006, 17:47:19 »
Every once in a while it is nice to see somebody put a sharp stick in old Geoge's ear. Mr Chavez has been critical of the US before, and with good resaon. Shall I list all the nations in Central America or the  southern hemisphere that the USA has invaded in the past? Or the number of elected governments that they have toppled thru CIA operations, or  outright military intervention .?

Too many people have such short memories, when it comes to American use of "projected military power "  What other country has bases in 108 other countiries ?

Jim B Toronto.

Really? Have a flip through a few chapters of "Savage War of Peace by Max Boot" - after you do - I bet you can make a case for USA stopped the locals killing themselves as I have posted elsewhere.

Nobody can make a case for sticking stuff in the USA's ear, unless you want to drive a Canadian built car, and have a holiday in Frobisher Bay in March - or your name ends in ez.



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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2006, 17:51:35 »
Every once in a while it is nice to see somebody put a sharp stick in old Geoge's ear. Mr Chavez has been critical of the US before, and with good resaon. Shall I list all the nations in Central America or the  southern hemisphere that the USA has invaded in the past? Or the number of elected governments that they have toppled thru CIA operations, or  outright military intervention .?

Too many people have such short memories, when it comes to American use of "projected military power "  What other country has bases in 108 other countiries ?

Jim B Toronto.
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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2006, 18:00:51 »
Showing up clutching a Noam Chomsky book, bible-like, completely destroyed what little, if any, credibility ol' Hugo had left.  ::)

SOP for these types anyways, the louder they posture and agitate, the more distracted their people are as they ride their country right off the rails. If they didn't have a enemy to rage against, the citizenry may, *shudder*, demand competent governance! The horror!!  :o

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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2006, 18:05:58 »
I think Bolton summed up his speech best when he said: "We're not going to address that sort of comic-strip approach to international affairs." Boy did I have a good laugh at that.

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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2006, 18:46:21 »
I got a kick out of his speech.  I knew it would build on his current support while urking off those who don't hold his own views,  but "I can still smell the sulfur"  classic!   I think I see t-shirts being eagerly made right now.
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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2006, 09:50:29 »


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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2006, 15:38:52 »
He's just doing what he was elected to do....

Too bad about the Chomsky book though...kinda flushed his credibility a bit...

but it plays well in the sticks!  ;D
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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2006, 16:01:11 »
He's just doing what he was elected to do.
uuhhh, yeeeaaahhhh, about that. Might want to take a closer look at those elections, how they were run, and how he's managed to gain such a support base to draw from. Might want to take a look at the various organizations he funds in neighbouring countries, and who he chooses as friends and allies, too.
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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2006, 16:02:32 »
At least in the US the appearance of Chavez and Ahmadinejad at the UN has let the public see what the administration is up against. Both Chavez and Ahmadinejad sounded very much like the democrat opposition and the speeches were downplayed by the MSM. The poll numbers next week for Bush may well go alot higher as a result. Increasingly the democrats have aligned themselves with terrorists and our enemies which dont play well with the public.

The public once again were able to see how far the UN has gone in its anti-americanism. France, Russia and China seek to styme the US at every turn. Just like Iraq they are going to force Bush into military action because the diplomatic options were blocked. Possibly they feel that the US dare not attack Iran. Either the US allows Iran to gain nuclear weapons or it doesnt. That is the choice. Sanctions wont be allowed. Now Egypt is making noises that they too want to go nuclear. The world is becoming an increasingly dangerous place when the self interest of a few nations may send the entire world down the slippery slope to armgeddon.

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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2006, 19:38:02 »
Oh god. How can we accuse him of electoral fraud when we (the Western world) go around the world setting up sham democracy in places like Haiti and Afghanistan and Iraq? 
sham democracy? I was there.

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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2006, 19:40:55 »
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...but the social, political, and cultural achievements of the Bolivarian project are undeniable.

Except by folks like a buddy of mine from Venezuela that described for me the advantages of driving old Toyota Corollas and practicing how to pull the cocked and locked automatic from under your thigh (where you keep it while driving), fire through the windshield and simultaneously slam the car into reverse and back away from the barrier erected by roving bands of kidnappers at high speed.

He now lives in the US.  Where he gets to laugh at Hugo and worry about his family.  In Venezuela he only gets to worry about the family.
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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2006, 19:43:24 »
sham democracy? I was there.

Get off this site.

C'mon para, you know all we're doing is blowing up villages and bayoneting babies! ::)

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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2006, 20:03:37 »
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Oh god. How can we accuse him of electoral fraud when we (the Western world) go around the world setting up sham democracy in places like Haiti and Afghanistan and Iraq?

Proof, please.  You claim it, you prove it.

I tend to believe the word of several of my good friends who were ACTUALLY in Afghanistan, ACTUALLY observing the election.  They all told me that it was a remarkably clean election.  Not just by "Third World" Standards, but by our own standards as well.

You sure that being a member of the CF is the right place for you, Decoy?  We tend to take a more thoughtful line in this Organization than the remarkably un-nuanced "the-west-especially-george-bush-is-evil" mantra of yer typical first year arts student (I apologize in advance to any first year arts students that don't deserve that label).

Do some damned research.  The real kind.  Beyond the NDP's website.

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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2006, 20:06:41 »
I think someone has watched "the revolution will not be televised" and believed it...  ::)

x-ray of a lie
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Re: CHAVEZ ET AL at the UN
« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2006, 20:34:27 »
Drive by poster, fires off comments, doesn't back them up with fact.

And to think decoy has had work published, I guess the Publisher allowed her to write and not question her information....

Still waiting for an answer in another thread decoy.

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