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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2006, 21:17:47 »
Always amazed at the number of guys who get killed just as they're "turning their lives around" :'(

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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2006, 00:06:39 »
Your entitled to that opinion, and I am sure you used your vote to vote for who you feel best. Hey, you guys won this time for hecks sake.

And I'm sure that at the ripe old age of 19, you have done some serious culture shaping.   ::)  So the one time you got to vote, your party lost? 
To be sure the GTA will be a liberal socialist paradise for some time to come, but you people need to stop mewling about violent crime when it was YOUR peoples soft policies that allowed Toronto to turn into a junkpile.  You made your bed, lie in it. 
I hope you get a chance to share your views with your DS during your basic with the QYRang if you get in.
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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2006, 00:34:54 »
Yes, I voted once. That's it. I don't think I will be sharing my political views with my DS in BMQ, since I am sure a) he or she wont want to hear it. b) I'l be to busy trying  be the best solider I can be. I won't be worrying about politics. I'll save that for the Internet and conversations with people.


I do sleep in my bed here in the GTA. I feel safe here, I've never been mugged, shot at, stabbed, or anything else, and I live in a crummy area. (Down by Regent park if you must know) I've been assaulted a few times at work, but that's different.

But may I ask what unit I am joining (and btw I've been told that I am accepted, and that I'll be on course this fall) has to do with this?

Or my age? I though suffrage was 18, meaning at 18, I was fully entitled to vote and take part in the political system of this great nation.
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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2006, 00:48:08 »
But may I ask what unit I am joining (and btw I've been told that I am accepted, and that I'l be on course this fall) has to do with this?
Or my age? I though suffrage was 18, meaning at 18, I was fully entitled to vote and take part in the political system of this great nation.

The unit has nothing to do with it.  It was referenced because you indicate you are enrolling in the military.
The fact that you are 19 is in reference to the fact that you have not had much in the way of life experience, despite what you may think.  Have some fun.  Cut and paste your posts to a file and try to sit on it for twenty years.  Then open it and see if you are the same person. 
There is a reason so much hippie crap stems from universities.  Age+idealism+no experience= jr hippie.  And what happens to most of those jr hippies?  They grow up, get a job, house, family and a clue and realize that the pie in the sky crap is just that--crap.  Just seems that different regions take longer than others to figure it out.  GTA and BC being the slowest, Alberta probably being the fastest in general.
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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2006, 00:57:27 »
Well, I think joining the military should help counter some so called hippiness? I'm a firm supporter of the mission in Afghanistan, and the war on terror in general. Not a trait normally shared with hippies.

So I'll grow up and change to a conservative, just like the Liberal MP's did? Just like jack Layton of the NDP did(I dont like him, but he is a good example)? He's in his 60's isn't he? So was the Rt. Hon Mr.Martin. He was also a wealthy business man, not a dope smoking hippy.

Is it really so evil and bad of me to say I support death for pedophiles, murder, rape. Heavy jail for assault, armed robbery, ect.

Medium jail for property crimes.

And light sentences for moral crimes like drugs and prostitution?

Will I have my opinion, it won't be changed by you, nor will I chage your's, so I think I'l leave it be at this point.

Fun thread tho. I like political debate.

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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2006, 01:05:44 »
Fun thread tho. I like political debate.

Then perhaps you should try and have one.  Nothing you have said has shown any evidence supporting your position that the US is heavy handed in the number of criminals behind bars...  Do they have more criminals behind bars?  Yes.  And a variety of members have shown that there could be statistical anomolies with this reporting, ergo, the onus is on you to attempt to back up what you are purportedly debating.  Bonne chance.

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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2006, 01:16:08 »
Fun thread tho. I like political debate.

Feh.  Seems you just like to argue.  Not the same thing. 
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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2006, 01:38:54 »
Feh.  Seems you just like to argue.  Not the same thing. 

You like to argue too then, since you didn't provide any more evidence then me. (in fact I was one of two people who gave evidence, the other someone other then you)

my evidence is as follows. The USA has per population a prison population nearly 7 times that of Canada, and of the rest of the western, free, democratic world.

It is the highest in the world, with its closest followers being countries like Belarus, Russia and Turkmenistan.

I embrace the ideals of western democracy. Seeing as all the other western democracys have a lower rate of imprisonment the the USA.The USA actually has a rate higher then, but close to the eastern and central Asian authoritarian regimes, I conclude the USA is being heavy handed in the dealing out of prison sentences.

That's my final argument/debate/etc/.

I gave my evidence at the start of this thread, it is from the British Government. It is up to you to refute this data as incorrect, by showing me another credible study which disagrees.

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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2006, 01:52:59 »
Don't care, not interested.  You win.  I'm done.
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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2006, 03:58:54 »
I've always been a lttle confused by that statistic. With seven times our rate of incarceration the USA still has a higher crime rate. We must be doing something right.

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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2006, 07:31:01 »
DO NOT let our *cough* "lower crime" rate fool ya......... these are the same people who bring you the budgets, etc.

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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2006, 08:55:26 »
DO NOT let our *cough* "lower crime" rate fool ya......... these are the same people who bring you the budgets, etc.

TODAYS FOOD FOR YOUR THOUGHTS
If someone walks on a technical did a crime actually happen?

We need a point system...OK...technically you can't be punished for crime because of issue A and C, but we find you guilty of the crime so you get a 10 year sentence less one year for A and one year for C, now go serve the full 8 years.  :)
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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2006, 15:21:32 »
>I've always been a lttle confused by that statistic. With seven times our rate of incarceration the USA still has a higher crime rate. We must be doing something right.

If crimes aren't reported or logged they don't show up in the statistics.  Without knowing how the respective police agencies - and there are many of them - deal with various crimes (prosecute, ignore), it's impossible to usefully compare statistics.
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Re: On prision populations
« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2006, 17:24:39 »
The thread was started with a partisan eye against the US. It is clear throughout the posts that the originator's sole reasoning is that the US is bad compared to the rest of the world. Clear contradictory points were supplied by Law Enforcement, Corrections and people from the US, but the originator fails to concede. It's his prerogative. However, we don't have to beat our heads against the wall trying to convince him and listen to lame, unresearched dogma. This is locked. Anybody that has something solid and beneficial to add (heaven knows what that would be) knows the drill.

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In future, you would be well advised to formulate a proper question or argument, back by solid research and references, before launching on another debacle like the one you just created. Credit goes to the other posters for humouring you. Don't expect it to be the norm.
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