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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #175 on: May 25, 2013, 22:08:46 »
Alright so I have done my searching and i have come up with two sconclusions. My main question is do i need some sort of travel Visa for the British army? I have read both yes and no, no being it falls outside of the immigration act. To be honest ive never really travelled outside of Canada so the whole travel visa thing confuses me. From you experiences(if anyone has any) did you need a work visa? Or some other kind of Visa? Or did you even need one at all?

Whatever you do, decide on the regiment you want to join and make contact with them first. Send a well written letter to the Regimental Colonel. It will help a lot in the recruiting process as the British Army is not like us.... what the regiment wants, the regiment generally gets recruiting wise.
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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #176 on: May 12, 2016, 23:04:55 »
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'The current Commonwealth recruitment rules which require five years UK residency have therefore been reviewed, and the residency requirements will be waived to allow for 200 Commonwealth citizens per annum to be recruited to fill a limited number of roles in the Regular Armed Forces which require specialist skills.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3587925/Army-calls-foreign-fighters-bolster-forces-200-Commonwealth-recruits-able-join-bid-make-perilous-manpower-shortages.html#ixzz48V9adhuO
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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #177 on: May 13, 2016, 03:57:24 »
Weren't the Brits pink-slipping members through their redundancy program as recently as 2014? I guess they must have chopped much too deep.

With all the flaws of our late, great FRP program from the early 90's -- it was generous, and nobody was forced out the door. The UK force reduction programs have been less generous and not at all voluntary.

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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #178 on: May 13, 2016, 10:25:47 »
And their back-up plan, enhanced Reserves, hasn't worked out too well for them either.
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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #179 on: May 20, 2016, 15:17:12 »
Chris,

I did a bit more digging and here's what I found:

*Although people from Commonwealth nations such as Canada are again allowed to join, it will only be for a limited amount of trades. Back in 2013, the recruiting of Commonwealth citizens without UK residency was ended and potential recruits had to have lived in the UK at least 5 years as "on indefinite leave" which is another term for permanent residency.

According to your post, it was restarted this year, allowing up to 200 to be annually recruited from Commonwealth nations without requiring residency.

Here's some info on the British Army Recruiting site to confirm:

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The British Army has welcomed soldiers from Commonwealth countries for many years. The service that they give, helps the Armed Forces defend the UK at home and abroad.

There has been a change to the rules for people joining from across the Commonwealth. We now have a selection of Army roles, that you don't need to meet the residency requirements for.

Here's the list of jobs that are open to Commonwealth recruits:

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-Medical Technician
-Logistic Supply Specialist
-Chef
-General Fitter
-Comms Logistics
-Metalsmith
-Recovery Mechanic
-Vehicle Mechanic
-Petroleum Operator
-Marine Engineer
-Gunner Logistic Specialist
-Engineering Logistic Specialist

*Joining and serving in any of the above trades will make one eligible for UK citizenship once they have served 5 years.

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Citizenship and nationality

You don't need to have British Citizenship to serve in the Armed Forces. If you want to naturalise, you'll need to pay all costs and make sure that you can meet the Home Office's criteria. You can apply for citizenship after you've served for 5 years.


From what I can find, this new initiative seems to only apply to the Army, not the RAF or the Royal Navy.

When it comes to the RN though, I did come across a certain Operation Faraday about a program to recruit up to 500 trained engineers from Canada or India, because of the RN's critical lack of personnel trained in certain trades. I'm not sure about the current state of this program.

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EXCLUSIVE: Skills shortage leads Royal Navy to recruit overseas
THE Royal Navy is so sort of engineers that it is being forced to recruit in India and Canada.

By Marco Giannangeli
PUBLISHED: 14:00, Sat, Feb 14, 2015 | UPDATED: 18:21, Fri, Mar 20, 2015

Under new proposals, qualified engineers will be allowed to join the senior service directly at officer level for the first time in its history, leapfrogging junior ranks to secure higher salaries.

    Like all branches of the Armed Forces, we have a proportion of Commonwealth nationals serving aboard our ships already. But we have been forced to expand the search

Once there, they are to be “incentivised” to stay on, with one-off bonuses worth thousands of pounds.

The Royal Navy is short of around 500 engineers and has launched the unprecedented move, codenamed Operation Faraday, to ensure it has the skilled manpower needed to operate its new Queen Elizabeth aircraft carriers by the time the first one is launched in 2020.

The problem echoes a “crisis level” shortage of engineers in Britain, which has led to a spike in salaries across the profession.

According to Engineering UK, Britain needs to recruit 1.8 million engineers by 2022 in order just to “stand still”.  However, of the 600,000 16-year-olds currently taking both Maths and Science at GSCE level every year, only 7,000 actually become engineers after university.


A senior Royal Navy source said: “Like all branches of the Armed Forces, we have a proportion of Commonwealth nationals serving aboard our ships already. But we have been forced to expand the search.

“Canada, for instance, has vessels laid up so Canadian naval engineers will benefit, too.

“We are generally a bottom-fed organisation, meaning we recruit people in most junior levels to inculcate them in military discipline and develop them. But, we are now looking for the first time at trying to bring people in at a sideways level – from Petty Officer rank (middle management) upwards.


Dr Rhys Morgan has warned the Royal Navy situation was reaching crisis levels

“We are having to explore that possibility to incentivise people to join the Navy from industry. We need to unlock all the elements.

“In some specialisations where we need to retain people, such as nuclear engineers, senior ratings and Petty Officers, we are offering financial retention incentives. This will be a one off taxable lump sum to stay for another three years."

Dr Rhys Morgan, of the Royal Academy of Engineering, said the situation was reaching crisis levels.

“We need almost two million more engineers by 2022, but we are not producing anything near the number,” he said.

“Teenagers are not choosing technical subjects and engineering has an image problem. The public perception is still that engineering is about fixing your boiler of your car.

“They realise medicine and law are professions, and know about bankers’ salaries, but aren’t aware that Engineering is the second highest paid profession, after medicine, following graduation.”

He said the industry was about to “relaunch itself” in the public’s imagination in a bid to appeal to a broader range of candidates.

“We are still 10th in the world in terms of output manufacturing, so we remain a major player. Dyson might have moved his manufacturing abroad, but all the design is still done in Wiltshire.

 “So we are going to highlight the interesting careers that come out of engineering. It’s less about focusing on Maths and Physics, and more about creativity, design, innovation, entrepreneurship and problem solving which are interesting to young people,” he said.

“Whether it’s the Shard or Crossrail, people need to see the applications."

A spokesman for the MoD said: “The Royal Navy is leading the way with an innovative package of measures designed to address the engineering manpower challenges in what is a highly competitive employment market.

“These initiatives are now taking shape and the Royal Navy continues to meet its operational commitments and offer exciting career opportunities.”
      


This post should serve as a further reference for other Canadians who are considering to cross the pond and serve there, much like the way another Canadian named Jake Olafsen served in the Royal Marines and wrote a book about it.
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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #180 on: May 20, 2016, 16:14:48 »
I have been pointing out to all the LNG proponents that if more than 1 plant gets built on the west coast of Canada, thee will be a serious shortage of deck and engineering officers for at least the first decade to run the tugs and provide pilotage.

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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #181 on: May 20, 2016, 18:51:48 »
I have been pointing out to all the LNG (and heavy oil  >:D ) proponents that if more than 1 plant gets built on the west coast of Canada, thee will be a serious shortage of deck and engineering officers for at least the first decade to run the tugs and provide pilotage.

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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #182 on: November 06, 2018, 11:45:03 »
Came across this article on BBC today. They're deciding to lift any restrictions on people from Commonwealth countries joining the British armed forces. Not sure if this applies to all trades, or just a select few.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46092838?fbclid=IwAR0T8k9IBl_zqK98k9QdQvUZLW31UthZHB43T9jdkFoowkqyPS6qZj4CmPc

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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #183 on: November 06, 2018, 12:21:05 »
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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #184 on: November 07, 2018, 16:14:16 »
Well, the British forces on again/off again relationship with Commonwealth recruiting is back on again.  Given poor recruiting, I smell necessity dressed up as virtue!

If anyone fancies swapping Pet/Val/Gage for Catterick/Paderborn/Episkopi then this may interest you.  If you have experience, the read across to the British Army is more or less straight forward.

I joined what's now The Royal Regiment of Scotland (Highlanders) many years ago and had the time of my life.  No kilts in the Cdn regs!  Funny, at one point stagging on in the ops room in Afghan, there were 7 of us on duty and only one Brit amongst us (2 Fijians, 2 South Africans, 1 Jamaican and me the Cdn).

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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #185 on: November 07, 2018, 17:43:00 »
Well, the British forces on again/off again relationship with Commonwealth recruiting is back on again.  Given poor recruiting, I smell necessity dressed up as virtue!

If anyone fancies swapping Pet/Val/Gage for Catterick/Paderborn/Episkopi then this may interest you.  If you have experience, the read across to the British Army is more or less straight forward.

I joined what's now The Royal Regiment of Scotland (Highlanders) many years ago and had the time of my life.  No kilts in the Cdn regs!  Funny, at one point stagging on in the ops room in Afghan, there were 7 of us on duty and only one Brit amongst us (2 Fijians, 2 South Africans, 1 Jamaican and me the Cdn).

There'll always be an England..... while the Commonwealth is there :)
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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #186 on: May 12, 2019, 16:56:20 »
I received my offer of service to join the Royal Air Force from the CAF last week. It’s a fairly streamlined process and happens relatively quickly, all things considered. If anyone else is thinking about it and looking for information on the process, let me know.

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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #187 on: May 12, 2019, 22:39:49 »
I received my offer of service to join the Royal Air Force from the CAF last week. It’s a fairly streamlined process and happens relatively quickly, all things considered. If anyone else is thinking about it and looking for information on the process, let me know.

Out of curiosity, why did you switch to the RAF and what trade are you?
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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #188 on: May 13, 2019, 09:24:58 »
I first investigated the possibility based solely on family considerations. I've applied for and been accepted as a Weapons System Operator (Crewman). Would be a Loadmaster in the CAF. I'm a Traffic Tech with six years exp as a C17 LM.

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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #189 on: June 12, 2019, 17:50:16 »
Hey all,

Can Army Reservist here, looking to join British army. I am moving to UK and I would love to stay in the military while I'm over there. Will probably do school + reserves. I expected there to be more discussions about this process (this looked like the most relevant thread), but regardless I'm hoping to get some advice. I want to move over there in about a year, but for a different trade than I am now. AFAIK the best thing for me to do is fully release from the CAF instead of looking to transfer (would take forever...). Brit army application asks if I'm currently serving so its a bit of a conundrum for me. Any thoughts?

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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #190 on: June 12, 2019, 18:44:54 »
Hey all,

Can Army Reservist here, looking to join British army. I am moving to UK and I would love to stay in the military while I'm over there. Will probably do school + reserves. I expected there to be more discussions about this process (this looked like the most relevant thread), but regardless I'm hoping to get some advice. I want to move over there in about a year, but for a different trade than I am now. AFAIK the best thing for me to do is fully release from the CAF instead of looking to transfer (would take forever...). Brit army application asks if I'm currently serving so its a bit of a conundrum for me. Any thoughts?

Thanks

You correctly deployed the word 'conundrum' in a sentence. I suggest that you release from the CAF and apply for a commission with the British Army. Do not go the NCM route.

Seriously. :)
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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #191 on: June 12, 2019, 19:53:44 »
Hey all,

Can Army Reservist here, looking to join British army. I am moving to UK and I would love to stay in the military while I'm over there. Will probably do school + reserves. I expected there to be more discussions about this process (this looked like the most relevant thread), but regardless I'm hoping to get some advice. I want to move over there in about a year, but for a different trade than I am now. AFAIK the best thing for me to do is fully release from the CAF instead of looking to transfer (would take forever...). Brit army application asks if I'm currently serving so its a bit of a conundrum for me. Any thoughts?

Thanks

There are such things as Reserve Force Foreign Service Agreements. See here:

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-support-services-for-members-reservists/foreign-service-agreements.page

I don't have access to the DWAN but I presume that there must be further information, documentation etc available there.

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« Reply #192 on: June 12, 2019, 20:01:37 »
There are such things as Reserve Force Foreign Service Agreements. See here:

And here,

Reserve Forces Foreign Service Arrangements 
https://navy.ca/forums/index.php?topic=58217.50
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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #193 on: June 12, 2019, 23:39:25 »
If you make the move you might as well join Arrse or Army Rumor Service,its not as civilized as army.ca but there used to be good folks there. I stopped posting there years ago due to what I felt was an anti-American vibe. I had decided to reduce my posting so it was an easy for me forum to kick to the curb. I have some fond memories but no desire to rejoin. Good luck !!

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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #194 on: June 12, 2019, 23:47:55 »
If you make the move you might as well join Arrse or Army Rumor Service,its not as civilized as army.ca but there used to be good folks there. I stopped posting there years ago due to what I felt was an anti-American vibe. I had decided to reduce my posting so it was an easy for me forum to kick to the curb. I have some fond memories but no desire to rejoin. Good luck !!

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Re: Joining UK Armed Forces
« Reply #195 on: June 13, 2019, 00:23:22 »
They did  :rofl: