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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1025 on: May 21, 2015, 19:16:30 »
So I heard something today.

The CF fitness test is changing again.  There will be 3 levels.
CF PT test/fitness level
Army PT Test/fitness level
and a 3rd level, possibly trade or unit.

*mic drop*

There is discussion about adding incentive levels to the FORCE test.  Any environmental or Trade standard would have to be established in a way to ensure it is supportable and defensible in the event of a grievance; it can't merely be someone declaring "I think this is the standard".  FORCE was researched and established based on evidence, with CAF SMEs identifying the tasks and standards that must be achieved, and the sample exercises and standards that make up the FORCE test were set as scientifically valid predictors of performance in those tasks.

The Army merely has to identify a reasonable, defensible standard and determine what is a sound, supportable predictor of success of that standard.
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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1026 on: May 21, 2015, 19:17:36 »
So I heard something today.

The CF fitness test is changing again.  There will be 3 levels.
CF PT test/fitness level
Army PT Test/fitness level
and a 3rd level, possibly trade or unit.

*mic drop*

In Shilo the head of the PSP briefed us that the army would in fact have its own PT test within 12 months. What was briefed was:

- The BFT and FORCE test would be merged into 1 test for the army. The BFT would become a 5km march to the gym and the FORCE test would be done immediately afterwards. Each person would receive a score in 1 of 4 possible quadrants, being (not literally named but to get the idea across...) fat-unfit (member is overweight and failed the FORCE test), fat-fit (member is overweight and passed the force test), not-fat-unit (member is not fat but failed) and fat-fit. So, based on your overall score you'll receive a patch for your uniform also, with platinum being the highest (and he said only achievable by .2% of the CF).

You will also be scored as a collective with the rest of your unit, so leadership will be evaluation on the effectiveness of their PT plans based on the Coy/Bty/Sqn scores, the Regt/Bn score, the Bde score, and the Div score.

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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1027 on: May 21, 2015, 19:26:16 »
In Shilo the head of the PSP briefed us that the army would in fact have its own PT test within 12 months. What was briefed was:

- The BFT and FORCE test would be merged into 1 test for the army. The BFT would become a 5km march to the gym and the FORCE test would be done immediately afterwards. Each person would receive a score in 1 of 4 possible quadrants, being (not literally named but to get the idea across...) fat-unfit (member is overweight and failed the FORCE test), fat-fit (member is overweight and passed the force test), not-fat-unit (member is not fat but failed) and fat-fit. So, based on your overall score you'll receive a patch for your uniform also, with platinum being the highest (and he said only achievable by .2% of the CF).

You will also be scored as a collective with the rest of your unit, so leadership will be evaluation on the effectiveness of their PT plans based on the Coy/Bty/Sqn scores, the Regt/Bn score, the Bde score, and the Div score.

So I heard something today.

The CF fitness test is changing again.  There will be 3 levels.
CF PT test/fitness level
Army PT Test/fitness level
and a 3rd level, possibly trade or unit.

*mic drop*

 :facepalm:

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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1028 on: May 21, 2015, 21:47:53 »
So, based on your overall score you'll receive a patch for your uniform also, with platinum being the highest (and he said only achievable by .2% of the CF).

 :facepalm:

And here I was, quietly laughing to myself that the RAAF has a "battle budgie" pin on service dress that shows they are fit for deployment. 
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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1029 on: May 22, 2015, 00:26:42 »
Why does that saying about the Boy Scouts having adult leadership come to mind?
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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1030 on: May 22, 2015, 00:45:33 »
In Shilo the head of the PSP briefed us that the army would in fact have its own PT test within 12 months. What was briefed was:

- The BFT and FORCE test would be merged into 1 test for the army. The BFT would become a 5km march to the gym and the FORCE test would be done immediately afterwards. Each person would receive a score in 1 of 4 possible quadrants, being (not literally named but to get the idea across...) fat-unfit (member is overweight and failed the FORCE test), fat-fit (member is overweight and passed the force test), not-fat-unit (member is not fat but failed) and fat-fit. So, based on your overall score you'll receive a patch for your uniform also, with platinum being the highest (and he said only achievable by .2% of the CF).

You will also be scored as a collective with the rest of your unit, so leadership will be evaluation on the effectiveness of their PT plans based on the Coy/Bty/Sqn scores, the Regt/Bn score, the Bde score, and the Div score.

Great! A new pin!

Maybe someday they'll be worth 15 bucks on e-bay, just like this little beauty  ;D

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Canada-Canadian-Armed-Forces-95-BRONZE-WARRIOR-badge-pin-/330714047445?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d0017e3d5
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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1031 on: May 28, 2015, 05:21:02 »
In Shilo the head of the PSP briefed us that the army would in fact have its own PT test within 12 months. What was briefed was:

- The BFT and FORCE test would be merged into 1 test for the army. The BFT would become a 5km march to the gym and the FORCE test would be done immediately afterwards. Each person would receive a score in 1 of 4 possible quadrants, being (not literally named but to get the idea across...) fat-unfit (member is overweight and failed the FORCE test), fat-fit (member is overweight and passed the force test), not-fat-unit (member is not fat but failed) and fat-fit. So, based on your overall score you'll receive a patch for your uniform also, with platinum being the highest (and he said only achievable by .2% of the CF).


I like it!  A badge for being fat!
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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1032 on: May 28, 2015, 13:05:31 »
Where the hell is this kindergarten-esque thinking coming from?

What level of isolation are these people in who think this is a good idea.

I've met no one who thinks bling for passing a mandatory test is a good idea.

We seriously need more incentive to pass a pt test other than, pass it or get out? We need achievement pins?

This is what people are spending time on when we have so many other issues that need attention?  :facepalm:
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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1033 on: May 28, 2015, 13:11:36 »
Where the hell is this kindergarten-esque thinking coming from?

What level of isolation are these people in who think this is a good idea.

I've met no one who thinks bling for passing a mandatory test is a good idea.

We seriously need more incentive to pass a pt test other than, pass it or get out? We need achievement pins?

This is what people are spending time on when we have so many other issues that need attention?  :facepalm:

Nobody says you need to wear it on your uniform.  I certainly won't be  :)

We can pool them all together and sell them to the Walter Mitty's of the world.  I'm sure Franck Gervais would love a nice fitness pin to go along with his Pathfinder badge and Medal of Bravery  ;D


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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1034 on: May 28, 2015, 13:37:42 »
Where the hell is this kindergarten-esque thinking coming from?

What level of isolation are these people in who think this is a good idea.

I've met no one who thinks bling for passing a mandatory test is a good idea.

We seriously need more incentive to pass a pt test other than, pass it or get out? We need achievement pins?

This is what people are spending time on when we have so many other issues that need attention?  :facepalm:

Gold Star for you..... ;D
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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1035 on: May 28, 2015, 13:42:19 »
Any takers on what the badges will look like?

I'd go with this  ;D



I envision being a little bigger than the 1812 Pin and also keeping the aforementioned pin's spinning feature!



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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1036 on: May 28, 2015, 13:45:58 »
Where the hell is this kindergarten-esque thinking coming from?

What level of isolation are these people in who think this is a good idea.

I've met no one who thinks bling for passing a mandatory test is a good idea.

We seriously need more incentive to pass a pt test other than, pass it or get out? We need achievement pins?

This is what people are spending time on when we have so many other issues that need attention?  :facepalm:

I agree. Bling is ridiculous. We should issue ribbons instead, like the US, so it can go right beside the ribbon for "I crossed the street without my sergeant's assistance".  /SARC OFF

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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1037 on: May 28, 2015, 13:47:38 »
I agree. Bling is ridiculous. We should issue ribbons instead, like the US, so it can go right beside the ribbon fro "I crossed the street without my sergeant's assistance".  /SARC OFF

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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1038 on: May 28, 2015, 14:45:42 »
Any takers on what the badges will look like?

Why not just use these again?



With Velcro, of course....

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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1039 on: May 28, 2015, 15:05:29 »
perhaps something like this?
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1040 on: May 28, 2015, 15:13:40 »
Why not just use these again?



With Velcro, of course....

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Hi-vis and subdued versions?

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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1041 on: May 28, 2015, 15:34:35 »
Hi-vis and subdued versions?

Nah, take them off for operations...
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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1042 on: May 28, 2015, 15:36:46 »
Nah, take them off for operations...

We need a coloured one for garrison use and a CADPAT one for Ops!  I love it

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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1043 on: May 28, 2015, 17:24:53 »
Nah, take them off for operations...

Agreed. If the enemy can see my PT badge it just lets him know how much he needs to lead.....

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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1044 on: May 28, 2015, 21:43:01 »
We don't need no stinkin badges.....
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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1045 on: December 15, 2015, 12:54:09 »
I thought the beep test was retired from CFLRS and they used the sandbag relay now?
My package from recruiting says
Sandbag Drag
20m Rushes
And Shuttle run

I take it the sandbag relay is too easy?
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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1046 on: December 15, 2015, 13:06:43 »
20m rushes is not the 20m shuttle. They are a sprint, with a drop to your stomach every 10m. There's YouTube video out there of the FORCE test.

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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1047 on: December 15, 2015, 13:56:08 »
Another merge...

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Re: Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )
« Reply #1048 on: December 15, 2015, 14:14:03 »
20m rushes is not the 20m shuttle. They are a sprint, with a drop to your stomach every 10m. There's YouTube video out there of the FORCE test.

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