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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2009, 18:41:34 »
Yet another Islamic university student here in Canada, the former VP of the Canadian Arab Federation, mouthing off about Canada and its policies.  If you follow his logic on Native Rights, you wonder how he can overlook the obvious in his argument and stay in Canada.

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Canada a 'genocidal state': former Arab federation VP

By Mary Vallis, National PostJuly 3, 2009

TORONTO — A former vice-president of the Canadian Arab Federation is not backing down after posting "F— Canada Day" on his personal Facebook page.

Omar Shaban, a university student in his early twenties, resigned from the CAF's executive Wednesday after his comments, which also referred to Canada as a "genocidal state," provoked an online backlash. Rather than apologize for his remarks, however, he published an extensive blog post on Thursday defending them.

"I regret the dark history this country has," he wrote. "We are only lying to ourselves if we deny the dark past that Canada was founded on. Canada Day is seen as tragic by its true indigenous population. When Canada Day is celebrated for true freedom and not mourned by the indigenous population of Canada for its colonial and dark past, I will gladly show them my support."

Earlier this week, Shaban posted on Facebook that he "couldn't be more ashamed to be Canadian."

He also wrote, "Might as well kill more natives . . . as a token of support for this genocidal state."

As opposition swelled on Canada Day, the CAF released a statement distancing the organization from Shaban, saying it "is proud of its Canadian identity and heritage" and the comments "in no way reflect of CAF nor its feelings towards Canada."

Mohamed Boudjenane, the CAF's executive director, referred to Shaban's comments as a "stupid faux pas."

"He made a stupid mistake we don't agree with, he resigned and the board accepted his resignation," Boudjenane said. "Omar Shaban is a young activist. . . . Obviously, he holds certain views in respect to first nations' rights and he expressed them on Facebook. That has nothing to do with CAF as an organization, but they will be used against us. We're not surprised."

Shaban's online commentary came at a particularly bad time for the CAF, an umbrella organization that represents 40 Arab groups.

In April, the group lost nearly $2 million in federal funding after its president referred to Jason Kenney, the immigration minister, as a "professional *****" for his support of Israel.

In his blog post, Shaban fired back at the CAF's characterization of his departure.

"I resigned from CAF because I do not want to be part of an organization that openly refuses to acknowledge Canada's colonial and shameful history," he wrote.

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What a frackin idiot.  What are universities producing?

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2009, 18:49:19 »
This guy really lowers the IQ of his peers:

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According to the CAF's website, Mr. Shaban, 22, was born in Canada and raised in Lebanon. He is a third year international relations student at the University of British Columbia.

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2009, 12:14:21 »
WOW.... and he is now a Canadian??? we can now refer back to the original title of this
"They Walk Among Us"
Please someone tell me why people walk around thinking that we are safe???? after all this is Canada...Peace keeping country....
 sorry a little rant there!  >:( >:(

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2009, 12:20:26 »
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Earlier this week, Shaban posted on Facebook that he "couldn't be more ashamed to be Canadian."

There's a simple expedient for that, if you have the guts.
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2009, 12:31:09 »
I'd like to blame this d**chead for his comments, but I can't fail to see that, as a society, a country, we the citizens allow this kind of crap to go on.   Maybe not *you* or *me*, but collectively we are failing ourselves, with our "everything must be PC" ways.

I am getting tired of reading or hearing about XYZ-Canadian groups.  You are Canadian, or you are not, to me.  My ancestors came from Scotland and Ireland;  I've never heard my father refer to himself as a Scottish-Canadian, and be part of a group that gets federal funding (aka taxpayers money, which is partly MY money) and then ridicules the very country they live in and our Canadian ways.

Perhaps Omar Shaban (I refuse to put a Mr. in front of that) would be happier living in some other country.  I, for one, would chip in on his bloody plane ticket. 
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2009, 13:50:24 »


Perhaps Omar Shaban (I refuse to put a Mr. in front of that) would be happier living in some other country.  I, for one, would chip in on his bloody plane ticket.


That my Friend is one of the Great Mysteries of Life, why all these persons figure there is so much wrong here and someother place is so much better, why are they still here ?.

But as you so eloquently put, we are getting exactly what we tolerate and justly deserve. And I am sad to say, it gonna get a lot worse !.

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2009, 14:07:13 »
(chuckling)  gee, doesn't THAT news perk me up!  :)
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #32 on: August 01, 2009, 11:00:30 »
A followup on Hassan Diab who, it appears, has been fired from Carleton University for his connection to terrorism:

Carleton Professors Call for Reinstatement of Colleague Accused of Bombing Paris Synagogue


The Ottawa Citizen (Reproduced in Accordance with the Fair Dealing Provision of the Copyright Act.)
August 1, 2009
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http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Carleton+professors+call+reinstatement+colleague+accused+bombing+Paris+synagogue/1850749/story.html


Sociology and anthropology professors are demanding that Carleton University reinstate accused terrorist and fellow lecturer Hassan Diab. “The senior administration has a chance to do the right thing. It’s never too late,” said Peter Gose, chairman of the department at the university.

The Lebanese-born Diab, who is now a Canadian citizen, is accused in France of killing four people and injuring dozens more in the 1980 bombing of a Paris synagogue. He faces an extradition hearing in January and is under virtual house arrest, but may leave to work. Diab was teaching a summer course this week when he learned he was terminated.

Gose said university president Roseann Runte had asked for a meeting with the department on Thursday afternoon, two days after Diab was fired. Of the 42 academics permanently employed in the department, 22 showed up for the meeting, including Diab’s common-law wife, Rania Tfaily. But Runte did not appear.

The professors then drafted the resolution, which said the university ignored its own procedures by terminating Diab, unanimously called for his reinstatement and supported Gose and John Osborne, the dean of the department of arts and social science, for assigning teaching duties to Diab.

“We have to say that our relationship is in bad shape,” said Gose. “The department is solidly behind the idea that he should not have been dismissed.” Gose said he also takes issue with the way the course Diab was teaching was assigned to another faculty member without consultation. “That’s not the way it’s supposed to be done. It’s supposed to be done by the department. It’s an area of the university we manage,” said Gose.

Diab must wear an electronic monitoring bracelet, report regularly to the RCMP and can’t own a cellphone. Under his bail conditions, Diab must live with Tfaily in her Ottawa home. He may leave for work and legal and medical appointments, but only if accompanied by Tfaily or one of the four other people who put up $250,000 in combined bail, including Gose. “The judge said he was not an immediate threat to anyone,” said Gose.

Hiring sessional lecturers is subject to elaborate seniority rules under the collective agreement, Gose said. Diab, who has taught about five previous courses in the department, was at the top of the list in terms of suitability and availability to work. Gose said hiring Diab was cleared by Osborne, as well as the associate director of human resources and Carleton’s provost and vice-president academic, Peter Ricketts.

The department’s reaction to the termination of Diab’s teaching contract is the latest chapter of an episode that began Monday when a court proceeding heard that Diab had been hired to teach during the summer. He was fired Tuesday in the wake of criticism, including a statement by the Jewish advocacy group B’nai Brith.

On Wednesday, the Canadian Association of University Teachers, which represents 65,000 academics across the country, said the university had bowed to pressure from outside the university. Gose said that when Runte called for a department meeting, professors were expecting an explanation of administration’s actions.

In a statement on Friday, Carleton spokeswoman Lin Moody said Runte’s meeting with the department was cancelled after the administration received a grievance from Diab’s union, CUPE 4600. “Because the decision is being grieved we will allow the grievance process to unfold as it should and won’t be making any further comments.”

Gose said that although it was not against the collective agreement for senior administration to fail to notify him and the dean about terminating a lecturer, the normal procedure would be to consult them.“We have to get back to the situation where we respect the collective agreement and the rule of law. And the presumption of innocence,” he said. “It’s not about anyone’s politics. It’s about procedure and it’s about respect.”

Gose said he believes administrators are being pressured by organized lobbyists. “They’re on the fifth floor of the Tory building being bombarded by e-mails and not talking to the professoriate or the students,” he said. “We have a large Muslim student population. There are more people to talk to beyond B’nai Brith. We’re a complex multicultural society.”

Gose sees this week’s events as a “continuity” of Israeli anti-apartheid week last February, when a poster depicting an Israeli helicopter bombing a Palestinian child holding a teddy bear was banned from campus, sparking debate about freedom of expression. Frank Dimant, executive vice-president of B’nai Brith Canada, cites the events of the last week at Carleton as indicative of the mood on Canadian campuses. Dimant said he is fighting an uphill battle against a coalition of neo-Nazis, left-wingers and academics.

“It’s appalling university professors would lobby for the reinstatement of a professor who is alleged to have bombed a synagogue. And one asks this question: is it because a synagogue was bombed?” he said. “Can a rational Canadian citizen agree with the notion that their child is taught by a man who is charged with terrorist crimes?”

He added that the B’nai Brith statement was released to the public domain and the organization did not contact the university to press its case. “We will get the Canadian people to be the lobby group that influences the university.”

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2009, 11:15:54 »
One word: deportation.
Born elsewhere, emigrate to here, bash this country to your base beliefs, and not expect backlash?
I am a proud Canadian, born in the UK of Scottish and (I just found out) Irish ancestry.  As do most of us all.
I am proud to serve my country that took my family in (we immigrated in '69)
People like these make me sick as I wonder at what point to any of us go from being proud and patriotic to racists?  I guess that all depends on your point of view!   
I can guarantee, that if I had done anything terroristic (is that a word) in this country, my butt would be back in the UK!  But then again, I'm a white anglo-saxon protestest who speaks english. 



Sorry.  Too much?
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2009, 12:10:23 »
One word: deportation.
Born elsewhere, emigrate to here, bash this country to your base beliefs, and not expect backlash?
I am a proud Canadian, born in the UK of Scottish and (I just found out) Irish ancestry.  As do most of us all.
I am proud to serve my country that took my family in (we immigrated in '69)
People like these make me sick as I wonder at what point to any of us go from being proud and patriotic to racists?  I guess that all depends on your point of view!   
I can guarantee, that if I had done anything terroristic (is that a word) in this country, my butt would be back in the UK!  But then again, I'm a white anglo-saxon protestest who speaks english. 



Sorry.  Too much?
  Not at all.
I AM :cdn:  Me too! :nod:

I'm glad and surprised Carleton U is taking a stand. From what I've observed, universities are often too hesitant to take decisions that have political implications.

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2009, 11:56:14 »
This report, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions (§29) of the Copyright Act from today’s Globe and Mail, says that the one convicted terrorist would rather not go to jail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/terrorist-makes-plea-for-clemency/article1263637/
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Terrorist makes plea for clemency



“I am not a lunatic hell-bent on destruction” of the West, young man tells court today in Brampton, Ont.


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Brampton, Ont. — Globe and Mail Update Last updated on Tuesday, Aug. 25, 2009 11:22AM EDT

A convicted Canadian terrorist made a plea for clemency in a Brampton, Ont., court today, urging a judge to forgive his “unspeakable” involvement in a plot to bomb government targets in downtown Toronto.

“Everyone makes mistakes ... The reason we fall down is so we can learn to get up again,” said Saad Khalid, now 22, reading a judge a statement he prepared for his sentencing hearing.

The young man added he wanted the court to know “I am not a lunatic hell-bent on destruction” of the West. “I never wanted to hurt anybody," he said, adding he was glad the plot was foiled in a police sting.

These are the first remarks by any of the accused bomb plotters, who were arrested three years ago, in terms of openly speaking about culpability and the true motivations behind the plot.

In May, Mr. Khalid became the first suspect to plead guilty to a bomb plot in the so-called 2006 “Toronto 18” conspiracy. The group was allegedly a tight-knit splinter cell from within a larger group of Muslim youth that ran and attended a makeshift winter training camp months earlier. Prosecutors say the motivating principle was armed jihad, as the radical young men understood it, and their hope was to force a withdrawal of Canadian troops from Afghanistan.

To that end a few ringleaders, who cannot be named by court order, allegedly sought to acquire U-haul trucks and tonnes of ammonium nitrate fertilizer to bomb the Toronto Stock Exchange, the Toronto headquarters of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, and an unspecified military base.

Mr. Khalid was not privy to the specific details of the plot, but he was caught in a sting boxing fertilizer at the behest of the alleged mastermind.

“I'd like to start by first accepting responsibility for my role,” Mr. Khalid said. “I was not motivated by hate for Canada and Canadians.”

He did say he hated Canada's foreign policy, particularly NATO's participation in the Afghanistan conflict.

Mr. Khalid said he renounces violence and has a better understanding of Islam, but “I still have strong political views shared by other Muslim youth.”

He suggested he could counsel them toward more peaceful protest if freed. “I need a second chance and I do not think keeping me in jail would be good for society or me,” he said.

Sentencing arguments continue today ahead of a planned ruling next month. Mr. Khalid is the second member of the Toronto 18 to be found guilty, with a youth last year convicted of participating in the training camp.

Nine additional suspects have yet to face trial.

I hope he gets a stiff, exemplary, sentence. A lot of people dislike, even “hate” our foreign policy, many are vehemently opposed to our mission in Afghanistan – one of them (those opposed to the Afghan mission) is a friend of mine. Those people – almost all the ones who are opposed to Canada being in Afghanistan – did not decide to build bombs and kill Canadians. This guy, and his friends, did, and they should pay a high price for that bad decision.

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2009, 12:03:28 »
Ref the last line of the above quote:

I disagree you little POS;  keeping you in jail is exactly what would be good for society.

As for what is good for you?  *yawn* I've no interest in that.
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2009, 12:20:34 »
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If anybody believes that crap, please contact me immediately, as I can get you a good deal on the Brooklyn Bridge or your own Ice Berg.

Throw the Book at him, make a example of him, that Canada has a "Zero" policy with any act or form of Terrorism.

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2009, 12:25:26 »
Make an example of him and send him to his beloved afghanistan, I as a tax payer would much prefer the cost of a one-way ticket rather than sending this punk to our prison system on our dime..
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2009, 12:27:32 »
Make an example of him and send him to his beloved afghanistan, I as a tax payer would much prefer the cost of a one-way ticket rather than sending this punk to our prison system on our dime..

So he can master his trade?  I'd rather see him in a deep dark hole right here in Canada, until he's too old and leathered to pick up a bag of fertilizer.
Apparently, a "USUAL SUSPECT"

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2009, 12:36:19 »
So he can master his trade?  I'd rather see him in a deep dark hole right here in Canada, until he's too old and leathered to pick up a bag of fertilizer.


Good point "Kat".

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2009, 15:20:14 »


Good point "Kat".

Cheers.

agreed, although corporal punishment would be ideal for cases like this.
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« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2009, 15:43:34 »
I thought everyone knew that the cylons looked like humans!

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« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2009, 16:46:46 »
Side note: why do they hold their heads back like that whenever a photo is being taken?
hes just asking for someone to kick him in the chin
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2009, 16:58:17 »
Why do we have to explain this everytime one of these threads shows up?

Hold and voice all the opinions you want, as long as they fall within the realm of what's legally accepted by our society and laws.

Keep the vigilante stuff to yourselves.

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2009, 18:03:08 »
I am a proud Canadian, born in the UK of Scottish and (I just found out) Irish ancestry.   But then again, I'm a white anglo-saxon protestest who speaks english. 


You are having a laugh mate, you call that Scottish chinwag English?  :rofl: Scottish and English don't mix, especially when it comes to football  ;D

Bet you think Alex Ferguson is speaking English in the link below?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTZ1v3hjH1M




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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2009, 18:45:17 »
You are having a laugh mate, you call that Scottish chinwag English?  :rofl: Scottish and English don't mix, especially when it comes to football  ;D

Bet you think Alex Ferguson is speaking English in the link below?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTZ1v3hjH1M

Careful there ruckmarch. I'm from Scots Irish descent and could see your post as very derogatory and perhaps even racist crack delivered to my ethnic heritage. Very un PC.  8)
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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #47 on: August 25, 2009, 19:01:21 »
Careful there ruckmarch. I'm from Scots Irish descent and could see your post as very derogatory and perhaps even racist crack delivered to my ethnic heritage. Very un PC.  8)

I was born and raised in London UK, a lifelong Arsenal fan, hence the football jibe. Racist...? Mate please

BYT gets the joke  ;D

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2009, 06:49:02 »
I was born and raised in London UK, a lifelong Arsenal fan, hence the football jibe. Racist...? Mate please

BYT gets the joke  ;D

Bleedin' Arsenal.  You want to see tribal violence Danjanou?  Up the Hammers  ;D

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Re: Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)
« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2009, 11:45:00 »
Bleedin' Arsenal.  You want to see tribal violence Danjanou?  Up the Hammers  ;D

Scots-English-Canadian with 5 years in Surrey and a suitably complex dialect.

Nah, us Hammers save most of our bile for Millwall fans.  West Ham is the only club to ever win a world cup   ;D
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