2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[Fishbone Jones]

I'm not the only one that sees him lying. How can anyone trust his platform when he's always lying? How much of it is BS?


Opinion

LILLEY: Carney continues to lie his way through campaign​

Brian Lilley
Tue, April 22, 2025 at 8:35 a.m. EDT3 min read

LILLEY: Carney continues to lie his way through campaign

Liberal leader said it’s a ’fact’ Poilievre would ban abortion even though the Tory has said he won’t

ca.news.yahoo.com

 

[Brad Sallows]

What a cynical attitude. A program that has actually helped many Canadians in a very direct, significant, and tangible way, but to you that's just "vote buying"?

Every government dollar spent helps someone in "a very direct, significant, and tangible way", even if it's just basically a rice bowl.

I have stipulated before that every public dollar spent benefits someone. With that distraction removed, we could concentrate on the concept of exactly how much utility is achieved.

Almost every program that is directing money at the middle class - whether as program spending or a tax break - is money going to people who don't really need it. Yes, everyone would be a little less well off. But no-one should be getting a lift above the others because they happened to luck into qualifying for a subsidy that is not, in fact, universally available.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Another take on Carney’s platform. Not as rosy as it sounds.


Opinion

NP View: Mark Carney's platform is a plan for economic disaster​

National Post View
Tue, April 22, 2025 at 6:00 a.m. EDT
7 min read

NP View: Mark Carney's platform is a plan for economic disaster

Liberals promise massive deficits coupled with Trudeau-style social justice agenda

ca.news.yahoo.com

 

[Fishbone Jones]

https://horizons.service.canada.ca/en/2025/01/10/future-lives-social-mobility/pdf/future-lives-social-mobility-en.pdf

No wonder the Liberals want to take your guns.

Politicians don't confiscate firearms for your safety.

They confiscate them for their safety.

 

[lenaitch]

for parents that can't make ends meet anymore, while they work two or three jobs.

That is no doubt a component but there are parents who consciously want to maintain two careers. Cost and availability are both factors.

 

[brihard]

On a slightly different tack from the polls, those who put their money where their mouth is are currently pricing in a 79% chance of a Carney victory.

Polymarket - 2025 Canadian Election Forecast

2025 Canadian election forecast by the platform that correctly called all 50 states + DC in the 2024 US election. Trust markets, not polls.

polymarket.com

That is no doubt a component but there are parents who consciously want to maintain two careers. Cost and availability are both factors.

Absolutely. That’s us. If we didn’t have my mom living locally and providing our daytime childcare, we would absolutely have been oursuinf childcare. My wife has her own professional career just as important as mine.

 

[Quirky]

The following people are all in competition:

• people who want more defence spending
• people who want $10-a-day care
• people who want their drugs covered by a pharmacare program
• people who want more teachers in classrooms
• people who want no more closures of their local hospital emergency room
• people who want an ambulance to roll to them a few minutes after they call
• people who want to keep their jobs distributing aid to foreigners
• people who want to see a physician within a day or two (sooner for emergencies)
• people who want their surgical needs met in weeks, not months
• people who want subsidies for their EVs
• people who want subsidies for their rent
• people who want subsidies for their home purchase
• people who want their taxes cut
• ...

Consider the average Canadian, American, Mexican, Brazilian, Argentinian, etc, standard of living and consumption in:

• 1825
• 1925
• 2025

See any differences?

The Americans are leading; we're sliding. We're trying to pay for too many things with public revenues, without raising the revenues. It's a little noticeable by observation now, and definitely noticeable by the numbers. Not too long from now, it'll be blatantly obvious. The US is fundamentally a grow-the-pie country; Canada is fundamentally a divide-the-pie country. Eventually, bigger pies mean even their smaller slices beat the larger slices of smaller pies.

This is another situation that needs to be unfucked, which means changing the relative proportions of time divide-the-pie and grow-the-pie parties occupy office - in favour of the latter. Start by giving up some recent programs to fix the ones that are decades old.

Canadians want their cake and eat it too, they think they’re entitled to their entitlements and have become addicted to the socialism without the have to work for it part. The middle class keeps getting squeezed by having to pay for all the poor, lazy and entitled. The house of cards will crumble, we’re on the right path for Venezuela 2.0.

 

[MilEME09]

Another take on Carney’s platform. Not as rosy as it sounds.


Opinion

NP View: Mark Carney's platform is a plan for economic disaster​

National Post View
Tue, April 22, 2025 at 6:00 a.m. EDT
7 min read

NP View: Mark Carney's platform is a plan for economic disaster

Liberals promise massive deficits coupled with Trudeau-style social justice agenda

ca.news.yahoo.com

Gotta love those anonymous opinion articles, but that's exactly it, it's an opinion. If Carney's plan is a disaster, then Pierre's plan is Armageddon as written.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Gotta love those anonymous opinion articles, but that's exactly it, it's an opinion. If Carney's plan is a disaster, then Pierre's plan is Armageddon as written.

Methinks the editors felt the need for some damage control after Ivison's unfiltered disapointment in Poilievre went to print

 

[MilEME09]

For those who need a one stop shop comparison of platforms.

Federal election party platforms: Compare pledges on major issues from Trump to housing

A voter guide to where the Liberals, Conservatives, NDP and Bloc Québécois stand with less than a week until Canada’s election on April 28

www.theglobeandmail.com

As well a pre platform analysis of all the promises, and the math aint adding up for the CPC

Platform crunch 3: Every party is promising tax cuts and cash transfers - CCPA

With the federal election campaign in full swing, the parties are continuing to release pieces of their vision for how they would govern.

www.policyalternatives.ca

and some new policy analysis

IFSD Fiscal Credibility Assessment Liberal Party of Canada Platform 2025 – IFSD

ifsd.ca

IFSD Fiscal Credibility Assessment Conservative Party of Canada Platform 2025 – IFSD

ifsd.ca

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Gotta love those anonymous opinion articles, but that's exactly it, it's an opinion. If Carney's plan is a disaster, then Pierre's plan is Armageddon as written.

That's an opinion.

 

[Lumber]

Every government dollar spent helps someone in "a very direct, significant, and tangible way", even if it's just basically a rice bowl.

I have stipulated before that every public dollar spent benefits someone. With that distraction removed, we could concentrate on the concept of exactly how much utility is achieved.

Almost every program that is directing money at the middle class - whether as program spending or a tax break - is money going to people who don't really need it. Yes, everyone would be a little less well off. But no-one should be getting a lift above the others because they happened to luck into qualifying for a subsidy that is not, in fact, universally available.

Disagree.

Lot of tax dollars go to I direct and intangible things. Since everyone loves misrepresent the "green slush fund" I'll use that as an example. Tax dollars going to "good ideas" for research or testing of potential new products/technologies. That's not money going directly to the betterment of a person's life; that's money going to pay for overhead of a project that may or may not lead to anything tangible sometime down the road.

 

[Lumber]

The US is fundamentally a grow-the-pie country; Canada is fundamentally a divide-the-pie country. Eventually, bigger pies mean even their smaller slices beat the larger slices of smaller pies.

And this is why Canada needs a leader like Carney. He'll actually set Canada on a path to grow the pie, where as Trudeau was jsut dividing the pie more and more, and PP will end up just dividing the pie in different ways (at best) or shrinking the pie (at worst).

 

[Furniture]

I would contend that Canada’s low and falling birth rate is a long term, pan-Canadian strategic problem. As a policy intended to make having kids more affordable, it applies itself to that issue and can be justified as a federal endeavour in that way. Same as EI maternity/parental leave.

I haven't seen it framed that way. Also, I think there are more effective ways to benefit all parents, rather than just the lucky few who live near a $10/day daycare, and who are lucky enough to get a spot.

 

[brihard]

I haven't seen it framed that way. Also, I think there are more effective ways to benefit all parents, rather than just the lucky few who live near a $10/day daycare, and who are lucky enough to get a spot.

You haven’t? Weird. Couples delaying having kids or choosing not to at all because of affordability has received plenty of coverage and discussion. I don’t think anyone is really challenging the link between affordability and fertility rates. Subsidized child care is one policy option among many that works in part to help with that. Nobody is pretending it’s a panacea.

Access to the program is obviously far from universal yet, but let’s not pretend the provinces and feds aren’t working to expand it. It takes time to build up a sufficient supply of providers. I think it’ll be a few more years before supply and demand reach equilibrium; it’s a pretty significant socioeconomic policy; those time to shake out to the point where they can be meaningfully evaluated for efficacy. Certainly it seems the parents who have access so far are finding the savings to be a significant financial relief.

Anyway- I think Ford’s government raising it as they did during the last week of the federal election is a bit of a shot at Poilievre. I’ll leave it at that.

 

[Remius]

https://338canada.com/federal.htm#google_vignette

Lots to digest here given we are in the homestretch and people lock in their voting decisions.

Vote intention is still stable but we are starting to see some widening of the seat projections.

Of note is the latest Léger poll (the most accurate poll on the list) and Mainstreet recalibrating back to the LPC a bit.

Mostly post weekend polling. We’ll see what the next few days bring and more importantly what Monday brings.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Gotta love those anonymous opinion articles, but that's exactly it, it's an opinion. If Carney's plan is a disaster, then Pierre's plan is Armageddon as written.

It’s not “anonymous” if it’s the opinion of the paper as a whole.

Mind you, Postmedia has received a ton of Liberal Filthy Media Luchre (to save local media while closing newsrooms & canning reporters) …

Postmedia Tells Shareholders $35 Million in Federal Government Handouts is Now a ‘Key Pillar’ of Its Business Strategy

Canada’s biggest newspaper chain says subsidies are for ‘welfare slackers’, but tells investors ‘government support’ is central to its business model

pressprogress.ca

… so can they REALLY be trusted?

 

[captloadie]

You haven’t? Weird. Couples delaying having kids or choosing not to at all because of affordability has received plenty of coverage and discussion. I don’t think anyone is really challenging the link between affordability and fertility rates. Subsidized child care is one policy option among many that works in part to help with that. Nobody is pretending it’s a panacea.

Access to the program is obviously far from universal yet, but let’s not pretend the provinces and feds aren’t working to expand it. It takes time to build up a sufficient supply of providers. I think it’ll be a few more years before supply and demand reach equilibrium; it’s a pretty significant socioeconomic policy; those time to shake out to the point where they can be meaningfully evaluated for efficacy. Certainly it seems the parents who have access so far are finding the savings to be a significant financial relief.

Anyway- I think Ford’s government raising it as they did during the last week of the federal election is a bit of a shot at Poilievre. I’ll leave it at that.

The childcare issue is the reason my wife took an interest in politics this year, did some online searching, and made a decision on voting for the party that she believes will benefit her moving forward. However, she is coming looking at it from a home care provider perspective, which no one is talking about really. She would like to see CWELC cancelled, or greatly modified. When she started her home daycare, she was accepted by a licensing agency, put in place the rules and policies they required by Ont law, and was then free to pick her clients, set her hours, choose what she charged, and make her own vacation/sick day/time off policies. Contracts were between her and the parents, and it was a free market. CWELC came in, and since its inception, she has seen her rates frozen, limits on when she can claim CWELC payments, and a limit put on how much paid time she can take off in a year. She is near opting out of the program, and reverting back to charging parents the full cost (between $50-$60 dollars a day).

I'm stuck in the middle, as I can see both sides of the issue. I feel for the parents, and think its a great benefit for them. I understand why certain rules have been implemented, because there were too many loopholes for providers to scam the system if they chose to. But I also understand my wife's frustration at trying to run a business, but having rules implemented that handcuff her.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Methinks the editors felt the need for some damage control after Ivison's unfiltered disapointment in Poilievre went to print

The wheels fell off PP's bus long before the election was called in my opinion. He was a 1 trick pony - attack Trudeau and that was it. As a life long Tory I am deeply disappointed at this wasted opportunity. The chances of winning this election are well under 10%. PP will need to resign and the Tory's need to bring in someone less divisive, someone who is NOT willing to pander to the disenfranchised NDP supporters and can beat more than just the 'tax cut' drums.

I look at what Carney has said (and its still 100% uncertain if that bugger will deliver on this, or on anything he's said) about investing in CDN quantum computing and AI and couple that directly with the 750$ million in new STEM money that Doug Ford has announced yesterday for Ontario Colleges/Universities and I see an incredible chance for those 2 policies to merge together and drive new innovation, technology, productivity and jobs in Ontario. I see this as a forward visioning direction - looking into the future to BUILD something tangible in Ontario/Canada. Where or what has PP said that is anything similar to this? Where is the platform on Corporate tax cuts from PP? Where is the platform for allowing CDN businesses better opportunities to invest in CDN technology or infrastructure?

I'm still not decided on how or who I'm voting for at this point. Gun to head right now, I spoil my vote. I can't stand the incompetent Liberal MP (K Gould) that I have but at the same time I just can't pull the trigger on voting for the Conservative candidate because I loath PP, his brand of populist politics and my belief that he's pandered to the disgruntled NDP voters. I had high hopes for the 'Centre Ice' individuals who had tried to gather like minded Tories into a new party and move forward, sadly it was not to be.

 

[Remius]

The wheels fell off PP's bus long before the election was called in my opinion. He was a 1 trick pony - attack Trudeau and that was it. As a life long Tory I am deeply disappointed at this wasted opportunity. The chances of winning this election are well under 10%. PP will need to resign and the Tory's need to bring in someone less divisive, someone who is NOT willing to pander to the disenfranchised NDP supporters and can beat more than just the 'tax cut' drums.

Ford?

I look at what Carney has said (and its still 100% uncertain if that bugger will deliver on this, or on anything he's said) about investing in CDN quantum computing and AI and couple that directly with the 750$ million in new STEM money that Doug Ford has announced yesterday for Ontario Colleges/Universities and I see an incredible chance for those 2 policies to merge together and drive new innovation, technology, productivity and jobs in Ontario. I see this as a forward visioning direction - looking into the future to BUILD something tangible in Ontario/Canada. Where or what has PP said that is anything similar to this? Where is the platform on Corporate tax cuts from PP? Where is the platform for allowing CDN businesses better opportunities to invest in CDN technology or infrastructure?

Agreed. That plan has a a lot more depth to it. Time will tell if they implement it.

I'm still not decided on how or who I'm voting for at this point. Gun to head right now, I spoil my vote. I can't stand the incompetent Liberal MP (K Gould) that I have but at the same time I just can't pull the trigger on voting for the Conservative candidate because I loath PP, his brand of populist politics and my belief that he's pandered to the disgruntled NDP voters. I had high hopes for the 'Centre Ice' individuals who had tried to gather like minded Tories into a new party and move forward, sadly it was not to be.

I hope that the CFP at least gets some portion of the vote. I could see them back in the fold under a far less divisive leader. My hope is PP gets removed and the pick someone else.