2025 Federal Election - 28 Apr 25

[captloadie]

I'm in a safe conservative riding, and the MP will easily be re-elected. The fact that I'm both an undecided voter, and party agnostic makes me feel like my vote either way won't matter in this election. However, I have a question for the ardent, true blue conservative supporters on the forum, if the Conservatives don't win, where would you lay the blame:
1) Pierre Poilievre - either the inability for him to keep the anti-liberal sentiments going, or some overall mistrust in his leadership
2) Conservative Platform - there wasn't enough there to swing centrists to vote blue for no other reason than change
3) Mark Carney and his ability to change the narrative (whether it is all lies and fluff or not)
4) The Canadian Public - not understanding or caring about the political landscape enough

 

[Czech_pivo]

I'm in a safe conservative riding, and the MP will easily be re-elected. The fact that I'm both an undecided voter, and party agnostic makes me feel like my vote either way won't matter in this election. However, I have a question for the ardent, true blue conservative supporters on the forum, if the Conservatives don't win, where would you lay the blame:
1) Pierre Poilievre - either the inability for him to keep the anti-liberal sentiments going, or some overall mistrust in his leadership
2) Conservative Platform - there wasn't enough there to swing centrists to vote blue for no other reason than change
3) Mark Carney and his ability to change the narrative (whether it is all lies and fluff or not)
4) The Canadian Public - not understanding or caring about the political landscape enough

For me #3 is not even an option - you can't go through life (or politics) pointing the finger at others and blaming them if you are not willing to first point the finger at yourself and blame yourself first.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I'm in a safe conservative riding, and the MP will easily be re-elected. The fact that I'm both an undecided voter, and party agnostic makes me feel like my vote either way won't matter in this election. However, I have a question for the ardent, true blue conservative supporters on the forum, if the Conservatives don't win, where would you lay the blame:
1) Pierre Poilievre - either the inability for him to keep the anti-liberal sentiments going, or some overall mistrust in his leadership
2) Conservative Platform - there wasn't enough there to swing centrists to vote blue for no other reason than change
3) Mark Carney and his ability to change the narrative (whether it is all lies and fluff or not)
4) The Canadian Public - not understanding or caring about the political landscape enough

5) The Trump effect...

 

[Furniture]

You haven’t? Weird. Couples delaying having kids or choosing not to at all because of affordability has received plenty of coverage and discussion. I don’t think anyone is really challenging the link between affordability and fertility rates. Subsidized child care is one policy option among many that works in part to help with that. Nobody is pretending it’s a panacea.

Access to the program is obviously far from universal yet, but let’s not pretend the provinces and feds aren’t working to expand it. It takes time to build up a sufficient supply of providers. I think it’ll be a few more years before supply and demand reach equilibrium; it’s a pretty significant socioeconomic policy; those time to shake out to the point where they can be meaningfully evaluated for efficacy. Certainly it seems the parents who have access so far are finding the savings to be a significant financial relief.

Anyway- I think Ford’s government raising it as they did during the last week of the federal election is a bit of a shot at Poilievre. I’ll leave it at that.

There is a difference between framing it as an affordability issue, and a strategic sustainability problem.

On to the meat of it, Quebec has had the programme fo4 decades and hasn't found a way to make it eff3ctive and equal, so why do we imagine the LPC will change that?

If the end goal was more babies in Canadian homes, there are better ways to address affordability than subsidized daycare for a few. There is a whole thread about it, so I'm not going down that rabbit hole here, beyond reiterating the whole $10/day daycare promise is about vote buying from suburban middle class families, who think they will win the daycare lottery.

As much as the CPC take crap for "boutique" tax breaks, the $10/day daycare is the same thing dressed in a disguise.

 

[YZT580]

Those are my federal income tax dollars coming directly back to me in a tangible and identifiable way. If the feds cut the program, they wont reduce my taxes, they will just spend it somewhere else. So, why in the hell would I want to pay more in taxes via a provincial tax increase?

Because the feds should be spending your money on things that are federal: like airports, railway infrastructure to get products to market, like ports, like defense, like maybe pipelines and refineries, and finally, at least for this list, developing rare earth mining infrastructure. Every dollar going into daycare is deficit spending. Those lucky little ones learning what A is will be paying for that privilege for decades

 

[MilEME09]

For me #3 is not even an option - you can't go through life (or politics) pointing the finger at others and blaming them if you are not willing to first point the finger at yourself and blame yourself first.

thats part of the issue I see with the CPC right now, arenèt able to blame them selves when their polling collapsed

 

[IKnowNothing]

I'm still not decided on how or who I'm voting for at this point. Gun to head right now, I spoil my vote. I can't stand the incompetent Liberal MP (K Gould) that I have but at the same time I just can't pull the trigger on voting for the Conservative candidate because I loath PP, his brand of populist politics and my belief that he's pandered to the disgruntled NDP voters. I had high hopes for the 'Centre Ice' individuals who had tried to gather like minded Tories into a new party and move forward, sadly it was not to be.

I'm a big fan of Alex Ruff, and was willing to plug my nose and vote for him despite the association with PP up until yesterday. Alex will win either way, so not sure if I'll spoil or vote red to contribute in some small way to the electoral repudiation of the Poilievre/ Byrne CPC.

I don't like the extravagance of Carney's spending plan- but we need an adult in the chair right now, not the Reform version of Trudeau (manipulative populist ideologue with zero depth). That adult should have been wearing blue, so like you I'm incredibly frustrated that there is a very good chance that this opportunity will have been sacrificed at the alter of an unserious man's ambition.

 

[Good2Golf]

I'm still not decided on how or who I'm voting for at this point. Gun to head right now, I spoil my vote. I can't stand the incompetent Liberal MP (K Gould) that I have but at the same time I just can't pull the trigger on voting for the Conservative candidate because I loath PP, his brand of populist politics and my belief that he's pandered to the disgruntled NDP voters. I had high hopes for the 'Centre Ice' individuals who had tried to gather like minded Tories into a new party and move forward, sadly it was not to be.

Too bad the Canada Future Party doesn’t have a candidate in Burlington.

I hope that the CFP at least gets some portion of the vote. I could see them back in the fold under a far less divisive leader. My hope is PP gets removed and the pick someone else.

I’m glad there was a CFP candidate in my riding.

 

[YZT580]

I'm in a safe conservative riding, and the MP will easily be re-elected. The fact that I'm both an undecided voter, and party agnostic makes me feel like my vote either way won't matter in this election. However, I have a question for the ardent, true blue conservative supporters on the forum, if the Conservatives don't win, where would you lay the blame:
1) Pierre Poilievre - either the inability for him to keep the anti-liberal sentiments going, or some overall mistrust in his leadership
2) Conservative Platform - there wasn't enough there to swing centrists to vote blue for no other reason than change
3) Mark Carney and his ability to change the narrative (whether it is all lies and fluff or not)
4) The Canadian Public - not understanding or caring about the political landscape enough

none of the above. I see it as the shiny new car syndrome. The liberals have been building up Carney as the savior for at least the last six months. They "gave in" to the polls, dumped Trudeau, and appointed Carney (the election was a sham). He immediately flew to Europe and was seen meeting the right people, climbing out of our brand new airbus and then flew back via the north to make a prime ministerial announcement there. After suspending the gas tax which deflated PP's position, he purposely clouded the waters re: carbon taxation and called an election for the shortest time possible so people wouldn't discover the real Carney. He is a liar and the worst thing that could happen to this country. If you thought Trudeau was bad

 

[Remius]

I'm in a safe conservative riding, and the MP will easily be re-elected. The fact that I'm both an undecided voter, and party agnostic makes me feel like my vote either way won't matter in this election. However, I have a question for the ardent, true blue conservative supporters on the forum, if the Conservatives don't win, where would you lay the blame:
1) Pierre Poilievre - either the inability for him to keep the anti-liberal sentiments going, or some overall mistrust in his leadership

The problem is hard core conservatives refuse to see that PP is part of the issue. The polls were in his favour when an even less popular leader was running. He’s actually polling lower than his own party. Then add a chunk of PC types that left and may even be working against him. (Ie Ford etc)

2) Conservative Platform - there wasn't enough there to swing centrists to vote blue for no other reason than change

They had two years to get this right. Wanting an election now! Ready to take over etc. Everyone said they needed to keep it on the downlow, keep the powder dry. Then waited until the last week to reveal what looks like last minute homework. They now get to spend the last few days on the defensive. Weird play.

3) Mark Carney and his ability to change the narrative (whether it is all lies and fluff or not)

No ability on Carney’s part but an inability on the CPC to pivot and get with the new issues concerning Canadians. They kept their old playbook.

4) The Canadian Public - not understanding or caring about the political landscape enough

They drive the political landscape though. The CPC are the ones that failed to understand and care about that.

5) the Trump effect. Basically see point 4). PP spent more time telling everyone he wasn’t the PM when asked what he would do facing trump. That defined him in this. He changed when he finally caught on but by then the damage was done. He could have been Caotain Canada but his fence sitting let someone else fill that space.

Of course this could all be academic and he manages to pull off a comeback win.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Too bad the Canada Future Party doesn’t have a candidate in Burlington.


I’m glad there was a CFP candidate in my riding.

Ok - Mea Cupla - I'm wrong.

I typed in the 'CFP' and the first link I looked at was the Canada First Party - NOT the Canada Future Party. Sorry!!


Have you guys read any of the CFP 'Manifesto', they platform? They make the NDP look pro-business!!

"Overhaul of Banking System: Banks will no longer operate as profit-driven entities at the expense of the people. Interest rates will be strictly regulated by the national bank to prevent excessive charging. Banks will transition to "Financial Service Centers," facilitating transactions without exploiting customers"
"Capping Employment Contracts: All citizen contracts, including those of athletes, entertainers, etc., will be capped at $5 million per year. This encompasses all forms of compensation, fostering greater income equality across sectors"
"Profit Cap for Business Entities, Churches, and Schools: Every business entity, church, and school in the country will be permitted to earn a maximum annual profit of $500 million. Should this threshold be reached ahead of schedule, the entity can opt to reduce the cost of goods or forward the surplus to the CRA for distribution to Canadian citizens through quarterly direct deposits."

You guys are kidding right? I could never, ever, vote for this CFP entity. Its smacks of Communism, full stop.

Welcome - Canada First Party

Building a Country for Every Citizen At the Canada First Party, we are dedicated to creating a prosperous, fair, and empowered future for all Canadians. Our innovative policies focus on stimulating economic growth, promoting social inclusivity, ensuring environmental sustainability, and...

canadafirst2024.ca

 

[OldSolduer]

We Canadians love handouts but don’t love paying for them.
Maybe handouts need to stop

 

[Brad Sallows]

Disagree.

Lot of tax dollars go to I direct and intangible things. Since everyone loves misrepresent the "green slush fund" I'll use that as an example. Tax dollars going to "good ideas" for research or testing of potential new products/technologies. That's not money going directly to the betterment of a person's life; that's money going to pay for overhead of a project that may or may not lead to anything tangible sometime down the road.

Everyone drawing a salary/wage from something publicly-funded is directly and tangibly benefiting. Not all of them are doing things that are worthwhile or a responsibility of government.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Have you guys read any of the CFP 'Manifesto', they platform? They make the NDP look pro-business!!

"Overhaul of Banking System: Banks will no longer operate as profit-driven entities at the expense of the people. Interest rates will be strictly regulated by the national bank to prevent excessive charging. Banks will transition to "Financial Service Centers," facilitating transactions without exploiting customers"
"Capping Employment Contracts: All citizen contracts, including those of athletes, entertainers, etc., will be capped at $5 million per year. This encompasses all forms of compensation, fostering greater income equality across sectors"
"Profit Cap for Business Entities, Churches, and Schools: Every business entity, church, and school in the country will be permitted to earn a maximum annual profit of $500 million. Should this threshold be reached ahead of schedule, the entity can opt to reduce the cost of goods or forward the surplus to the CRA for distribution to Canadian citizens through quarterly direct deposits."

You guys are kidding right? I could never, ever, vote for this CFP entity. Its smacks of Communism, full stop.

Welcome - Canada First Party

Building a Country for Every Citizen At the Canada First Party, we are dedicated to creating a prosperous, fair, and empowered future for all Canadians. Our innovative policies focus on stimulating economic growth, promoting social inclusivity, ensuring environmental sustainability, and...

canadafirst2024.ca

Different CFP- Canadian Future Party, formerly Centre Ice Conservatives

The Canadian Future Party - Not Left. Not Right. Forward! Your Centrist Political Alternative in Canada.

A new centrist political movement focused on evidence-based policy, democratic values, and real solutions for Canada’s future. Join the Canadian Future Party today.

www.thecanadianfutureparty.ca

 

[mariomike]

We Canadians love handouts but don’t love paying for them.

We want to get there fast, but don't want to pay for the ride.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I haven't seen it framed that way. Also, I think there are more effective ways to benefit all parents, rather than just the lucky few who live near a $10/day daycare, and who are lucky enough to get a spot.

There is. You give them all an equal subsidy and let them decide whether and how to spend it. There will be a lot of different solutions, mostly tailored to fit families' specific circumstances instead of "any daycare you want, as long as it is black (and you luck out finding one)".

 

[Czech_pivo]

Different CFP- Canadian Future Party, formerly Centre Ice Conservatives

The Canadian Future Party - Not Left. Not Right. Forward! Your Centrist Political Alternative in Canada.

A new centrist political movement focused on evidence-based policy, democratic values, and real solutions for Canada’s future. Join the Canadian Future Party today.

www.thecanadianfutureparty.ca

Yes! I just edited my first post! I'm sorry about that. I looked at the first link for CFP and I got the one that I first posted. Totally different platforms!

 

[IKnowNothing]

people wouldn't discover the real Carney. He is a liar and the worst thing that could happen to this country. If you thought Trudeau was bad

The one that informed observers/ insiders know was being heavily recruited by both Blue and Red prior to "going green"? The one that has worked well with and is/was highly regarded by conservative governments in two different G7 nations ?

Or the guy that Jenni Byrne invented because the above guy stood in her path?

 

[Lumber]

If you thought Trudeau was bad

... then Carney will be a breath of fresh air? Is that how you meant to end your sentence?

 

[Remius]

Yes! I just edited my first post! I'm sorry about that. I looked at the first link for CFP and I got the one that I first posted. Totally different platforms!

It’s the platform the CPC could have had, heck the CFP was begging for anyone to steal their ideas.