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We need to stop pandering to that demographic.

The aging Baby Boomer (increasingly left wing focused) demographic is deciding who's in government these days, so we'd better get used to that pandering continuing for the foreseeable future ... for example:

FIRST READING: The boomer/millennial divide defining the Canadian election​


In a near-unprecedented phenomenon for any Western democracy, the Canadian election is shaping up into a battle between young people who want a conservative government, and seniors who want to retain a progressive status quo.

This is the exact reverse of how these things usually go, and is indicative of a Canada in which younger cohorts have been disproportionately impacted by wage stagnation and rising unaffordability.

Leader Mark Carney is being driven largely by seniors — and that if the election was decided solely by younger voters it would be an easy Conservative victory.

Poll respondents over the age of 55 were the single strongest cohort for the Liberals, polling higher than any other demographic except for Atlantic Canadians. Among seniors, 52 per cent indicated their intention to vote Liberal, against just 34 per cent leaning Conservative.

In the younger age cohorts, the Conservatives were the clear favourite. Among voters aged 18 to 34, it was 39 per cent Conservative to 37 per cent Liberal. Among those aged 35 to 54 set, it was 42 per cent Conservative to 38 per cent Liberal.

An Abacus Data poll also released on Tuesday found a massive generation gap in what voters thought this election was about.

 
I'm in an inner city single family home and we have community mail boxes.
I'm in a small town, single family home and I have a community mail box. I was just wondering why Brad Swallows was specifying low population, high density areas when they are the most likely to have community boxes already.
 
Small island community in rural QC where we have a family cottage. The post office is ten minutes drive max from anywhere on the island. 5 min walk for anyone “downtown”. A community box would be just fine as it’s near a busy bakery and the local general store and church.

I bet mail delivery to the door takes half a day if not more right now vs a few mins if they had a centralized box.
 
There might be a private business model to be had in remote areas in a service that goes to your communal box and brings you your mail.
Seeing as it is CP's box and CP's lock and key, I can envision government lawyers having kittens over such a proposal.

We need to stop pandering to that demographic.
One generation's pandering is another's wide-based public services.
 
The aging Baby Boomer (increasingly left wing focused) demographic is deciding who's in government these days, so we'd better get used to that pandering continuing for the foreseeable future ... for example:

FIRST READING: The boomer/millennial divide defining the Canadian election​


In a near-unprecedented phenomenon for any Western democracy, the Canadian election is shaping up into a battle between young people who want a conservative government, and seniors who want to retain a progressive status quo.

This is the exact reverse of how these things usually go, and is indicative of a Canada in which younger cohorts have been disproportionately impacted by wage stagnation and rising unaffordability.

Leader Mark Carney is being driven largely by seniors — and that if the election was decided solely by younger voters it would be an easy Conservative victory.

Poll respondents over the age of 55 were the single strongest cohort for the Liberals, polling higher than any other demographic except for Atlantic Canadians. Among seniors, 52 per cent indicated their intention to vote Liberal, against just 34 per cent leaning Conservative.

In the younger age cohorts, the Conservatives were the clear favourite. Among voters aged 18 to 34, it was 39 per cent Conservative to 37 per cent Liberal. Among those aged 35 to 54 set, it was 42 per cent Conservative to 38 per cent Liberal.

An Abacus Data poll also released on Tuesday found a massive generation gap in what voters thought this election was about.

The issues I always have with these are that they are just polls, use 55+ so everyone goes boomers when the boomers are 61+ and states that the boomers are deciding who is in government even though they are outnumbered by the younger generations. It is the other generations (X, Y and some Z) that are deciding the government. I make sure my kids go vote if they are of age by dragging them there as a group outing. They can decide who to vote for, don't have to tell me who they vote for but they will go vote.
 
There might be a private business model to be had in remote areas in a service that goes to your communal box and brings you your mail.
If there was money to be made that way, I suspect businesses would be flocking to it.
One generation's pandering is another's wide-based public services.
Or another’s “who the hell helped build this country, dagnabit!?!”
 
I remember how, back in the mid ‘70s, Postmaster General Bryce Mackesey got so frustrated with the constant alternating strikes of the two postal unions that he said “Those bastards just don’t want to work.” Very little has changed since then except for the fact that the post office is far less important in the lives of Canadians today.

Coincidentally, an open letter penned by a postie... aka 'keeping our neighborhoods safe' ;)

Dear Sirs,

I have been a Canada Post Letter Carrier in Winnipeg, MB since 2017. Previously, I had attained my Bachelor of Commerce (Honours), worked as a Marketing Analyst, and held numerous sales positions, with recognition for top sales, outstanding customer service, and mentorship in several industries. Having stayed home to raise our children, while developing a home business, I came to the decision to work as a letter carrier out of a desire to serve the community, bringing a level of maturity and customer service excellence that has been appreciated by business owners and homeowners on my routes.

The management team that took over in 2018 came largely from the private sector, working for companies such as Coca-Cola, and are largely unfamiliar and unaware of the extent of the role we provide. Decisions that are made are done so with no input from employees, and are not in the best interest of Canada Post, its employees or Canadians we serve. The management team felt they had a mandate to modernize Canada Post, with new electric vehicles, a new $400 million plant in the Toronto area, and carbon credits to make Canada Post appear to be climate-friendly, from a marketing perspective. This excessive spending of up to $1 billion per year before improving the revenue stream by diversifying our revenue sources, focus on sales opportunities, and increasing pricing to keep pace with inflation, led to the losses which have been widely publicized.

Labour costs, however, remained flat, as letter carrier wages were frozen since 2018, with no movement in the pay bracket except for two $1/hour increases during the pandemic. The pay bracket was $20 to $28 per hour, and letter carriers would move up the pay bracket once they passed their 400 hour probationary period, at a rate of $1 per hour per year. Once reaching the eighth year post-probation, their wage is capped, with no more increases, for the length of their career, unless a new contract is agreed to by CUPW and Canada Post. At the time of the strike, letter carriers earned between $22 and $30 per hour.

The current probationary period of 400 hours takes about 18 months to accumulate. The turnover rate for new staff is dismally high, with up to 80% quitting or being dismissed before reaching 400 cumulative hours. These new carriers would never have qualified for benefits or pay increases before leaving Canada Post.

Management intends to raise the probationary period to 1000 hours, which could take 3 to 4 years, which means constant recruitment, training, and more carriers earning the bottom of the pay scale, with no benefits.

Labour costs are not the reason for Canada Post’s increased expenses, since this management team started in 2018. The main reason the massive increase in expenses, and resulting losses, is the mega projects, which management felt they had a mandate to pursue, in the interest of modernizing Canada Post.

Meanwhile, Canada Post Management petitioned the federal government to lift salary caps for management, in order to attract more executive talent. Moreover, management qualifies for bonuses, which are not dependent on profitability.

Compared to other delivery companies, such as UPS, FedEx, and DHL, Canada Post Letter Carriers earn up to 30% less, while we are the ones who walk up to 25 km per day, in addition to delivering parcels, which can take a toll, as injury rates are among the highest, compared to other professions

Here are some of the qualitative aspects of the role we provide:

The role we serve is vital for our communities. We’re the first to know if something’s not quite right – an open screen door, a broken window, graffiti, or even a garage fire – all have happened on my routes.

We may be the first responder in an emergency, a senior has gotten lost on their walk, or a homeowner in crisis is unble to call for help.

We’re the first to know if a homeowner has had a death in the family, is renovating a second house down the street, or if they’re planning a move. We let people know about our relocation and hold services, to ensure they get their mail at their new house, and their personal information and parcels are kept safe while they’re away.

We recognize when someone’s mail is misaddressed, and we can easily get it to its intended recipient, since we know our routes.

We’re the first ones to see if another delivery company has tossed a parcel on someone’s sidewalk and driven away, while the homeowner is completely unaware. On a typical day, I come across eight to ten parcels that had been left in front of a house, and I am the one who rings and knocks to let the homeowner know. Most people are home at the time and appreciate me for letting them know.

We are not just labourers. We are grossly undervalued by our own management; yet, we are highly valued by the neighbourhoods we serve. Our daily actions in taking care of our communities have earned us the coveted reputation as Canada‘s most trusted workforce – putting us above firefighters and nurses! Warm and fuzzy Instagram posts do not build the Canada Post “brand.” We do!

The giant tech companies like Amazon, Google, and Meta are so highly valued, because the most valuable thing that they have is customer data – in a creepy way, they know all about you. For Canada Post, it is our 55,000 letter carriers in communities across the country that know you, in a very personal way.

Those personal relationships are key in delivering excellent customer service, well beyond stuffing envelopes in boxes. We are the only shipping company that delivers to every address across the country, every day. We can never take for granted our exclusive responsibility for your mail – it is a privilege to serve our neighbourhoods.

As I like to say to the business owners on my route, “I am your shipping department” – I am grateful for the trust placed in me and Canada Post for handling their incoming and outgoing shipments, while they serve their customers. It is a pleasure to know the homeowners on my route, and to help keep the neighbourhood safe.

On behalf of 55,000 Canada Post Letter Carriers, thank you for welcoming us as a valued member of the community – we are proud to serve!

Sincerely,

Your Friendly Neighbourhood Letter Carrier
 
If there was money to be made that way, I suspect businesses would be flocking to it.
Telcos and other utilities deal with governmental pressures to serve "all Canadians" by the simple expedient of using profitable "routes" to subsidize never-profitable ones. The problem is that governments have other sources of revenue they use to avoid the political unpleasantness of requiring users of potentially profitable "routes" to actually pay profitable prices (eg. ferry service, transit, post) that could achieve the necessary balance.

Since someone is bound to trot out the "Aha, but roads are free!" line, try to imagine the congestion where "bandwidth" is really limited if fares did not exist to cause people to choose between paying a fare or doing something else. Regardless, we already know that sometimes a road toll makes sense to deal with a potential demand-supply imbalance.

Explicit user-pay pricing is awesome for allocating resources. It's imperfectly "fair", but like democracy is better than all the others.
 
Coincidentally, an open letter penned by a postie... aka 'keeping our neighborhoods safe'
I just need a service that doesn't occasionally put my neighbours' mail in my box (community or home, doesn't matter) or vice versa. All the automated stuff that sorts and directs and redirects...is automated.
 
Telcos and other utilities deal with governmental pressures to serve "all Canadians" by the simple expedient of using profitable "routes" to subsidize never-profitable ones. The problem is that governments have other sources of revenue they use to avoid the political unpleasantness of requiring users of potentially profitable "routes" to actually pay profitable prices (eg. ferry service, transit, post) that could achieve the necessary balance.

Since someone is bound to trot out the "Aha, but roads are free!" line, try to imagine the congestion where "bandwidth" is really limited if fares did not exist to cause people to choose between paying a fare or doing something else. Regardless, we already know that sometimes a road toll makes sense to deal with a potential demand-supply imbalance.

Explicit user-pay pricing is awesome for allocating resources. It's imperfectly "fair", but like democracy is better than all the others.
Roads are anything but free.

The majority are provided at no cost to the users, but all levels of government spend horrific amounts of money on them. Much like every other government program that gives stuff away at no cost, any attempt to charge users will be resisted to the end.
 
Roads are anything but free.

The majority are provided at no cost to the users, but all levels of government spend horrific amounts of money on them. Much like every other government program that gives stuff away at no cost, any attempt to charge users will be resisted to the end.
Pretty much every user is a taxpayer in some respect. Surely it was obvious that by "free" I meant the lack of a point-of-use fee?

Roads are better than the alternative.
 
I just need a service that doesn't occasionally put my neighbours' mail in my box (community or home, doesn't matter) or vice versa. All the automated stuff that sorts and directs and redirects...is automated.
I am in agreement.

Also, despite what the letter writer imagines, posties are not first responders.
 
Nor a lot of other things they claim (unless they are creeping you).
Setting that aside, should we just ignore the allegation that "going green" has damaged many business models?

"The management team that took over in 2018 came largely from the private sector, working for companies such as Coca-Cola, and are largely unfamiliar and unaware of the extent of the role we provide. Decisions that are made are done so with no input from employees, and are not in the best interest of Canada Post, its employees or Canadians we serve. The management team felt they had a mandate to modernize Canada Post, with new electric vehicles, a new $400 million plant in the Toronto area, and carbon credits to make Canada Post appear to be climate-friendly, from a marketing perspective. This excessive spending of up to $1 billion per year before improving the revenue stream by diversifying our revenue sources, focus on sales opportunities, and increasing pricing to keep pace with inflation, led to the losses which have been widely publicized."

This part seems par for course in the Trudeau government era.
 
Roads are anything but free.

The majority are provided at no cost to the users, but all levels of government spend horrific amounts of money on them. Much like every other government program that gives stuff away at no cost, any attempt to charge users will be resisted to the end.
Actually out here we spend horrendous amounts of money on Skytrain, which will never pay for itself. The roads are paid for by a combination of property, gas and parking taxes. These graphics are old but things have not changed much, there was only a brief few years before Covid that Transit broke even.

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Actually out here we spend horrendous amounts of money on Skytrain, which will never pay for itself. The roads are paid for by a combination of property, gas and parking taxes. These graphics are old but things have not changed much, there was only a brief few years before Covid that Transit broke even.

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If all SkyTrain riders were instead driving single occupant vehicles, how much more would road cost, including additional time?
 
If all SkyTrain riders were instead driving single occupant vehicles, how much more would road cost, including additional time?
Problem with Skytrain and Translink in general is they are really working on a now obsolete model. Skytrain works really well to move large volumes of people to certain hub points. The problem is those hub points being downtown and now UBC are actually seeing declines in usage and WFH and technology is going to continue to be disruptive of their transit modelling.

Roadways are multi-use with commercial, private, work, recreational usage, along with being infrastructure corridors. Skytrain is a one trick pony and can't easily be shifted as population behaviours shift. Buses are more labour intensive, but can be easily shifted to meet demand or cut to meet budget restraints. I personal question how much thought they have put into long term usage of the new lines they are building. I support the one going out into the valley, but not the UBC one. I also don't support increasing taxes on drivers to pay for it. I am already going to have to pay $700+ extra for the Metro Van boondoggle of a treatment plant.
 
Setting that aside, should we just ignore the allegation that "going green" has damaged many business models?

"The management team that took over in 2018 came largely from the private sector, working for companies such as Coca-Cola, and are largely unfamiliar and unaware of the extent of the role we provide. Decisions that are made are done so with no input from employees, and are not in the best interest of Canada Post, its employees or Canadians we serve. The management team felt they had a mandate to modernize Canada Post, with new electric vehicles, a new $400 million plant in the Toronto area, and carbon credits to make Canada Post appear to be climate-friendly, from a marketing perspective. This excessive spending of up to $1 billion per year before improving the revenue stream by diversifying our revenue sources, focus on sales opportunities, and increasing pricing to keep pace with inflation, led to the losses which have been widely publicized."

This part seems par for course in the Trudeau government era.
Setting aside your distaste for much of anything 'green', the writer obviously has an axe to grind, and I will suggest it is a union axe.

Matters such as diversifying revenue sources, sales and pricing are largely determined by the government. As a Crown Corporation, CP can only do what the government allows it to do. CP has a monopoly on letter mail and I suppose the government could increase the basic letter rate to $10 but it has chosen not to.

I'm an advocate for basic banking services like they do in the UK. Banks have been retreating from small communities for years leaving a gap. it has been recommended in the past but, alas, the government has chosen not to act on it.
 
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