Is it time to list ANTIFA as a criminal or terrorist organization?

[Fishbone Jones]

What is remigration?
What is the etymology of the word?
What groups does remigration include?

Remigration - what does it mean?

A short explanation of Remigration by Martin Sellner.

whatis.remigration.eu

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Sounds like they're promoting early onset diabetes while using kids as human shields

That would explain the ice cream truck. The fatter the kid, the more coverage the 'shield' would have.

 

[ModlrMike]

Antifa claims to be anti fascist, yet they conduct themselves in the best traditions of the Brownshirts on Kristalnacht.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Antifa claims to be anti fascist, yet they conduct themselves in the best traditions of the Brownshirts on Kristalnacht.

That is typical of the left though. Whether it be democrat politicians or hooligans.

They tend to accuse the other side of the exact actions they themselves are guilty of.

 

[markppcli]

Perhaps the problem isn't that antifa doesn't meet the definition or standard to be classified as a terrorist or criminal entity, but rather the problem is that antifa have found a new model that doesn't meet the legal test and therefore perhaps laws and legal definitions need to be rewritten. As an example, after 9/11 terrorism laws were rewritten to counter new global new terrorist networks such as AQ and ISIS. Maybe the question governments should be addressing is how to counter leaderless, structureless, fluidly changing, online-driven movements where criminal laws do not suffice? I would posit that current terrorist and criminal organizations are already watching and learning from antifa actions and will adopt those tactics that work for them, as they tend to do.

So you’re suggesting we police people’s views?

 

[brihard]

If you want to call it remigration, another stupid buzzword, instead of calling for the removal of illegal aliens, deportation and the normal words we've used for generations, you do you.

“Remigration” is not some made up buzzword. It’s a well known and understood call for specific action.

It’s also a term specifically chosen for use by the organizer of the Toronto rally.



Any honest discussion of the event will need to content with that objective fact.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

“Remigration” is not some made up buzzword. It’s a well known and understood call for specific action.

It’s also a term specifically chosen for use by the organizer of the Toronto rally.

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Any honest discussion of the event will need to content with that objective fact.

Read the article I cited.

 

[HavokFour]

Read the article I cited.

Remigration - what does it mean?

A short explanation of Remigration by Martin Sellner.

whatis.remigration.eu

Group C is the entire issue. That can be applied to literally anyone depending on who is picking which groups including citizens deserve to be kicked out. I hate to use "slippery slope" but that could easily be the posterchild for it.

By the way, what a very interesting individual leading that group you've linked.

You wonder why 'remigration' is associated with a certain ideology?

If it quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

EDIT: To clarify before my head gets bitten off, you are not the one I am calling a duck.

 

[brihard]

Read the article I cited.

Posting Martin Sellner’s propaganda site isn’t exactly the compelling refutation you think it is. Obviously an avowed white nationalist is going to try to whitewash remigration. David Duke would probably write a really compelling history on the KKK as well.

Appropriately, though, the thread has now come rather hilariously full circle back to the subject of designating groups as criminal for their patterns of criminality and hatred.

Martin Sellner: The new face of the far right in Europe - BBC News

He's the far right's newest poster boy – but Martin Sellner’s insistence that his far-right group is non-violent doesn’t have everyone convinced.

www.bbc.com

Were you simply unaware of who Sellner is, or did you know and nonetheless consider him credible? I suspect it’s just the first but I have to ask, because you just swallowed the propaganda of a particularly notorious hate monger hook, line, and sinker. Granted he’s not as well known in North America if you don’t watch that space, so I don’t blame you for not knowing. But now you do.

 

[Lumber]

What is remigration?
What is the etymology of the word?
What groups does remigration include?

Remigration - what does it mean?

A short explanation of Remigration by Martin Sellner.

whatis.remigration.eu

Semantics aside, i'd still appreciate an answer to my question.

 

[Genetk44]

Sounds like they're promoting early onset diabetes while using kids as human shields

Posting Martin Sellner’s propaganda site isn’t exactly the compelling refutation you think it is. Obviously an avowed white nationalist is going to try to whitewash remigration. David Duke would probably write a really compelling history on the KKK as well.

Appropriately, though, the thread has now come rather hilariously full circle back to the subject of designating groups as criminal for their patterns of criminality and hatred.

Martin Sellner: The new face of the far right in Europe - BBC News

He's the far right's newest poster boy – but Martin Sellner’s insistence that his far-right group is non-violent doesn’t have everyone convinced.

www.bbc.com

Were you simply unaware of who Sellner is, or did you know and nonetheless consider him credible? I suspect it’s just the first but I have to ask, because you just swallowed the propaganda of a particularly notorious hate monger hook, line, and sinker. Granted he’s not as well known in North America if you don’t watch that space, so I don’t blame you for not knowing. But now you do.

I had never heard of Sellner until a few minutes ago when I read the article. As a secular,non-practising jew the first 3 paragraphs sent shivers down my spine…..half-way through the article I was nauseous. It’s just re-packaged Nazi ethnic racism slightly prettied-up with 21st century verbiage and cherry-picked photos. The whole proposal is dangerous and completely open to awful abuses of the most egregious kind.

 

[Quirky]

My concern, is stopping young university kids (for the most part) getting wrapped up in this movement. I am all for opinions and free speech, but when these clowns consistently strike and beat people, no way, it needs to stop.

Majority of the violence seems to be coming from the Toronto areas, here in Canada anyway. Liberals beating up liberals. You get what you vote for.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Majority of the violence seems to be coming from the Toronto areas, here in Canada anyway. Liberals beating up liberals. You get what you vote for.

To be fair this kid probably hasn't joined a party yet.

Boy, 12, and man charged after unhoused man killed in unprovoked attack, Toronto police say

 

[FJAG]

Read the article I cited.

I did mate. Based on that article the First Nations of this country would have the right to put us all on boats and ship us back to Europe et. al.

This sounds like the second Austrian supermesch trying to change the world in his own image.

I had never heard of Sellner until a few minutes ago when I read the article. As a secular,non-practising jew the first 3 paragraphs sent shivers down my spine

Hell, as a secular German immigrant from deep in the heart of Prussia it sent shivers down my spine. I'm not sure how far my blue eyes would go to save me in his world. I tend to lean a little liberal.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I googled remigration. It was one of the first hits. I read it and thought the historical etymology of the word differed from the present connotation.

I had no idea who the author was.

Anyway, I can see I'm already being prepped for a painting, so I'll just bow out now. My views on the subject were posted earlier. Forget the remigration slant. I'll eat crow on that point.

 

[brihard]

I googled remigration. It was one of the first hits. I read it and thought the historical etymology of the word differed from the present connotation.

I had no idea who the author was.

Anyway, I can see I'm already being prepped for a painting, so I'll just bow out now. My views on the subject were posted earlier. Forget the remigration slant. I'll eat crow on that point.

Fair and understandable. He makes a slick website, I’ll give him that.

 

[ArmyRick]

While we hyper focus on one protest, remember the point, antifa shows up in force time and time again to cause mayhem

I noted those that condemned the trucker movement are awfully dismissive of the damage antifa causes

Lets be clear, I realize remigration is a really bad idea (Don't throw the baby out with the bath water) but antifa is anti-deportation at any level, and folks, they ain't realistic, Truth be told, antifa is anti-anything conservative or slightly right leaning.

On the who needs to leave
-TFWs, FS and any other temporary resident on work/study visa when their visa expire (They really got to stop allowing them from seeking asylum which is acknowledge by both sides of the political isle as abusing the system)
-Criminals who upon conviction (that are here on any temporary measure), and judges need to stop easing up on sentences for people to better their chance of staying. Yeah it was really happening, several cases were brought up this past summer by MP Larry Brock (former Crown attorney)

 

[brihard]

While we hyper focus on one protest, remember the point, antifa shows up in force time and time again to cause mayhem

I noted those that condemned the trucker movement are awfully dismissive of the damage antifa causes

Well no, you introduce a subject based in large part on reporting on and your observations about a specific individual protest, and we said “ok, let’s look at that”.

But again, you seem to be using ‘Antifa’ as a catch-all that encompasses basically any counter-protest to right wing movements, and you act as if there’s a cohesive entity that can be so defined. That doesn’t actually reflect reality in terms of their being some big structured organization or entity. Individual acts of criminality and disorder - and absolutely they do happen - do not mean that there’s some overarching / hierarchical group overseeing it. Once you look at left wing radical movements that cross over into criminality and so-called ‘direct action’, they tend to be very autonomous and decentralized, working in small groups or individually, and independently of each other. There isn’t centralized control, direction, nor leadership. Keeping in mind the context of your thread as ‘is this a group that could be meaningfully defined and listed?’, like I’ve said, I don’t personally see that it is, and I’m reasonably well informed.

 

[markppcli]

While we hyper focus on one protest, remember the point, antifa shows up in force time and time again to cause mayhem

You posted that as an example to start this thread. What defines a protestor as “antifa?”

I noted those that condemned the trucker movement are awfully dismissive of the damage antifa causes

No one has said that, everyone arguing with you here has said repeatedly that criminal acts need to be punished.

Lets be clear, I realize remigration is a really bad idea (Don't throw the baby out with the bath water) but antifa is anti-deportation at any level, and folks, they ain't realistic, Truth be told, antifa is anti-anything conservative or slightly right leaning.

On the who needs to leave
-TFWs, FS and any other temporary resident on work/study visa when their visa expire (They really got to stop allowing them from seeking asylum which is acknowledge by both sides of the political isle as abusing the system)
-Criminals who upon conviction (that are here on any temporary measure), and judges need to stop easing up on sentences for people to better their chance of staying. Yeah it was really happening, several cases were brought up this past summer by MP Larry Brock (former Crown attorney)

I’ll just Echo @brihard ’s point. Saying Antifa is X or Z is counter to the decentralized and unorganized nature of it. If you’re going to assume every counter protest is “Antifa,” which seems to be what you’re trying to argue, and then suggest it needs to be considered a terrorist organization what you’re actually suggesting is that we outlaw protests we disagree with.

 

[OldSolduer]

When reasonable people are pushed too far they will join what they think best represents their views. IF that is a populist party or person, they will follow.


Watch n Shoot. This may not turn out well.