Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[childs56]

Especially with our come when you feel like it reserves (SRP is kinda of a joke) you need much greater depth in order to actually augment the reg force consistently or sustain multiple rotos for DOMOPs. For every position you really need 3-4 reservists because the majority will say no. They will keep saying no until the NDA is changed as well as job protection legislation (not to mention fix the pay system so people going on class C for domops get paid on time)

There should be no reason for the Regular Force to require Reservists to augment any of the current sized operations. The fact that they require this is a sign that the Regular Force is severely unstaffed. This is not saying a fully staffed Regular Force could not open 10-20% of their deployment to Reservists for experience. That should be an option not a requirement to sustain operations. You hit the nail a bit with Job protection, and the pay system. It is really hard to tell a person they are deploying or we need you to deploy if their pay check doesnt show up on time. Mortgage and car loans only give so much forgiveness before they really want their money. The excuse I am waiting for my pay check just does not cut it. Nor does Taking the time off your Civilian work only to have the tasking canceled.

One area that I hope the tiger team will focus on is that of converting civilians with skills into soldiers so that the forces can take advantage of those skills.

Which was suppose to be over a decade if not two ago this was to be done.
The way I look at it is a heavy duty Mechanic/ Technician can be brought up to speed on tanks and armored equipment as a general rule, simialr to aircraft.
Computer techs and Comms are their own special niche that there really are only a limited number of well trained operators in the country. Let alone working for the Military. But still if a person works for Telus and we can snag them to come shoot a rifle a few times a year and blow something up then that is a great opportunity for us to recruit them.

One problem we all face is we don't know what we don't know until we run into somebody that does know what we don't know.

The problem facing the Military are 20plus year Colonels and Generals making decisions on industry who have no expierance outside of what they have done their entire lives. limits the opportunity to expand the offerings.

Yes. But what I mean is they could get worse. I can easily see a scenario where Trump pushes for an end to NORAD or our Five Eyes access. The latter was already advocated for in the Trump Administration a few months ago.

White House official pushes to axe Canada from Five Eyes intelligence group

A top White House official has proposed expelling Canada from the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing network to ramp up pressure. Read more

financialpost.com

See how they will cause a loss of information to both programs if they Cut Canada out. Lots of intel comes from Canadian sources internationally. Along with being transmitted through our systems.
As for NORAD, if the US dropped us then they would have to form another agreement with us for Airspace control. Not that we have alot of capability. Those Radars up north generally are not for our safety but theirs.
The plan was to always intercept nukes over the north, sacrificing Northern Canada. Not much would change other then US detection range and them detonating over our major centers.

 

[ytz]

See how they will cause a loss of information to both programs if they Cut Canada out. Lots of intel comes from Canadian sources internationally. Along with being transmitted through our systems.
As for NORAD, if the US dropped us then they would have to form another agreement with us for Airspace control. Not that we have alot of capability. Those Radars up north generally are not for our safety but theirs.
The plan was to always intercept nukes over the north, sacrificing Northern Canada. Not much would change other then US detection range and them detonating over our major centers.

You seem to be under the impression that the Americans care. Or would hesitate to violate our sovereignty if necessary.

 

[FJAG]

Big wars and little wars

Ah. Then I don't really confuse it at all. Little wars are a RegF responsibility with minor volunteer ARes support. Big wars are an ARes responsibility with moderate leadership support from the RegF

Me too
I just differentiate between those the Regs can call on tonight and those that are going to take a month to come on line.

30,000 Regs
60,000 Available tonight
180,000 Available in a month

Allow for hyperbole in your calculations.

Hyperbole notwithstanding I'll go back to what I hold as the truism. You count the size of the army (or air force or navy) on the size of the force that the country can (or is prepared to) equip, train and sustain. That requires a clear understanding of what, in the worst case foreseeable, you see the country needing to commit to.

Our needs are tempered by our borders being distant from anyone else but the US.

Our commitment to Europe is optional and is political in nature - how far are we prepared to go to project a continuing national image as a committed allied deterrent force? To me that means up to a sustainable armoured division of roughly 10,000 with a theatre support element of roughly 5,000 mostly with prepositioned equipment manned on a flyover basis until called on to go fully active (let's say 1/2 the force on 3 days notice the rest on seven)

Our commitment to domestic defence is mandatory. Here we need to project a continuing peacetime image that we are prepared to protect our national interest, with force if necessary. It's primarily an air and naval challenge supported by a layer of ground based coastal defences to protect our coastal infrastructure and to allow most of our air and naval forces to operate further afield. I see the threat being primarily a long-term, invasive and slow moving push against northern natural resources that needed to be handled through negotiations supported by effective shows of force and eventual picqueting of key terrain with AA/AD elements in Arctic conditions. Secondly we need to be able to deter and defend against hybrid operations within the country targeting vital infrastructure.

I won't quibble with your numbers as I think the question isn't what we need but what the country is willing to pay in time of peace and the question of how long we see the escalation processes working.

So, force structures for the CA (including Rangers) alone:

Europe - 2 armoured divisions - 1 x to deploy, 1 x to sustain 10,000 RegF, 20,000 ARes total (incl theatre support)

Canada - 2 divisions - 1 x DefCA div 7,000 RegF, 10,000 ARes, 30,000 Rangers; 1 x Gen Sp div 7,000 RegF, 10,000 ARes

Infrastructure (Trg, Logistics) - 10,000 RegF

Total - 34,000 RegF, 40,000 ARes, 30,000 Rangers

 

[FJAG]

You seem to be under the impression that the Americans care. Or would hesitate to violate our sovereignty if they think or suspect it is necessary.

FTFY

 

[McG]

When we had a country of 11 million we put 1 million in uniform and the economy kept rolling and, in fact, boomed.

The participation of women in the workforce doubled at that same time. As women are no linger a largely untapped resource, we would need over 2 million persons available to step into the workforce if we want to repeat the mobilization scale of WW2 without impacting essential industries.

 

[McG]

I want more tank crews than tanks

But you can train crews faster than build tanks

 

[daftandbarmy]

But you can train crews faster than build tanks

Not when the production lines get properly rolling you can't...

How Canadian Factories Fueled the Allied Victory​

By the end of the war, Canada’s war effort and manufacturing had reached a new level of production. The following numbers come from the Globe and Mail’s June 12th 1943 chart showcasing one week’s worth of wartime production from Canadian factories. This work was done by over 900,000 Canadian workers, male and female working all over the country. They made at least 6 vessels, 80 aircraft, 4000 motor vehicles, 450 armoured fighting vehicles, 940 heavy guns, 13,000 smaller guns, 525,000 artillery shells, 25 million cartridges, 10,000 tons of explosives and $4 million dollars worth of communication equipment and instruments.[2]

How Canadian Factories Fueled the Allied Victory

Article written by Amynte Eygun, MA. Westmount, Quebec – 11 October 2024: Canada had a big role in the production of weapons for Allies during the Second World War, especially after the Dunkirk Evacuation in May-June 1940. Canadians on the home front worked hard to supply not only Canadian...

royalmontrealregiment.com

 

[childs56]

You seem to be under the impression that the Americans care. Or would hesitate to violate our sovereignty if necessary.

They have made it very clear that they will violate anyone's sovereignty as they see fit. It is not the point.
Unless they want to set up their own radar stations for early warning on our territory they have to form some kind of agreement with us. If not then we can deal with it at the time.

 

[McG]

Not when the production lines get properly rolling you can't...

It’s cool that you want to go to war in Spitfires & Shermans again.

 

[Kirkhill]

Not when the production lines get properly rolling you can't...

How Canadian Factories Fueled the Allied Victory​

By the end of the war, Canada’s war effort and manufacturing had reached a new level of production. The following numbers come from the Globe and Mail’s June 12th 1943 chart showcasing one week’s worth of wartime production from Canadian factories. This work was done by over 900,000 Canadian workers, male and female working all over the country. They made at least 6 vessels, 80 aircraft, 4000 motor vehicles, 450 armoured fighting vehicles, 940 heavy guns, 13,000 smaller guns, 525,000 artillery shells, 25 million cartridges, 10,000 tons of explosives and $4 million dollars worth of communication equipment and instruments.[2]

How Canadian Factories Fueled the Allied Victory

Article written by Amynte Eygun, MA. Westmount, Quebec – 11 October 2024: Canada had a big role in the production of weapons for Allies during the Second World War, especially after the Dunkirk Evacuation in May-June 1940. Canadians on the home front worked hard to supply not only Canadian...

royalmontrealregiment.com

I think that depends on how exquisite a build you want.

 

[PrairieFella]

It’s cool that you want to go to war in Spitfires & Shermans again.

Ill pass on the Tommy Cooker thanks lol. We still have a regimental shot called a Hatcher - a shooter of burning Sambuca that resembles the cookoff of Sherman tanks from the war.

 

[Remius]

It’s cool that you want to go to war in Spitfires & Shermans again.

We (2025 Canada) would probably lose a war against WW2 Canada in our current state.

 

[Czech_pivo]

We (2025 Canada) would probably lose a war against WW2 Canada in our current state.

Canada of 1939 or 1945?

 

[Kirkhill]

They have made it very clear that they will violate anyone's sovereignty as they see fit. It is not the point.
Unless they want to set up their own radar stations for early warning on our territory they have to form some kind of agreement with us. If not then we can deal with it at the time.

Population of Alaska 740,000

Population of Yukon 45,000
Population of Northwest Territories 45,000
Population of Nunavut 41,000

Population of Greenland 57,000

Who is going to make the best offer?

 

[ytz]

Unless they want to set up their own radar stations for early warning on our territory they have to form some kind of agreement with us.

Wait till you hear about what these things called satellites can do.

Space-Based Infrared System - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also, their existing radar network has overlapping coverage without Canada:

Solid State Phased Array Radar System - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And that's before we get in to what's coming up:

Pentagon will reportedly award SpaceX a $2 billion contract to help develop the 'Golden Dome'

The Pentagon will lean on SpaceX's extensive satellite network for a potential anti-missile defense system.

www.engadget.com

 

[childs56]

Population of Alaska 740,000

Population of Yukon 45,000
Population of Northwest Territories 45,000
Population of Nunavut 41,000

Population of Greenland 57,000

The majority of the Alaskan population is in the SSW corner, Not sure what their population has to do with this discussion.

Who is going to make the best offer?

A current or expanding trade partner.

 

[childs56]

Wait till you hear about what these things called satellites can do.

Space-Based Infrared System - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also, their existing radar network has overlapping coverage without Canada.l:

Solid State Phased Array Radar System - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

yup and Canada has a pretty decent setup for that also. But they still use multiple inputs to verify data, including surface, sub surface and air assets.
Then I guess we can eliminate the SPY series radars for BMD and just rely on satellite services across the board. Yaaa problem solved.

 

[Kirkhill]

The majority of the Alaskan population is in the SSW corner, Not sure what their population has to do with this discussion.

A current or expanding trade partner.

Visions of Greater Alaska expanding East from the North Slope.

Eskimos to the West of us. Vikings to the East. Here I am. Stuck in the middle with you.

Hearing echoes of The Immigrant Song.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Ill pass on the Tommy Cooker thanks lol. We still have a regimental shot called a Hatcher - a shooter of burning Sambuca that resembles the cookoff of Sherman tanks from the war.

Oddly enough the casualty rate for the US Armoured Corp tank crews for the entire WWII, is some 1,800 personal. I crawled around early Stuarts, Valentines, Matilda's, Cromwell's and Comet. Getting in and out of a Sherman's was way easier than any of those, about the only one to beat it was the Churchill.

 

[Ludoc]

Visions of Greater Alaska expanding East from the North Slope.

Eskimos to the West of us. Vikings to the East. Here I am. Stuck in the middle with you.

Hearing echoes of The Immigrant Song.

Southeast Alaska’s population expected drop 17% by 2050, by far the most statewide | Juneau Empire

They can't even keep their population numbers level and you think they will expand into Canada because they need lebensraum?