Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Halifax Tar]

Carney may have fallen short with his "master class" praise for his negotiation with Trump but his budget timing was a work of art.

Carney gets elected and says he won't drop a budget, he gets ridiculed by the opposition for it. He then changes his mind and will drop a budget in November.

Closer to November he starts dropping hints at how big the budget will be. Ambiguous "Prepare to make big sacrifices", and a continuation of the "most important time in our generation" bla bla from the election.


Now the parties have two options.

1. Support the Liberal budget which will very likely result in a massive deficit; or

2. Risk an election at Christmas time (with the LPC trusting most Canadians are short sighted and will be more upset over an unplanned election on a holiday than our financial future).


THAT is CEO energy.

Canadians get who they vote for.

We will have another chance for change.

 

[Altair]

Canadians get who they vote for.

We will have another chance for change.

Will the CPC squander it?

 

[Haggis]

Will the CPC squander it?

Recent history suggests they will.

 

[PrairieFella]

Recent history suggests they will.

Maybe they can stop stepping on the rake and realize verbing the noun isnt attractive to Canadians and they should actually make a plan. Less than 20 actual pages of policy points in their election platform was all I needed to see that they arent serious about governing.

 

[MilEME09]

This seems like an awful lot of latitude given to a governing body. You absolutely shit the bed for 8 years, not 2, 3 or 4 years, 8 years... and counting.... but stay in power, we're curious to see how far you can take this.

With plenty of blame to go around, both for the feds and the provinces, but having a new PM who isn't afraid to destroy his predecessors legacy for the sake of the country gives us some hope.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Followed soon afterwards by Trump signing an Executive Order barring them (CHN EVs) from being operated in the US for "national security" reasons.

On this one, he wouldn't be alone if he did. This just out within the past day or so ...

IDF drops Chinese cars, switches to Japan's Mitsubishi fleet

After Three Years With China's Chery Tiggo 8, the Israeli Army Is Swapping 600 Vehicles for Mitsubishi Outlanders Amid Data-security Fears. The IDF Now Bars Chinese Models Near Sensitive Bases, Though Some MG Cars Still Operate Inside Tel Aviv's Kirya Compound

www.haaretz.com

IDF concern: Are Chinese cars a security threat?

Chinese technology is becoming a strategic challenge in Israel-even on the road, with cameras, microphones, sensors and other advanced devices installed in vehicles.

www.israelnationalnews.com

IDF orders removal of Chinese cars over espionage fears

Israel's military command has initiated confiscation of approximately 700 Chinese-manufactured vehicles from army officers following intelligence assessments that identified genuine espionage threats through embedded surveillance technology. The directive from the IDF chief of staff targets...

www.israelhayom.com

Now, if he doesn't, does that mean he's soft-ish on China, too? We'll have to see how things unfold ....

 

[Furniture]

Maybe they can stop stepping on the rake and realize verbing the noun isnt attractive to Canadians and they should actually make a plan. Less than 20 actual pages of policy points in their election platform was all I needed to see that they arent serious about governing.

Because "Elbows Up" was such a masterclass in policy...

People don't vote on policy, they vote on vibes. The LPC won because they captured the vibe and used the CPCs ideas.

We'll see how well people vibe with the LPC after the budget drops and the reality of it sinks in.

 

[Lumber]

Because "Elbows Up" was such a masterclass in policy...

People don't vote on policy, they vote on vibes. The LPC won because they captured the vibe and used the CPCs ideas.

We'll see how well people vibe with the LPC after the budget drops and the reality of it sinks in.

Dude, the reality is never going to sink it. The LPC is just going to print more money on top of borrowed money on top of more printed money on top of more borrow money, ad nauseum, so that no one actually "feels" anything.

 

[RangerRay]

NDP says abstention is an option on budget vote

Government has warned of the possibility of a snap election unless at least one other party steps forward to allow approval of the budget

www.theglobeandmail.com

Broke leaderless party realized it's broke and leaderless.

More at 11

If the NDP did anything different, they deserve to get annihilated.

If they were smart (big if!), they would wait til they had a leader and when the government loses popularity with the left wing voters (they will!) then withdraw any “support”. The last thing they should do is prop up a Liberal government way past its prime.

 

[Czech_pivo]

If the NDP did anything different, they deserve to get annihilated.

If they were smart (big if!), they would wait til they had a leader and when the government loses popularity with the left wing voters (they will!) then withdraw any “support”. The last thing they should do is prop up a Liberal government way past its prime.

They are stone cold broke. They will need a substantial amount of time to gather up the nickels and dimes necessary to rebuild their coffers.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Maybe they can stop stepping on the rake and realize verbing the noun isnt attractive to Canadians and they should actually make a plan. Less than 20 actual pages of policy points in their election platform was all I needed to see that they arent serious about governing.

Maybe PP will allow an open vote on the budget because he can't find anything that rhymes with deficit.

Don't forget their policy included changing all pensions to defined contributions, not defined benefits, which would have really fucked over everyone in the CAF that is counting on that.

 

[MilEME09]

Because "Elbows Up" was such a masterclass in policy...

People don't vote on policy, they vote on vibes. The LPC won because they captured the vibe and used the CPCs ideas.

We'll see how well people vibe with the LPC after the budget drops and the reality of it sinks in.

Good things elbows up was a slogan not a policy.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Exactly my point. And it looks to me like Rob Ashton could be the antithesis to JS.

To me, fear the Socialist standing before you in a white T shirt, jeans and causal shoes wearing a simple Timex watch.

 

[RangerRay]

They are stone cold broke. They will need a substantial amount of time to gather up the nickels and dimes necessary to rebuild their coffers.

It’s exactly this reason I don’t buy all the hype about an election. I also have a hard time imagining Poilievre itching to pull the trigger on an election right now. Their best bet is to bide their time. No matter what’s on the budget, I imagine it’s not going to bite for another year or so.

 

[Eaglelord17]

It’s exactly this reason I don’t buy all the hype about an election. I also have a hard time imagining Poilievre itching to pull the trigger on an election right now. Their best bet is to bide their time. No matter what’s on the budget, I imagine it’s not going to bite for another year or so.

Personally I think no matter who is in power is screwed. A serious recession is coming and it is better not to be in power and blamed then in power and blamed.

 

[YZT580]

If the NDP did anything different, they deserve to get annihilated.

If they were smart (big if!), they would wait til they had a leader and when the government loses popularity with the left wing voters (they will!) then withdraw any “support”. The last thing they should do is prop up a Liberal government way past its prime.

true, but they no longer have a voice so they are becoming increasingly irrelevant. If they abstain they are simply continuing their history as closet liberals. If they vote no they are committing suicide and if they vote yet and it is not a good budget from an NDP perspective they are confirming to the voters that they are simply opportunists trying to pad their pensions. losers no matter what

 

[Czech_pivo]

Personally I think no matter who is in power is screwed. A serious recession is coming and it is better not to be in power and blamed then in power and blamed.

Not of the belief that a recession is coming, a stagnant year for 2026, yes most likely, but I don’t see a recession. I think that if the Supreme Court ruling goes our way, US elections tomorrow trend solidly to the Dems, 2026 might be an ok year.

 

[Altair]

true, but they no longer have a voice so they are becoming increasingly irrelevant. If they abstain they are simply continuing their history as closet liberals. If they vote no they are committing suicide and if they vote yet and it is not a good budget from an NDP perspective they are confirming to the voters that they are simply opportunists trying to pad their pensions. losers no matter what

Long term, the LPC has to be happy. A strong NDP has always been their kryptonite.

Makes me wonder if the CPC snatching the labour vote from under them was the wise play.

Edit: For the record, the NDP has done everything in their power to let the CPC snatch the labour vote from them.

 

[ArmyRick]

Not of the belief that a recession is coming, a stagnant year for 2026, yes most likely, but I don’t see a recession. I think that if the Supreme Court ruling goes our way, US elections tomorrow trend solidly to the Dems, 2026 might be an ok year.

Recession not coming? Based on what? The PBO has given a grim outlook.

As for the US election, your COA is hope, literally. Not a valid COA.

The time to actually make Canada resilient was ten years ago, the next best time is now. Not gonna happen, Carney is beholden to the LPC power brokers as opposed to actually leading it in the direction it needs to go. That last line is my opinion not fact. Unlike some, I know what a fact is

Attacking Poilievre for criticizing poor Liberal policies? Criticizing Poor liberal decision making? Attacking Pierre because the CBC told you to?

Funny, Carney speaks to a crowd of university youth and they yawn, look at their phones and clap half heartedly. Pierre spoke to a crowd of youth (albeit Conservative youth) and they listen to every word and cheer loudly.

My prediction is we won't see an election.

OK, LPC cheerleaders/CPC haters, who think on your on some high moral ground or an "intellectual" superior (I still laugh at all your weak ass comments), go ahead, have at 'er.

 

[ArmyRick]

Long term, the LPC has to be happy. A strong NDP has always been their kryptonite.

Makes me wonder if the CPC snatching the labour vote from under them was the wise play.

Edit: For the record, the NDP has done everything in their power to let the CPC snatch the labour vote from them.

Oddly enough, I actually agree with you on this in part. Weird. Jagmeet really crapped the bed. Had he pulled the trigger last year at this time, the NDP would still be a party and possibly the opposition.