2026 US-Denmark Tensions/End of NATO

[lenaitch]

It was never about security.

I feel bad for everyone here who twists themselves into knots trying to make sense of the lie that it's about security.

Trump covets Greenland for national security reasons like he covets Venezuela to control the flow of drugs.

 

[Kirkhill]

Trump is Trump.

I stumble over the irreducible 42% 0f Americans that have supported him and continue to support him, along with those elements that follow his orders. And not all of the 42% are red cap supporters.

Having seen what the money lenders can do to governments in Europe and Asia I struggle with believimg that they don't support the general direction of travel.

You can focus on Trump as much as you like. I am trying to follow the belt buckle.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I think the wild card in this is the US Military itself. How many will refuse the order if it came ? Or will any ?

 

[Halifax Tar]

You asked what we shpuld do, made made a flippant remark about “convene vigorously” in response to a US attack on NATO

That, I will give you is flippant. But what more would this Gov and/or Canada be willing to do ? I think @brihard and @Remius have the right idea with dumping investments ect ect ect. They are smarter than me they can explain it better.

dropped a rhetorical statement about wasting Canadian lives to defend Ellesmere Island, and then speculated that we would both be fighting in the north if Canada foes to war.

It wasn't rhetorical its postulating a plausible scenario, which in fact you brought up and stated previously; also I am running off the assumption your are serving CAF member and thus would probably get tied up in this. Are you not a CAF member ?

Whether one takes the middle statement that I quoted or your whole paragraph that you requoted, that middle rhetorical statement looks to be colouring outside the lines that the site asked us to stay within. Canada is worth fighting for.

It sure is! Are you coming ?

The US could not beat the Taliban. If Trump starts a war with NATO, he will find that NATO is tougher than the Taliban.

I love your optimism.

 

[McG]

That I will give you, is flippant. But what more would this Gov and/or Canada be willing to do ?

I answered what Canada must do prior to your asking the question. If the US attacks NATO, Canada must support NATO. NATO’s best odds are with Canada on the team, and Canda’s last best chance is with NATO. If Trump attacks NATO, then choosing not to fight beside NATO is choosing to be conquered alone at Trump’s leisure.

It wasn't rhetorical its postulating a plausible scenario, which in fact you brought up and stated previously;

So we agree that I have been taking your statement fully in its context, and you introduced debate as to whether Canada is worth fighting to defend. The answer is yes all parts of Canada are worth defending from annexation, and the site owner has explained the alternative is not open for discussion. If we want to protect Ellesmere Island without getting to the point of having to fight for it, we must help NATO protect Greenland.

Are you not a CAF member ?

This doesn’t matter in the context of what right looks like.

 

[McG]

I love your optimism.

I am simply not a defeatist. The optimists are telling us war will not happen because Trump will TACO, or the generals will revolt, or Congress will save us after the invasion is started. But given the nature of threats against Greenland and Canada, realists know we need to be preparing. Defeatist narratives now will only serve to undermine moral and resolve.

Better for today’s adult to fight the US military if and when the US starts a fight than for all our kids to be fighting ICE in the cities. And our best chances are with NATO.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I answered what Canada must do prior to your asking the question. If the US attacks NATO, Canada must support NATO. NATO’s best odds are with Canada on the team, and Canda’s last best chance is with NATO. If Trump attacks NATO, then choosing not to fight beside NATO is choosing to be conquered alone at Trump’s leisure.

A sound and reasoned position. Whether I agree with it or not.

So we agree that I have been taking your statement fully in its context, and you introduced debate as to whether Canada is worth fighting to defend. The answer is yes all parts of Canada are worth defending from annexation, and the site owner has explained the alternative is not open for discussion. If we want to protect Ellesmere Island without getting to the point of having to fight for it, we must help NATO protect Greenland.

Can you show me where I have said Canada is not worth defending ? My question is at what cost, do we destroy everything to flick the USA behind the ear ? And the gods honest truth is I don't get a say. If PMMC says move left, I move left.

My career is on this site for all to see. I don't hide, like some. I will let my service speak for itself on my stance as to whether Canada is worth defending.

I think I can safely say the vast majority of us in unform are willing to go where sent. And I think most of us would hope Canada will send us properly equipped, with a promise of care afterword's and that when you send us its an honorable and righteous reason to go.

This doesn’t matter in the context of what right looks like.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

Preparing for a hypothetical war in Canada involving the invasion of the Country by a foreign military power wouldn't be able to rely on conventional military power to defend itself.

It would need to be fought by guerilla forces and partisans.

In a hypothetical situation where the United States was that foreign military power, the CAF would be of negligible utility. The CAF is in bed with the US MIC and the leadership is too close to the US Military. The same could be said for most of our Govt as well.

An organization structutred like the Canadian Defence League: The Canadian Defence League : Canadian Defence League : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

It would need to be ultra-nationalist in nature and maintain an arms length distance from the Government with the only connections being to the intelligence services.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Preparing for a hypothetical war in Canada involving the invasion of the Country by a foreign military power wouldn't be able to rely on conventional military power to defend itself.

It would need to be fought by guerilla forces and partisans.

In a hypothetical situation where the United States was that foreign military power, the CAF would be of negligible utility. The CAF is in bed with the US MIC and the leadership is too close to the US Military. The same could be said for most of our Govt as well.

An organization structutred like the Canadian Defence League: The Canadian Defence League : Canadian Defence League : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

It would need to be ultra-nationalist in nature and maintain an arms length distance from the Government with the only connections being to the intelligence services.

Fully agree. I expect most of the capability that we have in CAF to whipped out in the opening hours of any conflict.

Our best move is, as you say, to melt into the population, organize partisan groups and bleed the adversary dry slowly. Again I keep bringing up the big fella .

Michael Collins (Irish leader) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Czech_pivo]

Fully agree. I expect most of the capability that we have in CAF to whipped out in the opening hours of any conflict.

Our best move is, as you say, to melt into the population, organize partisan groups and bleed the adversary dry slowly. Again I keep bringing up the big fella .

Michael Collins (Irish leader) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A, 'They walk amongst us' approach.

 

[Kirkhill]

4,000 US soldiers deploy to Norway for Arctic exercise

The United States is not drawing down its forces training with NATO allies inside the Arctic Circle amid turmoil over Trump's threats to seize control of Greenland.

www.thebarentsobserver.com

The upcoming Cold Response 2026 will be the largest military exercise in Norway in 2026 with an estimated 20,000 to 25,000 participants from more than ten countries.

"There will be about 4,000 US soldiers," said spokesperson Vegard Norstad Finberg with the Norwegian Armed Forces when asked by the Barents Observer.

There will be Army, Air Force and Special Forces personnel from the United States.

Which way are whose guns pointed?

 

[Halifax Tar]

4,000 US soldiers deploy to Norway for Arctic exercise

The United States is not drawing down its forces training with NATO allies inside the Arctic Circle amid turmoil over Trump's threats to seize control of Greenland.

www.thebarentsobserver.com

Which way are whose guns pointed?

Norway is a long walk to Greenland...

I digress... I am surprised this is going to happen.

 

[Kirkhill]

Norway is a long walk to Greenland...

I digress... I am surprised this is going to happen.

Reference your digression - the walk has been made at least once.

Distance from the Norwegian Jan Mayen Islands to Greenland is about 500 km.

Arctic fox walks more than 2,700 miles from Norway to Canada

COPENHAGEN - An arctic fox walked more than 4,415 kilometres (2,737 miles) to go from northern Norway to Canad...

cfjctoday.com

 

[QV]

Norway is a long walk to Greenland...

I digress... I am surprised this is going to happen.

Don't be. Nobody in the back room takes the political bluster by any side serious (Trump: I want to take Greenland... everyone else: the USA is going to attack a NATO ally).

 

[brihard]

Norway is a long walk to Greenland...

I digress... I am surprised this is going to happen.

I’m not. NATO doesn’t want to drive the U.S. out. On the other hand every opportunity to have continued positive working and executive level relations with their military leadership in a NATO context is good. We want as many U.S. military leaders as possible to believe it’s essential to maintain that alliance and, critically, the trust within it.

 

[Quirky]

Don't be. Nobody in the back room takes the political bluster by any side serious (Trump: I want to take Greenland... everyone else: the USA is going to attack a NATO ally).

Won't happen.

NATO Begs U.S. For Emergency Funding So They Can Defend Greenland From U.S.

BRUSSELS — Amid the looming threat of a U.S. military takeover of Greenland, NATO requested emergency aid from the U.S. to help it defend Greenland from the U.S.

babylonbee.com

 

[Eaglelord17]

I think the wild card in this is the US Military itself. How many will refuse the order if it came ? Or will any ?

Considering they are setting the conditions so they don’t, I am not sure I see it happening. Jags being fired, commanders being fired, veteran senators being publicly dragged through the mud for simply saying to follow lawful orders. These aren’t the steps to build a conscious refusal in the troops.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Norway is a long walk to Greenland...

I digress... I am surprised this is going to happen.

They need the training before the actual main event. Who says that those troops return to their existing barracks in the US afterwards?

 

[Jarnhamar]

They need the training before the actual main event. Who says that those troops return to their existing barracks in the US afterwards?

The ol' Trojan Polar Bear.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The ol' Trojan Polar Bear.

Have to wonder what the atmosphere will be amongst the troops in Norway during this exercise. Will they be professional and not acknowledge the obvious tension that will exist? Will the Euro troops shun/ignore the US troops and not mix with them if given the chance? Will there be no affect and they will mix freely and be friendly towards each other?

I'd love to be an observer, with complete access to all areas during the exercise and just watch and listen. Much I think could be learned.