Rainbow1910
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$5B is an incredibly strange figure that doesn't seem to fit with anything in the slightest, personally I'm discounting it at this point as inaccurate.
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The amount is like Goldilocks porridge - not to hot and not to cold - an amount that won't necessarily set people off initially but just enough to show that something potentially serious is happening.
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Based on the government's Defence Capability Blueprint they only seem to be able to count to 5 Billion. The projects on that list are given budget bands. The upper band is
">5 Billion".
So ....1,2,3,4,5,many.
If the $5 billion is a random number assigned to 8 corvettes or less, I would agree. Go for newer equipment.
But if one is talking 12 to 20 corvettes, with only $5-billion Canadian to spend, then if one cranks the numbers, it really does become very very clear that it is not possible to buy much newer equipment unless the corvette is downsized to almost patrol boat functionality. In such a $5-billion Canadian dollar spending cap, re-using old equipment is really the only realistic way to arm the warships.
I guess we will need to wait to see how this (both requirements and budget available for the corvettes) unfolds.
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I am always confused by how Canada does Defence Procurement, but could the $5B number not be initial program costs, and first batch - with more to follow?
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The amount is like Goldilocks porridge - not to hot and not to cold - an amount that won't necessarily set people off initially but just enough to show that something potentially serious is happening.
5B for the first batch of 5?
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Accrual accounting takes into account the full life cycle and operating costs. The sub program has done a good job of teasing these out into the seperate hulls + maintanence costs to better explain to taxpayers what that means.
I think the $5 billion honestly is an internet rumour that means nothing. We have no idea what the cost is going to be.
There are a lot of costs that go into warships that are hidden. Software development and engineering plant for example. If they end up with a high end diesel or DE only ship that's a big saving in power plant (no gas turbine and associated costs). For combat management system design they could literally take CMS 330 as currently fitted for the CPF's and slightly modify the software, particularly if they are re-running the same equipment (ESSM, 57mm, same radars, same EW suite, etc...). The hardware would remain the same.
But honestly we'll have to see with the RFI says, and that will get us a better idea as to the budget and capabilites, to nail down an appropriate cost.
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Are we sure it's not an ID mistake: It's five billions for the Admiral's 20 Orca replacements?
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Krakens are going cheap. The Brits just bought 20 at half a million quid apiece. 10 MUKP the lot.
Of course we could expect some Canadianization.
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I stopped watching that video as soon as it used a LCS as a representation of a Kingston Class 15 seconds in. AI Slop. No one watch that video.
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Malaysia signs a contract for delivery of a 99 m ship with a crew of 70 for delivery in 2027 (about 18 months)
This is the second of the class and the contract price is 83.75 MUSD.
The first of the class was contracted at 69 MUSD.
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"room for an additional 30 passengers. It will have an at-sea endurance of up to 30 days, and will be equipped with four fast interceptor craft, and two unmanned aerial vehicles in addition to a helicopter deck, medical facilities and a detention facility on board.
"A Desan Shipyard representative at DSA 2026 told Naval News that one of the improvements was the inclusion of unmanned surface vehicles (USV) with the second Multi Purpose Mission Ship. The representative said the unmanned surface vehicle to be supplied would be manufactured by Aselsan. An Aselsan representative confirmed that the company planned to supply a variant of its Marlin series of USVs jointly developed with Malaysian firm Navamas for the Multi Purpose Mission Ship, but declined to provide further details."
Armament is believed to be a 30 mm RWS and a pair of 12.5 HMGs in RWS plus whatever the UxVs might deliver.
Aselsan Marlin with Kraken Robotics Katfish from Newfoundland.
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This is the second of the class and the contract price is 83.75 MUSD.
The first of the class was contracted at 69 MUSD.
Malaysia Signs Contract with Desan Shipyard on Second Multi-Purpose Mission Ship - Naval News
Malaysia’s Ministry of Home Affairs officially signed a contract with Desan Shipyard for the construction of a second Multi Purpose Mission Ship for Malaysia’s coast guard on the sidelines of the 2026 Defence Services Asia exhibition in Kuala Lumpur.
www.navalnews.com
"room for an additional 30 passengers. It will have an at-sea endurance of up to 30 days, and will be equipped with four fast interceptor craft, and two unmanned aerial vehicles in addition to a helicopter deck, medical facilities and a detention facility on board.
"A Desan Shipyard representative at DSA 2026 told Naval News that one of the improvements was the inclusion of unmanned surface vehicles (USV) with the second Multi Purpose Mission Ship. The representative said the unmanned surface vehicle to be supplied would be manufactured by Aselsan. An Aselsan representative confirmed that the company planned to supply a variant of its Marlin series of USVs jointly developed with Malaysian firm Navamas for the Multi Purpose Mission Ship, but declined to provide further details."
Armament is believed to be a 30 mm RWS and a pair of 12.5 HMGs in RWS plus whatever the UxVs might deliver.
Aselsan Marlin with Kraken Robotics Katfish from Newfoundland.
MARLIN USV Integrated with Canadian KATFISH Towed SAS | TURDEF
MARLIN USV has been demonstrated with the KATFISH synthetic aperture sonar developed by Canadian Kraken Robotics, marking the first international collaboration.
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I am a big fan of Coast Guard ships, and a big fan of Naval ships. I wish the Malaysian Coast Guard all the best with this ship, but for certain, 'as is', it is no corvette warship, and definitely would not meet Canada's naval needs for a Corvette.Malaysia signs a contract for delivery of a 99 m ship with a crew of 70 for delivery in 2027 (about 18 months)
This is the second of the class and the contract price is 83.75 MUSD.
The first of the class was contracted at 69 MUSD.
Malaysia Signs Contract with Desan Shipyard on Second Multi-Purpose Mission Ship - Naval News
Malaysia’s Ministry of Home Affairs officially signed a contract with Desan Shipyard for the construction of a second Multi Purpose Mission Ship for Malaysia’s coast guard on the sidelines of the 2026 Defence Services Asia exhibition in Kuala Lumpur.
"room for an additional 30 passengers. It will have an at-sea endurance of up to 30 days, and will be equipped with four fast interceptor craft, and two unmanned aerial vehicles in addition to a helicopter deck, medical facilities and a detention facility on board.
"A Desan Shipyard representative at DSA 2026 told Naval News that one of the improvements was the inclusion of unmanned surface vehicles (USV) with the second Multi Purpose Mission Ship. The representative said the unmanned surface vehicle to be supplied would be manufactured by Aselsan. An Aselsan representative confirmed that the company planned to supply a variant of its Marlin series of USVs jointly developed with Malaysian firm Navamas for the Multi Purpose Mission Ship, but declined to provide further details."
Armament is believed to be a 30 mm RWS and a pair of 12.5 HMGs in RWS plus whatever the UxVs might deliver.
Aselsan Marlin with Kraken Robotics Katfish from Newfoundland.
MARLIN USV Integrated with Canadian KATFISH Towed SAS | TURDEF
MARLIN USV has been demonstrated with the KATFISH synthetic aperture sonar developed by Canadian Kraken Robotics, marking the first international collaboration.
Not in the slightest.
My understanding is a Canadian military officer has already noted they want the Canadian Continental Corvette to have sensors/armament approximating that of the Halifax class frigates.
I recently discovered I am not allowed to paste links here ... (as a previous post of mine had a link to the source of the purported $5-billion budget for the Canadian Continental corvette removed) so let me just note some information on this Malaysian Coast Guard ship, (and again, I wish Malaysia all the very best):
Malaysian Multi Purpose Mission Coast Guard Ship - no expensive weapons embarked:
- single 30mm forward, and two 12.7mm on top of the rear hanger (aft port/starboard)
- no air defence missiles
- no anti-ship missile
- no towed array sonar , nor any VDS
- no anti-torpedo measures
- no ECM visible in models (ie no chaff/ir launchers, no ECM air-drone (like LEED/Nulka), no on-board ECM (ie jammer/deceptive repeater).
So it has no air defence capability, and no ASW capability. It has no anti-surface missile capability. It has minor anti-drone capability with its 30mm but as a point-defense close-in-weapon system, that is incredibly limited.
That Malaysian ship is for a Coast Guard, ... not for a navy. Not for a naval corvette.
Note that its the weapons & sensors that drive up warship cost and this Malaysian coast guard ship has minimal armament and none of the more capable sensors (especially re:ASW sensors). It a coast guard ship, which explains the lower cost. Weapons and sensors can easily double or triple or quadruple the cost of a warship .
To re-iterate, as a Coast Guard ship, for Malaysia - I think this is good and I wish Malaysian Coast Guard the very best. ... But let us not confuse this with a warship.
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Obviously its up to the RCN and the political government in power in Canada to decide on budget and requirements.
If thou, the 'Canadian Continental Corvette' is to have the range for Canadian Arctic operations, it means an Ocean going range - which means extra cost for a capable design. And if a strengthened hull for arctic operations is desired, and also sensors and weapons approximating such of the Halifax class (or even a bit less than Halifax class is desired) then IMHO the costs will be 400 MCAD or more per warship. Possibly IMHO a lot more.
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Malaysia has a big issue with piracy in the Straits of Malacca, so likley tuned to that threat.
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The issue that concerns me is how fast can Canada change its circumstances. It concerns me that every program under discussion involves a 2035 start line.
What can be done in the near term? Dollars aren't the issue brcause dollars won't advance the timeline significantly on any of our big ticket projects.
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