High Speed Train Coming?-split from boosting Canada’s military spending"

[Jarnhamar]

Our Property Acquisition Process

Learn how Alto’s property acquisition process works, from identifying properties to direct engagement, negotiations, and fair, transparent agreements.

www.altotrain.ca

Doesn't appear to be anything here about consulting local First Nations or the compensation intended for them.

Considering their penchant for protesting and blocking roads I bet it's going to be expensive. Quite a bit more than the fair market value farmers are getting offered.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

And to be clear, they have said expropriation is not first resort. And that compensation will not be based on land value alone but includes things like loss of business.

To be clear. I don't support the idea of just expropriating. Every effort should be made to be compassionate and make a fair offer. And so far, I don't see anything that says Alto intends to do anything less than that.

You already have your answer about the feds sense of fairness, when you have private property they want to confiscate. The Firearms Buyback is showing just how useless the government is in private property deals and treating Canadians fairly.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Considering their penchant for protesting and blocking roads I bet it's going to be expensive. Quite a bit more than the fair market value farmers are getting offered.

And did they offer you the fair market value for your guns?

 

[Jarnhamar]

And did they offer you the fair market value for your guns?

Ha.

Maybe the farmers will comply just as much as firearm owners did.

 

[Halifax Tar]

If land is expropriated . . .

Our Property Acquisition Process

Learn how Alto’s property acquisition process works, from identifying properties to direct engagement, negotiations, and fair, transparent agreements.

www.altotrain.ca

Expropriation Act

Federal laws of Canada

laws.justice.gc.ca

A bunch of legal mumbo jumbo that empowers the Gov to be a bully, full stop.

 

[ytz]

Doesn't appear to be anything here about consulting local First Nations or the compensation intended for them.

Press Release: NACCA and Alto Sign MOU

Gatineau, QC, May 7, 2026 – The National Aboriginal Capital Corporations Association (NACCA) and Alto have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) establishing a collaborative framework to connect Indigenous businesses, entrepreneurs, and workers to opportunities emerging from one of Canada’s...

nacca.ca

Alto signs deal with Indigenous business association

Memorandum of understanding creates opportunity for Indigenous businesses to take part in high-speed rail project, Alto says.

www.thewhig.com

Indigenous Engagement

Alto, alongside the Government of Canada, is committed to reconciliation, and is making it a key priority. This commitment is grounded in the principles of engaging early and meaningfully, through constructive dialogue and nation-to-nation relationships with Indigenous peoples.

www.altotrain.ca

Building Together: Indigenous Partnerships in Alto’s Vision

Discover how meaningful partnerships with Indigenous communities are shaping the future of Alto.

www.altotrain.ca

Indigenous Peoples Participation Funding

Your voice matters. Transport Canada is making grant funding available through the Community Participation Funding Program.

www.altotrain.ca

Reconciliation with Indigenous Peoples

The train network will offer frequent, reliable and faster service thanks to modern, accessible and environmentally-friendly trains.

www.altotrain.ca

What is with the inability of people to do a basic Google Search on this forum?

 

[ytz]

A bunch of legal mumbo jumbo that empowers the Gov to be a bully, full stop.

Hopefully the majority (if not all) land acquisition is through deals. They've said that value is negotiation based incorporating all loss. Not just land. Expropriation should only be in the most extreme cases. Ideally, never. But I do get that sometimes emotional attachment or even political ideology can stop a sale.

I don't expect anyone is going to walk away from this with financial injury. But there will be people unhappy at the very idea. That is true for every infrastructure project unfortunately.

 

[YZT580]

Press Release: NACCA and Alto Sign MOU

Gatineau, QC, May 7, 2026 – The National Aboriginal Capital Corporations Association (NACCA) and Alto have signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) establishing a collaborative framework to connect Indigenous businesses, entrepreneurs, and workers to opportunities emerging from one of Canada’s...

nacca.ca

Alto signs deal with Indigenous business association

Memorandum of understanding creates opportunity for Indigenous businesses to take part in high-speed rail project, Alto says.

www.thewhig.com

Indigenous Engagement

Alto, alongside the Government of Canada, is committed to reconciliation, and is making it a key priority. This commitment is grounded in the principles of engaging early and meaningfully, through constructive dialogue and nation-to-nation relationships with Indigenous peoples.

www.altotrain.ca

Building Together: Indigenous Partnerships in Alto’s Vision

Discover how meaningful partnerships with Indigenous communities are shaping the future of Alto.

www.altotrain.ca

Indigenous Peoples Participation Funding

Your voice matters. Transport Canada is making grant funding available through the Community Participation Funding Program.

www.altotrain.ca

Reconciliation with Indigenous Peoples

The train network will offer frequent, reliable and faster service thanks to modern, accessible and environmentally-friendly trains.

www.altotrain.ca

What is with the inability of people to do a basic Google Search on this forum?

From your Google search: We’re building nearly 1,000 km of electrified rail spanning two provinces, and, importantly, ancestral territories and Treaty lands. Our trains will move at speeds of 300 km/h or more, providing environmentally sound, fast, and reliable service to millions of riders. The High-Speed Rail Network will transform how people travel—connecting communities and creating new possibilities for work, family, and culture.

Please explain how a rail link that doesn't stop anywhere, at least in Ontario, but Toronto, Peterborough, Ottawa, is supposed to connect communities and create new possibilities for work, family, and culture. An HS railway would be of great benefit to business leaders, politicians and commuters from Havelock/Peterborough to Toronto. Its speed benefits absolutely no one else.The last I looked there were dozens of communities in between and most of them will find the HS a handicap that will take away tourist dollars, cause hotels and restaurants to close and result in shuttered businesses. A bit melodramatic maybe but the villages in Germany, Belgium, and the Netherlands bare testimony to that truth. It works in Europe and Japan only because they have the slower speed infrastructure to accompany it.

 

[Jarnhamar]

What is with the inability of people to do a basic Google Search on this forum?

Something between laziness and economy of effort.

Thanks for posting those informative links. Looks like extensive reconciliation and inclusion language. Relatively limited detail on binding commitments or measurable guarantees for Indigenous communities.

I'm sure those will come in time however how transparent they are with the general public is a big question.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Doesn't appear to be anything here about consulting local First Nations or the compensation intended for them.

Considering their penchant for protesting and blocking roads I bet it's going to be expensive. Quite a bit more than the fair market value farmers are getting offered.

It simply could be that the expectation is that any possible routes won't be going through their land?

You comments are the exact reason why I'm 100% dead against any possible route following the existing VIA lines between Brockville and Kingston. That would be an epic failure on our part if we did this.

 

[ytz]

I'm not a fan of the southern corridor either. And really that's where most of the opposition is coming from. But also the southern route triggers demands for additional stops, like Kingston which then forces more complex diversions.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I'm not a fan of the southern corridor either. And really that's where most of the opposition is coming from. But also the southern route triggers demands for additional stops, like Kingston which then forces more complex diversions.

And Kingston really deserves to be cut off from just about everything too

 

[brihard]

And Kingston really deserves to be cut off from just about everything too

It’s a shame- Kingston’s a nice spot, and HSR would make it viably commutable to Ottawa or Toronto for hybrid work. I would have liked to see an option that added it to the route alongside Peterborough. That’s pure personal preference though, I have no numbers to back it up.

 

[Jarnhamar]

It simply could be that the expectation is that any possible routes won't be going through their land?

Tricky when Indigenous communities have different understandings of the treaties. Or the belief that all the land is stolen.

 

[daftandbarmy]

It’s a shame- Kingston’s a nice spot, and HSR would make it viably commutable to Ottawa or Toronto for hybrid work. I would have liked to see an option that added it to the route alongside Peterborough. That’s pure personal preference though, I have no numbers to back it up.

Just hype up the potential threat from the US Navy, like they did last time, to justify spending any infrastructure money there

 

[Jarnhamar]

And Kingston really deserves to be cut off from just about everything too

Man that city has become gross over the last 10 years.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Tricky when Indigenous communities have different understandings of the treaties. Or the belief that all the land is stolen.

And which land would that be along the Brockville - Kingston corridor?

 

[Brad Sallows]

There aren't really any good reasons the kinds of deals extended to indigenous communities should not be extended to all communities, so that all may benefit equally.

 

[Jarnhamar]

There aren't really any good reasons the kinds of deals extended to indigenous communities should not be extended to all communities, so that all may benefit equally.

I'm sure local farmers will also be given grants to learn how to conduct consultation with the government.

 

[Czech_pivo]

There aren't really any good reasons the kinds of deals extended to indigenous communities should not be extended to all communities, so that all may benefit equally.

If didn't know your past postings, I'd swear by that statement that you were a committed Socialist.