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Yes that is pretty dumb, what is there to clarify.  Well I can say at least the Comd 3 Div sent out an email today saying there will be no further direction on this, the CANFORGEN is clear and gives CO's sufficient authority.

Hopefully not, the message already gives CO's the authority to order members to shave of "unsuccessful attempts".  That statement should be suitably broad to even make certain CoC happy :-/

It is out on the CR message centre, I seen the copy from the 3CDSG Sigs CR, I'll take that over a intranet page any day.  Happy beard day!

Not yet, but I certainly hope in the next two days the beardforgen drops....

If the RCAF doesn't want in so be it, make it a CANARMYGEN/CANFORGEN.  The RCN already has regs for beards...

I asked the CFSU(O) CWO when I was in Ottawa last if Goatee's are on the table as they are with the RCMP, he said no that's a dead issue :-/

I would hope we avoid the entire writing a memo for this...I don't think any CO wants to be flooded with 100's of memos...

I'm pretty sure the Bde Comd had the consent of the Div Comd, I would assume because the CANFORGEN is not long in coming, I had heard it was to drop today, that obviously didn't happen, but I doubt it's far away. 

Yes Pete is correct that is what I was referring too

I notice this DAOD doesn't apply to Civilians, only to Civilian Managers that supervise CAF member IOT enforce it on CAF mbrs.  So how are we regulating cannabis use on Civilian DND employees that operate equipment, we have Civilian truckers for instance.  Or even show up for work clearly...

Don't get me wrong either, I'm not at all afraid of a real analysis of what CWO should be doing or not.  In fact the SEM project/CDS directed that we do this analysis, its just that in the CA that analysis became a simple two part question.  1. Are you part of a Command Team(not a leadership...

So given that its a CAF unit, then I image if we down-ranked the position it would just be call AJAG MWO/CPO2 then...

Well I am actually a fan of the US WO System too. Maybe we would not have had to make PA's fully commissioned officers if we had a semi-commissioned WO alternative for the CFMS...just to pay them enough so they don't get out for civy jobs... I agree that RSM's are critical at the unit level...

Well I certainly did not make these rules I was just stating them....IMHO we should be able to go on the SME stream, just like the CT stream or in theory the SRCP stream. And I'm certainly not afraid of putting a microscope on what I do specifically as an ETSM, so rather than type for ages...

You are quite right, I was posting quickly, but living in a Joint HQ, were we have lots of RCN types, I've given up on correcting these things, I get called "Chief" daily, were if I used that when I was a Junior NCO towards an Army CWO, I'd have many weekends on duty to consider my mistake...

SRCP is officially an off ramp career line in the SEM project, but the actual positions have not been formalized much as of yet.  That being said SRCP is only one of 3 lines careers for CAF CWO.  Subject Matter Expert CWO is a line by itself.  So I disagree that "the institution" has decided...

Yes and I would agree, that its not the RSM but the CSM/DSM/QMSI that are handling the disciplinary files, the RSM only vets them before they go to the CO.  I'm just playing the devils advocate here, as this is not just about CSS CWO, we just took the brunt of the CWO cuts in the CA.  The SEM...

In your opinion can a SME MWO be the AJAG SM? Cheers

I do not envy you doing Logistics on a ship, my short exposure to a ship in Victoria left my knees aching after just an afternoon tour of a frigate :-/  I fear that it will be our replacements that will have to fight this fight for us, I will certainly leverage everything I can in my remaining...

I would prefer to use the term SME CWO as used in the SEM directive language.  Particularly as the CA equates technical to skills that stop at MWO or lower.  But to answer your question, the DSM is most certainly the command team partner to the Div Comd, and an outstanding leader, but is not an...