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Both the KSS III and the 212CD are currently in production . Both firms have publicly stated they can meet the RCNs delivery schedule

Very good article. Looks like it will come down to what mission the RCN is prioritizing . . . A ++stealthy dedicated Hunter Killer boat for the ASW mission or a hybrid Boomer/Hunter Killer that provides exceptional land attack power projection. His article makes multiple references to the KSS...

The public version of the mission endurance requirement is a transit distance of 3500NM to the assigned patrol area, then a submerged, zero discretion patrol time of 21 days and then a return transit of 3500NM. Which translates into a total mission duration of about 60-65 days Both boats can...

Up front, I have no backfground in ASW, but this recent RCN submarine RFI situation is making it a topic of interest. Just a very preliminary search and a topic that comes up a lot is the impact of stealth on submarine design and the combination of AI and UUV in submarine hunting Any...

Might end up being a different ending these days

Grok is a little more than an advanced word processor but whatever. I would still be interested in a critique of that assessment rather than a critique of Grok. Having nil naval and or submarine engineering background I can only only conclude it would not be a trivial engineeeibg task for HO...

Still at the RFI Down Select stage. The RFP is still TBD so the proposals have yet to be developed and costed Would be a hoot to be on the Propsal Team at HO and TKMS. when they get their hands on the RFP and extract all the Shalls & Wills for their proposal matrix. Anyone heard/know when...

A more detailed critique of the Grok assessment would be helpful. Where is this assessment incorrect? Any naval engineers out there with info?

Paying for a VLS system that we have no use for now, have no plans to acquire ammunition for that capability now because it might be needed in the future would be a very hard sell to parliament and make the Army and Air Force both jealous and upset

Questioning the CDS why Canada is paying for a Ballistic Missile attack capability that has not been approved by parliament would be a painful experience

True and it would add a deep strike capability tube launched missiles do not provide .

Explaining to parliament buying stuff you won’t actually use might be a painful political experience .

Capability that can delivered from standard torpedo tubes. A dedicated VLS system is neither required or requested, it would simply duplicate the tube launched system

Hopefully they have factored this into their schedule I have zero marine engineering background but Grok says they have some serious work to do

Fast tracking this procurement is a very good move. It would be fun to be a fly on the wall in the two Proposal Rooms and for their Red Team proposal reviews If I was TKMS I would be seriously wondering how to sell a long delivery schedule to a customer in a hurry If I was HO, I would be...

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These boats will be extremely valuable assets. Any word if the RCN is looking at the USN model of two Gold/Blue crews to maximize patrol days?

Can the RCN train enough crews to synch with this delivery schedule? Can the RCN stand up an ILS infrastructure to synch with this delivery scheduke ?

That would be phenomenal . . . Any references on this technology? The Korean AIP is essentially the older German version that Korea adopted for their boats when they were building Type 214s under license from TKMS Now highly indigined with Korean suppliers

“If they want or demand special reasons to build them in Canada . . . “