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Understood. Thanks. I was merely advocating for a separate agreement, outside the terms of the current ISS, which appears to penalize Sikorsky for some things that are not entirely within their influence. Ultimately, this comes down to if the government feels this platform is worth salvaging...

Very well put. I made a similar argument in an earlier post. Negotiate with Sikorsky on an "Extended Warranty", whereby we pay a certain amount yearly for access to parts. Commit to a minimum 10 year time frame, with renewal options. That makes it worth their while to produce and stockpile...

Interesting to see most of the expected/desired capabilities of the CDC in the French FDI class: https://www.navylookout.com/in-focus-the-fdi-frances-mid-size-frigate/ Makes me dubious we'll be able to fit this into a 2500T/105m length hull...

True, but at this point, it's the only official source of information (if we rule out Wikipedia, which, incidentally, also indicates the main gun is the Leonardo). I have yet to see anything other that idle chatter on this site indicating a switch back to the BAE gun. Not saying it isn't true...

Someone forgot to tell DND - it's still listed in the fact sheet as the Leonardo... https://www.canada.ca/en/navy/corporate/fleet-units/surface/river-class-destroyer/fact-sheet.html

Graphic of the KSS III. Looks pretty "busy"!

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That was my kinda my understanding, though slightly different number for batch 2: Initial 3, batch 2 would be 6, and batch 3 would be 6, each batch incorporating improvements over the previous batch(es).

Under more normal conditions (non-Trump administration) I'd agree. However, given the F35 is the clearly superior airplane, and won the competition already once against the Gripen, on all criteria from my understanding, even if the Americans choose to exercise the ITAR restriction on those...

The elephant in the room is still, in my opinion, the ITAR implications of the GE F414 engines. SAAB had proposed a workaround by using a variant of the EJ200 (EJ230) which is a) undeveloped (and by some estimates would need at least 6 years before it would be available) and b) would then need...

Except for one thing: Poilievre is sinking amongst Canadians, and he's probably going to want to prop this government up if he expects to stay in power beyond Tuesday. https://cultmtl.com/2025/10/mark-carney-leads-pierre-poilievre-in-net-favourability/

Meanwhile, the charm offensive from the "other" contender was in full view the last few days here in Ottawa: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/10/germany-norway-advocate-for-canada-to-join-type-212cd-submarine-project/

First Batch III in the water: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/10/hanwha-ocean-launches-first-kss-iii-batch-ii-submarine/ Bigger than I thought. I was under the impression this was a 3600t submerged boat, but if the article is to be believed, it's actually 4000t.

The faster we hook ourselves into that ecosystem the better.

Yup. Now 30 Oct. 2026. https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safety-canada/campaigns/firearms-buyback.html

Dodged a bullet: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/10/swedens-a26-submarine-programme-faces-new-delays/

The F35 with the sidekick mod (which Canada will have) can carry six AIM120s internally, plus an additional eight AIM 120s and two AIM9x externally, in "Beast" mode. It would be no slouch in the scenario you describe above. True it loses stealth, but the Rafale (or F-15 EX) would as well.

Hanwha has recently updated their KSS 111 website with some new graphics. A little clunky, but some good views of the sub itself. https://www.hanwhaocean.com/en/whatwedo/3dsubm/

SK goes with the L3 Harris/ELTA Global 6500 solution: https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/aerospace-news/2025/south-korea-picks-us-l3harris-surveillance-jets-to-counter-north-korean-missile-threats

Not to mention, the projections I've seen show it will be difficult to spend that 3.5% anyway. I have it on pretty good authority that staff are looking at shortening LCM to 20 years on major assets such as ships and aircraft just to meet the 2% continuous spend, let alone 3.5%. Going to 3.5%...