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What I was getting is some people will bring up a Gripen C scoring 5:1 at Red Flag in 2006 as a "selling point" for the Gripen E, ignoring that it's not even the same model. Just like the per hour cost figures from 2012 for the C/D, which may or may not even be accurate.

And the Gripen E has not competed in a Red Flag yet.

Before the Aurora, we had 33 CP-107 Argus.

Finland's new corvette/light frigate seems to fit the bill, other than being 13m longer than specified. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pohjanmaa-class_corvette

Usually the thread gets retitled as it evolves.

First one, then the other.

Not to worry, they're going full steam ahead on that. Buyback to launch nationally after complete failure of pilot program. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-gun-buyback-program-9.6989723

The US Marines have a reputation for being very rowdy and getting up to shenanigans, the Lorne Scots have a similar reputation.

We already have Marines, they're called Lorne Scots.

I was talking about the idea of buying it just for the Snowbirds. The few countries that do use fighter jets instead of trainers just use their standard jet, not a bespoke jet bought just for demonstration purposes. There's also a bit of confusion on the specs of the Gripen. A lot of figures...

Except we'll be retiring ships as the new ones arrive, so the crews will just transfer over. Air force techs aren't allowed to hold quals on two different airframes, so we would be splitting up our already limited number of fighter jet techs to work two fleets.

I thought it was obvious, because the Gripen E is what we've been offered. Well, you're wrong. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/saab-sweden-canada-fighters-f35-9.6987069 They've built eleven in the past decade, where did you get this 15 a year figure? How about we take this to the proper...

We don't have enough manpower and resources to start up two fleets. We just don't. If we go pure F-35, it's still going to be chaos for the next few years, F-35+Gripen will be a logistical nightmare. And remember, those other nations adopted the F-35 in addition to an existing fleet, they...

Then why are we considering buying the jet that failed our competition. Twice. The Gripen was designed around domestic operations in Sweden with export as an afterthought. That's why Sweden is the only western nation to use it. Difference is, they aren't buying new ones. The last F-16 was...

The US is unique in that way because of the sheer amount of fighter jets they have.

Both of whom just use their standard fighter jet, which can be readied for combat service in under 72 hours, not a bespoke jet bought exclusively for the teams. But if you are going to use something not already in the inventory, it should at least be something actually cheap, which a $150+...

This is just like the Arrow all over again. A plane that won't fit our needs, will cost far more than promised, will be completely obsolete within a decade, yet people have gotten this romantic fantasy about it. Saab's offers are ridiculous and will never pay off. Their plane lost our...