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You’re correct. I lived in Quebec at the time of the referendum and there wasn’t even a hint of connection to the U.S.

I had been thinking only about the Alberta achieving its ’freedom’ from Canada for its benefit. I believe *Quebecers are too savy to naively believe that they’d have a notably ‘better deal’ being absorbed by the U.S. I think there’s a lot of ‘believing one’s own argument for full independence’...

“Taxation without representation” may be a thing…does anyone really think that Trump/MAGA wouldn’t neutralize the Northern Liberal (relatively) threat to their political survival?

The difference between a Blue Grit government and a regularly foot-shooting Reform guy.

They could, but to date, they have not. Fabricating an SLBM is not an easy task in and of itself. Interestingly, the UK chose not to pursue tactical air-launched nuclear weapons, unlike….alors, La république de France. Oh, I’m not saying that the U.S. ‘eat its cake and have it too’ regarding...

That math doesn’t MAGAmath, much like Canadian per capita import of America’s goods and service at a rate 8 times greater than U.S. imports of Canadian goods gets a MAGAyawn.

UK remains beholden to the U.S. to use its nuclear capability. France has no U.S.-based LIMFACs on its 100% sovereign nuclear armament program. No matter how you slice it, the UK’s nuclear weapons program is not 100% sovereign.

“few?” Perhaps not a bad thing? 😉

Perhaps unintended, but you undervalue the benefit that America derived from having pawns supporting its agenda. The benefit was in no way omnidirectional for European Canada.

Proceeding at a good rate: 10GW more for OPG NPP set to be worlds largest upon completion. https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1007035/ontario-secures-agreement-to-advance-worlds-largest-nuclear-generating-station And G7’s first SMR broke ground in 2022...

I was towing my little utility trailer and got rear ended at a red light by a (penile compensating) pickup truck driver who told the police they didn’t see my trailer. It seems safety can be an afterthought in many N.A. Brand vehicles.

So America warns Europe of future US drawdown, yet continues to soften its position against Russia. Ironically, many European countries are actually envisioning US forces leaving (or being invited to leave) their respective countries, sooner than later. I’ve personally heard those rumblings...

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Interesting indeed. A family member living in the UK uses another British leaders name when referring to Starmer and it’s not Churchill…still begins with Ch….

I agree on the whole, though I think they France is a central driver in that consolidation, for amongst other factors, that it is in very little way of any, if being beholden to American pressure.

I wasn’t talking about a backslide, I was looking for your thoughts on ‘if not France and Germany, where do you see the root(s) of a “strong and independent” Europe?’

UK is trying hard, but nuclear deterrence is nowhere in their wheelhouse. Next best thing…SOF… https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britain-to-lead-new-nato-special-ops-force/

Interesting. How do you see that developing of not France and Germany materially involved?

And if you had any doubts that France isn’t buying Rubio’s ‘Brooklyn Bridge’ any time soon, read what France’s Foreign Minister, Noel Barrot: https://www.reuters.com/world/european-reaction-rubios-speech-transatlantic-ties-munich-security-conference-2026-02-14/ Barrot stopped short of using...

More on France’s take on nuclear deterrence and moving away from the unnamed U.S., Link to the Europe thread, to avoid duplicate postings. In short, France doesn’t trust the deterrence framework of the Cold War (implied: the ‘guarantor’ of that Cold War deterrence is now demonstrating...