The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Jarnhamar]

Gerald Stanley to pay $3,900 and receive 10-year ban on gun ownership for improper firearm storage

Gerald Stanley pleaded guilty to improperly storing firearms.

Gerald Stanley has been fined $3,000, plus a $900 victim surcharge, and banned from owning firearms for 10 years after he pleaded guilty Monday to improper storage of firearms.

The seven guns alleged to be stored improperly by Stanley, as listed in the court file, are a J. Stevens Arms Company 520 rifle; a .22-calibre semi-automatic rifle; a.22-calibre bolt-action rifle; a Winchester 1200 shotgun; a Lakefield Mark 2 .22-calibre rifle; and a Winchester 1894 rifle. 

A previous charge relating to a Ruger Blackhawk .45-calibre handgun was dropped.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4621381

$3900 and a 10 year firearms ban for improper storage.

Its unfortunate that the other firearm owner in this story who was Illegally in possession of a firearm that was not only improperly stored but loaded in a moving vehicle and present during the commission of robberies isn't facing any sort of punishment.

 

[Strike]

Its unfortunate that the other firearm owner in this story who was Illegally in possession of a firearm that was not only improperly stored but loaded in a moving vehicle and present during the commission of robberies isn't facing any sort of punishment.

I've searched online and haven't found anything in any news articles stating such.

 

[Strike]

So, found this little gem last night about the government considering banning lead ammunition (along with fishing weights and such).

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ammunition-lead-gun-owners-1.4636598

The numbers they spout are way off and they've had to estimate pretty much all of it since most clubs didn't want to play ball. I would be interested in seeing those original studies in full though.

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/management-toxic-substances/list-canadian-environmental-protection-act/lead/using-more-lead-free-ammunition/lead-ammunition-executive-summary.html

Thoughts from the masses? Seems especially sucky for those who make their own ammo.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

So, found this little gem last night about the government considering banning lead ammunition (along with fishing weights and such).

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ammunition-lead-gun-owners-1.4636598

The numbers they spout are way off and they've had to estimate pretty much all of it since most clubs didn't want to play ball. I would be interested in seeing those original studies in full though.

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/management-toxic-substances/list-canadian-environmental-protection-act/lead/using-more-lead-free-ammunition/lead-ammunition-executive-summary.html

Thoughts from the masses? Seems especially sucky for those who make their own ammo.

The quantity of lead that enters the environment from shooting in a non-range setting in Canada is not significant, given the size of the country.

This is just an attack on legal gun owners, by misusing environmental regulations.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The quantity of lead that enters the environment from shooting in a non-range setting in Canada is not significant, given the size of the country.

This is just an attack on legal gun owners, by misusing environmental regulations.

It seems a favourite of this government. Everytime there is something they don't like, (pipelines) they slap enviromental clauses all over it. Next they'll ban FMJ steel core bullets as "cop killer" bullets. Death by a thousand cuts.

Yet they allow places like Montreal and Vancouver to dump billions of gallons of raw sewage, baby wipes and condoms into our waters. Can't shoot, can't fish, can't drive. Eliminate CO2 and carbon footprint? We won't be able to breathe when all the vegatation dies.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I've searched online and haven't found anything in any news articles stating such.

What do you mean?

One of the occupants of the car that was going around stealing admitted that the loaded 22 caliber rifle that police found in the vehicle was his. Even if he actually had a firearms licence and the gun wasn't stolen (assumptions on my part) it's still illegal to drive around with a loaded gun.  And especially have it ne present when robbing people I'd guess.

To date police haven't charged him.

 

[Strike]

What do you mean?

One of the occupants of the car that was going around stealing admitted that the loaded 22 caliber rifle that police found in the vehicle was his. Even if he actually had a firearms licence and the gun wasn't stolen (assumptions on my part) it's still illegal to drive around with a loaded gun.  And especially have it ne present when robbing people I'd guess.

To date police haven't charged him.

I mean news either way - nothing saying they wouldn't charge him and nothing saying they were charging him. That's all.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Ah right, gotcha.
I think it's safe to assume at this point he won't be charged.

 

[Loachman]

The quantity of lead that enters the environment from shooting in a non-range setting in Canada is not significant, given the size of the country.

This is just an attack on legal gun owners, by misusing environmental regulations.

Yup.

Solid lead is rarely ingested by fish, birds, or animals.

Leaded fuel, leaded paint, and public water systems are prime sources of lead in the environment.

http://teachersinstitute.yale.edu/curriculum/units/1997/7/97.07.05.x.html

http://dhhs.ne.gov/publichealth/Pages/LeadSources.aspx

http://www.lead.org.au/fs/fst2.html

https://www.webmd.com/children/lead#1

 

[Jarnhamar]

Okotoks rancher charged with shooting intruder frustrated with court delays

http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/okotoks-rancher-charged-with-shooting-intruder-frustrated-with-court-delays/wcm/838fa343-fa42-4a8b-b8f3-b115c182be4a

 

[suffolkowner]

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/05/08/police-should-decide-limits-on-guns-not-politicians-trudeau-says/

guess which way the wind is blowing

 

[Jarnhamar]

Police should make decisions about guns because they're the experts.

Police have no business making decisions about drugs because they're not the experts.
:nod:

The rifle jammed on the first shot, and Bissonnette then used a handgun, but the letter asks how much worse the carnage could have been had Bissonnette’s rifle worked.

Good thing he didn't have a pump action shotgun. Mine hasn't jammed once in 25 years of use.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/05/08/police-should-decide-limits-on-guns-not-politicians-trudeau-says/

guess which way the wind is blowing

I cannot think of another area of law where Liberal politicians would even dream of deferring to police...

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Ralph suggesting that if he see a assault weapon ban, he will review it, trial balloon enough?

 

[Jarnhamar]

 

[Jed]

How is the petition against C-71 going?  I know this is most likely a pointless exercise as the Liberals have already decided to push an agenda against law abiding citizens to further the eventual process of taking away firearms from all Canadians. (Unless it is a compliant Police Force that can be bent to the will of the Government of the Day).

Future Police State anyone? In about the year 2025?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

.....and you wonder why he just appointed a new RCMP Commissioner. Well below seniority from what I read. I think she's beholden to Trudeau and will do whatever he wants. We'll see what falls out.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Goodale

Ralph suggesting that if he see a assault weapon ban, he will review it, trial balloon enough?

It's so blatant. Goodale talking about an assault weapon ban after a whopping 75 people signed their name. Fun y there's  no mention of the over 100'000+ people who signed a petition against C71.

 

[Jarnhamar]

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/pol-leg/bill-c71-projet-de-loi/index-eng.htm


Is it me or does it seem like the bill is already passed?

 

[Retired AF Guy]

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/05/08/police-should-decide-limits-on-guns-not-politicians-trudeau-says/

guess which way the wind is blowing

Passing the buck. If the Horseman start banning firearms and upsetting gun owners, the PM can say, "Out of my hands, its the RCMP making the decision."