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13 charged in plots against Michigan governor, police

Remius said:
... These guys and others like them, I think are not willing to go that far ...
Not proven in court, but read the Criminal Complaint attached here based on input from 2 x inside informants (including one Michigan militia member who appears to have agreed to co-operate with the feds because he thought wanting to kill police was going too far) and 2 x undercover cops.  I can't tell the group consensus because I can't see into their hearts, but at least some of the individuals said they  didn't want to stop at kidnapping or "trial".
Remius said:
Some of what they were planning had some semblance of formal training behind it.
Yup -- recce, rehearsals, all there.
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