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2 Men Open Fire On Soldiers At Jade Helm Training Site In Mississippi

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How politicians respond to this attack will be interesting. On the one hand, if it's politically motivated (it appears to be, given what we know about some of the armed groups monitoring the exercise), it's a clear cut case of terrorism. On the other hand, the Republicans have been both stirring up and following the lead of the extreme elements of their base. The usual "we will fight terror" line won't work here because it poses the risk of alienating a broad swathe of that base.

It might be time to have a frank discussion about the nature of what we define as "terrorism" is, and some politicians will need to take responsibility for whipping up anti-government rhetoric just because they don't like who is in office. The media has to do it's part as well. This story isn't being reported very widely at the moment strangely enough.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/two-men-open-fire-mississippi-military-facility

A sheriff in Mississippi says authorities are searching for two men who fired gunshots from a vehicle at soldiers at a military facility. No injuries were reported.

Perry County Sheriff Jimmy Dale Smith tells WDAM-TV (http://bit.ly/1UlrHi6) that the shots were fired just after noon Tuesday. The soldiers were training at Camp Shelby Joint Forces Training Center in Hattiesburg.

U.S. Special Forces Command designated Camp Shelby as one of the sites where a multi-state military training exercise, "Jade Helm 15", was expected to take place, according to The Army Times.

About 4,600 soldiers are participating in the training exercise, which is scheduled to continue through mid-August.

A vehicle matching the description of the two suspects' truck was found near New Augusta off Old Augusta Road, according to WDAM. The suspects were driving a red Ford Ranger with the words "broken arrow" on the windshield.
 
I don't know, if i were them, I'd be hoping that law enforcement found me before the SF community did.

Or maybe that's why the law is still looking for them. How many red Ford Rangers with Broken Arrow on the windshield could there be in Mississippi? ;D
 
An update: Seems that there was another incident this morning, and they have a suspect in custody.

What We Know So Far About the Alleged Shooter Near a Mississippi Military Base

http://www.vice.com/read/what-we-know-so-far-about-the-possible-shooter-near-a-mississippi-military-base-281

One man has been arrested and charged after two days of mysterious gunfire being reported in the area around Camp Shelby Joint Forces Training Center in Hattiesburg, Mississippi.

Soldiers at the center who were standing guard at a checkpoint initially reported that they heard gunshots coming from the nearby woods on Tuesday at around 8 AM. On Wednesday when they heard more gunshots in the same spot around 11:45 AM, Camp Shelby went into an elevated state of alert. Lieutenant Colonel Christian Patterson told USA Today that no one has been hurt. The soldiers standing guard said they saw at least one white man in a red pickup truck.

It should be noted that the base is one of the locations of the Jade Helm 15 military exercise. The secret military training drill is a multi-state operation scheduled to go on until the middle of September, involving about 1,200 military personnel, most of whom are from the Army. In addition to the center's usual 4,600 active-duty personnel, and reservists from Mississippi and Texas have been brought in for "summer training exercise" according to Biloxi, Missippi's newspaper The Sun Herald.

As we've noted before, the exercise triggered a fair amount of fear and paranoia about the Obama administration declaring martial law or taking away citizens' guns. The Governor of Texas has even launched a monitoring program. An organization called Counter Jade Helm was formed, boasting hundreds of volunteers, and in Texas, some of those averse to a secret military operation in their neighborhood stockpiled thousands of rounds of ammunition.

Initial reports had a "person of interest" near camp shelby being apprehended dramatically at gunpoint. The AP later identified him as 61-year-old Alfred Baria. Baria has been charged with disturbing the peace, a misdemeanor, and, after a search of his house, possession of guns, which is a felony. According to Perry County Sheriff Jimmy Dale Smith, Baria will have a bail hearing tomorrow.

Photos taken at the scene show the seemingly caucasian Baria on his knees outside a red pickup truck, just as described by the guards who reported the gunshots. According to Yahoo News, the Mississippi Bureau of Investigation initially took him into custody, and according to agency spokesman Warren Strain, he defended himself by claiming he can't control when his truck backfires.

Nearby street signs were discovered to have bullet holes in them.

Sometime after the authorities converged on the scene, they found what they perceived to be a suspicious parcel in the truck, prompting a whole circus of bomb squad technicians, dogs, and agents from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms to show up as well. The FBI has also been notified, according to The Sun Herald.

The ATF's Jason Denham later announced to the local TV news station WLBT that the suspicious package contained PVC pipe and "caps" (presumably blasting caps), but was not a bomb. Baria's truck has been towed away, and the area is now clear.

For their part, the Mississippi volunteers at Counter Jade Helm haven't yet reported any clashes with the military. Yesterday, however, the FBI arrested three North Carolina men for possession of bomb-making supplies. Authorities told reporters that the men were plotting to used explosives to counter attempts by the US government to impose martial law.
 
The previous guy was just a bat poop redneck.

These guys meant business and deserve a lot more than they are likely to get. Just lucky that they picked the wrong guy to buy their surplus gear from.

How federal agents foiled a murderous Jade Helm 15 retaliation plot

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/08/05/how-federal-agents-foiled-a-murderous-jade-helm-15-retaliation-plot/

The men had a deadly plot to lure government forces into a trap, federal officials say, and were amassing a stockpile fit for war.

There were Kevlar helmets and body armor, pipe bombs and handmade grenades, large amounts of gunpowder and dozens of rounds of ammunition for a military-grade sniper rifle.

Federal officials say three North Carolina men — Walter Eugene Litteral, 50; Christopher James Barker, 41; and Christopher Todd Campbell, 30 — spent months compiling their cache, much of it purchased through a military surplus store owner who became so concerned about the plot that the person became the FBI’s informant.

The men were arrested Saturday and charged with conspiracy and amassing weaponry allegedly to combat what they believe is the government’s plan to impose martial law through (among other things) the multistate military exercise known as Jade Helm.

In January, the informant relocated the military surplus store to Gaston County, N.C. —  just a few doors down from where Campbell operated a tattoo parlor. Almost immediately, Campbell told the informant of his “anti-government” views, according to federal court documents.

A month later, Campbell introduced the informant to Litteral. The two men told the informant that they believed “that the federal government intended to use the armed forces to impose martial law in the United States, which they and others would resist with violent force,” the court documents said.

Specifically, they told the informant that the Jade Helm exercises planned in five states were a cover for the government’s plot to impose martial law. The exercises were scheduled to be conducted from July 15 to Sept. 15, and Litteral made it clear that he needed the military-grade items no later than July 15.

Operation Jade Helm 15, a training exercise for Army Special Operations Forces, has spawned consternation and anti-government conspiracy theories. The exercises are taking place in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado, according to the Army.

By April, months before the training operation was scheduled, the purchases from the military surplus store began — all of them paid for in cash, according to court documents. There were plans, the documents allege, to make pipe bombs, explosive tennis balls covered in nails and coffee cans filled with ball bearings that would be detonated with a shot from a sniper rifle.

And by mid-June, those plans were beginning to crystallize.

According to the documents, Litteral was heavily armed with both legally and illegally obtained weapons. If government agents came looking for him at his home, Litteral allegedly told the informant in a phone conversation, he would be ready.

“Lemme tell you something, I gonna have my f——- house rigged up; these motherf—— come try to come in my house, it’s gonna go off,” he said, according to the documents.

The documents indicated that Litteral told another person in a phone conversation: “I got a f—— .45 beside my bed. I got a .45 and a 9-mil in my truck. I’ve got a 9-mil and a .380, or a .380 in her car. Safe full of weapons. You know what? Every time I open up this damn safe, I mean I’ve got, I’ve got at least 30 weapons that I can see and some tucked all the way in the back back.”

The plan involved testing the explosives on land in Shelby, N.C. But the ambush against U.S. forces would take place on Litteral and Campbell’s a 99-acre camp in Clover, S.C.

“According to [Campbell], he and Litteral intend to booby-trap the camp and draw government’s forces into the camp and kill them,” the warrant states.

On June 30, according to documents, Campbell told the informant that he feared that the government would soon declare martial law, saying: “S— is gonna go down soon.”

In mid-July, Litteral attempted to buy a rifle for Barker, the third arrestee named in the conspiracy. Barker had been convicted of a felony and would not have been permitted to purchase a weapon.

But the purchase at the gun store was held up, first by a required three-day background check. Unbeknownst to Litteral, it was then held up even longer at the FBI’s request.

In a conversation on July 29, according to the documents, Litteral told Campbell that the delay infuriated him:

LITTERAL: “it would be good for trip but like I was telling him with the pipe bombs I’m making we need a fuse we need a fuse because these things if we put one here we’re gone.”

CAMPBELL: “yeah yeah we need to take them out in the woods and test them”

LITTERAL: “I’m only making three of them this time around. Then I wanna get get (sic) my buddy to hook me up so we have a practice round.”

CAMPBELL: “hell yeah”

LITTERAL: “things are coming around. This denial of my rifle got me really upset.”

Three days later, federal agents made a move, raiding two homes along with Campbell’s tattoo parlor and ultimately arresting all three of the men.

The men now face charges of conspiracy to violate laws governing firearms and explosive devices, which carry a prison sentence of up to five years and a $250,000 fine. Campbell separately faces an additional charge of receiving, possessing or making a firearm — which by definition includes a destructive device — which carries a maximum penalty of up to 10 years and a $10,000 fine, according to the FBI.
 
Scary situation indeed. It certainly casts our response to the Moncton shootings versus those on Parliament Hill in a different light. One incident was the catalyst for C-51, and the other really didn't cause much of a blip as far as politics go.
 
As a thought...how would this be handled if it was a large-scale exercise in a foreign country?

Say something just like this conducted in say; Africa. Leads to angry local tribespeople coming out and shooting at your troops.

My thought is that they would re-evaluate the exercise; consider the cultural sensitivities of the locals and modify their activities accordingly.
 
Shrek1985 said:
As a thought...how would this be handled if it was a large-scale exercise in a foreign country?

Say something just like this conducted in say; Africa. Leads to angry local tribespeople coming out and shooting at your troops.

My thought is that they would re-evaluate the exercise; consider the cultural sensitivities of the locals and modify their activities accordingly.

cultural sensitivities of locals?  This is what I'm picturing....

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Shrek1985 said:
As a thought...how would this be handled if it was a large-scale exercise in a foreign country?

Say something just like this conducted in say; Africa. Leads to angry local tribespeople coming out and shooting at your troops.

My thought is that they would re-evaluate the exercise; consider the cultural sensitivities of the locals and modify their activities accordingly.

You mean like Reforger exercises we held in Germany? Some locals were always a little PO'd, but most just carried on with their normal lives.
 
RoyalDrew said:
cultural sensitivities of locals?  This is what I'm picturing....

Hey, cultures I disagree with/don't understand are all equal in my mind.

I mean, I could see some angry/bored natives (on any continent) shooting at us on exercise and us drastically revising the exercise in order to mollify them.
 
Shrek1985 said:
As a thought...how would this be handled if it was a large-scale exercise in a foreign country?

Say something just like this conducted in say; Africa. Leads to angry local tribespeople coming out and shooting at your troops.

My thought is that they would re-evaluate the exercise; consider the cultural sensitivities of the locals and modify their activities accordingly.

In this case, perhaps. Same if we wanted to conduct training exercises over/in/through First Nations land. If they had a problem we would probably re-evaluate our plans.

That being said, I believe their is a big difference between First Nations/local tribespeople, and paranoid, conspiracy prone yokels.

From a Navy perspective, that'd be like, avoiding a Whale sanctuary but telling a bunch of Whale watchers sitting in a traffic lane to GTFO of the way, YES I'M TALKING TO YOU SALT SPRING ADVENTURE COMPANY!
 
Lumber said:
I believe their is a big difference between First Nations/local tribespeople, and paranoid, conspiracy prone yokels.

Fair enough to believe that, but why?
 
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