2022 CPC Leadership Discussion: Et tu Redeux

[Furniture]

More on some of the fallout for Alain Rayes after leaving the CPC.

Text message campaign targets Quebec MP Alain Rayes, who left Conservative party

A member of Parliament who quit the Conservative caucus says Pierre Poilievre's office sent a text message to party members in his Quebec riding asking them to encourage him to resign.

www.ctvnews.ca

If the party did send a message asking people to badger the MP, that is a step too far.

If the message was "seen by the Canadian Press", why wasn't it shown? Makes me think that perhaps people might not interpret it the way the article wants people to.

 

[Halifax Tar]

David Akin's twitter

https://twitter.com/x/status/1569875919250096129

What I took as the essence of his apology cum explanation; "We all want politicians to answer questions — but there are better ways of making that point."

I guess the rub being this was the second presser in a row that Mr. Poilievre did not take questions. Undoubtedly frustrating for a reporter but what is the line? Do you ask questions regardless? Do you wait until the subject finishes his canned presentation (like the previous day when he finished and left without comment before questions could be asked)? Or do you immediately press the question - a valid one considering the subject using the topic as part of his leadership platform - and in the ensuing exchange get the subject to say he will take questions after his presentation? I haven't seen the end of the presser (PP's presentation became irrelevant as soon as he engaged with Akin), so I don't know if he kept his word and took questions. My opinion is that if a politician is going to stand in front of reporters, he has to expect questions. If he's not going to answer questions, then he should just ignore them (the reporters, as well as the questions).

That was pretty classy of Akin.

 

[Remius]

If the party did send a message asking people to badger the MP, that is a step too far.

If the message was "seen by the Canadian Press", why wasn't it shown? Makes me think that perhaps people might not interpret it the way the article wants people to.

Probably wasn’t shown until they can confirm it was sent.

Edit: the CBC has shown it with the caveat that it was provided by Mr. Rayes. Pretty much reads as reported.

 

[Furniture]

Probably wasn’t shown until they can confirm it was sent.

Edit: the CBC has shown it with the caveat that it was provided by Mr. Rayes. Pretty much reads as reported.

I just checked it out, looks like the CPC took what was a day of potential victory and threw it away... Must have Putin's team helping them out.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I just checked it out, looks like the CPC took what was a day of potential victory and threw it away... Must have Putin's team helping them out.

Never put it past the Cons to miss an opportunity to step on their own who-ha's.

Sometimes the incompetency they show is astounding.

 

[brihard]

That was pretty classy of Akin.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say “classy”. I’d say it’s the necessary and appropriate display of accountability that should be requisite of anyone who intends to be taken seriously in the public discourse. It’s not ‘class’ when you screw up and do something stupid and you own it. It’s merely restoring yourself to the minimum acceptable standard.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I wouldn’t go so far as to say “classy”. I’d say it’s the necessary and appropriate display of accountability that should be requisite of anyone who intends to be taken seriously in the public discourse. It’s not ‘class’ when you screw up and do something stupid and you own it. It’s merely restoring yourself to the minimum acceptable standard.

In this day an age anyone in a public position showing accountability is pretty classy.

He could have said he remembered differently

 

[RangerRay]

Harassment is wrong, no matter who does it.

Kristin Raworth: Call out harassment by your own political tribe

It is, quite literally, the least you could do

theline.substack.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

That was pretty classy of Akin.

If I was PP I would have paid him to do that.

How else would he get any air time with the Royal Funeral hogging the airwaves? #macchiavellianhellyeah

 

[OldSolduer]

Never put it past the Cons to miss an opportunity to step on their own who-ha's.

Sometimes the incompetency they show is astounding.

The abortion question enters the chat…

 

[Spencer100]

It's likely that supporters will overreach with claims of bias.

There's a fix for that: form a national professional media association, adopt a code of ethics, grant a credential, and revoke it from everyone who breaks the code. The credential is a marker of trustworthiness, and out of the hands of partisan media critics.

Perfect an organization that can even more reinforce and give cover to the bias in the system. That's what is needed!

 

[Kirkhill]

It's likely that supporters will overreach with claims of bias.

There's a fix for that: form a national professional media association, adopt a code of ethics, grant a credential, and revoke it from everyone who breaks the code. The credential is a marker of trustworthiness, and out of the hands of partisan media critics.

I do not like that.

I'd sooner have honest hecklers. The audience can decide who is the boor.

 

[Good2Golf]

I’ll call those false equivalencies.

A biased media (heavily influenced by undenied direct compensation north of one billion dollars), is not the same as a personalized branding program of facile discrediting of all but few select media elements as fake news.

This also supports a side of the narrative that seems blind to its own bombast and that of politicians who profit from that bombast (filled with nazis, horrible people not worthy of being considered consistent with Canadian values, etc.)

At the very least, shouldn’t a Canadian ask, I care more about what’s happening in Canada now than trying to rehash what happened south of the border and equate the two…?

 

[Remius]

At the very least, shouldn’t a Canadian ask, I care more about what’s happening in Canada now than trying to rehash what happened south of the border and equate the two…?

There is a History in Canada to look south and say “yeah, no thanks, we don’t want that here.”

Been happening since the revolutionary war.

 

[Lumber]

I'm having a little trouble following you, so I apologize, but my responses might miss the mark based on an incorrect foundation:

A biased media (heavily influenced by undenied direct compensation north of one billion dollars), is not the same as a personalized branding program of facile discrediting of all but few select media elements as fake news.

It's only the CBC that received direct compensation. Everyone else is independent, so why are they considered biased as well?

This also supports a side of the narrative that seems blind to its own bombast and that of politicians who profit from that bombast (filled with nazis, horrible people not worthy of being considered consistent with Canadian values, etc.)

This is the part I'm most uncertain about what you're saying. Are you saying that our politicians are a bunch of nazis, horrible people, all not worth of being considered consistent with Canadian values, or are you saying that the "bombast" that our politicians espouse is that PP and his ilk are nazis, horrible people, etc (I think you mean the latter).

At the very least, shouldn’t a Canadian ask, I care more about what’s happening in Canada now than trying to rehash what happened south of the border and equate the two…?

Yes. But you can do both. I have lots of free time.

 

[Good2Golf]

There is a History in Canada to look south and say “yeah, no thanks, we don’t want that here.”

Been happening since the revolutionary war.

Introspection, mindful comparisons and consideration, sure. I’m okay with that.

Carefully-veiled gaslighting and vilification, whilst pretending that’s not happening…we should be above that…but I acknowledge that the average Canadian is okay with the duality of being preachy and judging of others, yet pretending their own fences is fragrant…

 

[Halifax Tar]

Just going to leave this here...

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I would assert a person with, what I suspect, are your biases will see that connection. No offence meant, just my opinion and observation. You're free to disagree.

I will simply point again to Akin, the proof is in the pudding. And I think its a fair statement to not trust the Canadian media to report on PP or his message with the same velvet glove handling and spin that they will report on other politicians.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Carefully-veiled gaslighting and vilification, whilst pretending that’s not happening…we should be above that…

Honestly, that's the difference between the two pictures. PP's not Trump. Rather than shouting from the mountaintop that all news is fake news, PP quietly (via non-public email) gaslit his followers by spinning a well respected conservative reporter losing his cool over his (PP's) repeated refusal to take questions at press conferences into proof of that reporter (and the rest of the media) being biased against him. Now many want that reporter cancelled, and a fair and balanced voice won't be taken seriously. We're on what, Day 5?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Honestly, that's the difference between the two pictures. PP's not Trump. Rather than shouting from the mountaintop that all news is fake news, PP quietly (via non-public email) gaslit his followers by spinning a well respected conservative reporter losing his cool over his (PP's) repeated refusal to take questions at press conferences into proof of that reporter (and the rest of the media) being biased against him. Now many want that reporter cancelled, and a fair and balanced voice won't be taken seriously. We're on what, Day 5?

That's the world we are in now. Like it or not. PP didn't make it this way, he is just playing the game as its being played now. And the game plays both ways.

 

[Lumber]

We're on what, Day 5?

Day 3, actually.