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2025 U.S. - Venezuela conflict

In the tiny space that Trump's brain occupies, about half of the Alberta legislature is under recall so is illegitimate. Canada is a major source of fentanyl and a threat to us national security. Oh, btw, it also has lots of oil, probably stolen from them.

Anything can be justified, particularly when the other parts of government sit on their hands.
 
During a phone call-in to Fox's News "Fox and Friends" President Trump hinted that the next possible target may be Mexico.

Trump phoned in to the conservative media show after his administration’s unprecedented attack on the South American nation earlier Saturday morning, which he boasted earlier about having watched in real time from his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, a viewing experience he said was “like watching a television show.”

Trump was asked whether the attack on Venezuela was also designed to send a “message” to Mexico that the United States would no longer tolerate drug trafficking, to which Trump provided a telling response as to what may be his next move.

“It wasn’t meant to be [a message to Mexico], and we’re very friendly with [Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum]; she’s a good woman, but the cartels are running Mexico, she’s not running Mexico,” Trump said.

“We could be politically correct and be nice, but no, she’s very frightened of the cartels, they’re running Mexico. I’ve asked her numerous times: ‘would you like us to take out the cartels’ – ‘no, no, no Mr. President, please,’ so we have to do something. We lost 300,000 people in my opinion to drugs, and they come in through the Southern Border. Something’s gonna have to be done with Mexico.”

Trump was not the first person to suggest Sheinbaum may suffer the same fate as Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, who’s been captured and extradited to face trial in New York. Earlier on Saturday, Trump’s former deputy national security advisor Victoria Coates made a similar suggestion, telling Fox News that Sheinbaum “is probably legitimately concerned” that she “could be subject to this kind of thing.”
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However, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on X was suggesting China may be the next different target:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007475464219103698
 
brihard said:
Bullshit, you’re just projecting your own political views. I feel comfortable saying any of us here talking about the illegality and wrongness of this act under Trump would have held the same opinion under any president of any party. I certainly would have.
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More to the point. I wonder how one can argue that Putin is wrong to attack Ukraine and the US is right to attack Venezuela. The thing with spheres of influence is that the same doctrine can be argued Russia and China too. This is indeed the Putin worldview. It's odd to hear Canadians argue for this too. The Putin doctrine basically says countries like ours are irrelevant and can be carved up. Just like Ukraine. Might makes right.
 
Retired AF Guy said:
During a phone call-in to Fox's News "Fox and Friends" President Trump hinted that the next possible target may be Mexico.



Link

However, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on X was suggesting China may be the next different target:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007475464219103698
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"Oh by the way, quit propping up narcoterrorist dictators like Maduro, quit buying oil from Putin that is keeping his war machine flush with cash, and reconsider propping up the ayatollah in Iran - a religious Nazi - by buying his oil."
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Or what?
 
ytz said:
More to the point. I wonder how one can argue that Putin is wrong to attack Ukraine and the US is right to attack Venezuela. The thing with spheres of influence is that the same doctrine can be argued Russia and China too. This is indeed the Putin worldview. It's odd to hear Canadians argue for this too. The Putin doctrine basically says countries like ours are irrelevant and can be carved up. Just like Ukraine. Might makes right.
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Yup. Xi is happy today.

The USA just justified that any nation within a sphere of influence is fair game. And considering that Xi views Taiwan as a rebellious province and not a independent nation, yeah, rest in peace Taiwan.
 
On a military note. The youtube channel HypOps actually modeled a Carrier Strike Group attack on Venezuela using Command Modern Operations. I've used said software recently on a course at Barker College. Thought some of you might find it fascinating.

 
Next is Greenland and Panama? "Trump seeded Europe to Russia."

Trump would've had help on the inside to capture Maduro | Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges​

 
Altair said:
The metaphors work in the sense of, do you break the law to bring down a criminal?

The USA has clearly done something that is illegal in the eyes of international law, in order to brind down a noted horrible person, Maduro.

So if breaking international law isn't a big deal, and a precedent is set, who is next? I've heard a lot about the USA NEEDING to have Greenland.
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Don’t be surprised if, before long, Trump says the same thing about Canada and how the government is tacitly supporting the drug traffickers here. Drug trafficking is the hot button he has created, and the American people seem to be accepting it. So why change it? It worked once so keep on using it. Otherwise, claim that Canada or Greenland or wherever are about ready to be taken over by communist or ISIS hordes. As long as Trump can create a state of fear and then remove that fear through his actions then there will be minimal protest by Americans. Each time he does a little bit more and, like the frog in the gradually boiling water, everything seems fine.

I’m not trying to defend drug traffickers or Maduro at all, but much of what has happened in Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela and elsewhere come as a result of failed American policies from the past. America created many of the Banana Republics in the first place, and when the local impoverished peasants rebelled against their slave-like conditions and put in a more sympathetic leader, America once again re-asserted itself by deposing anyone who goes against Americanism. Trump keeps talking about the Gilded Age and how he thinks it was the greatest period in American history. It was a period when the rich became obscenely rich while huge numbers of Americans were starving. And once again. Trump wants to bleed off any economic prosperity from other countries in order to make America great again. And that includes Canada. He wants to ruin our economy to make us a vassal state or even the 51st state. The problem with all that is that when people become hungry they resort to measures they wouldn’t normally do. It’s happening all over the world. Trump is creating a breeding ground for even more crime and more drug trafficking. But why should he care about all that as long as he can add more gilding to his residences?
 
Retired AF Guy said:
During a phone call-in to Fox's News "Fox and Friends" President Trump hinted that the next possible target may be Mexico.
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Everything from flight tracker to random tourist photos have picked up a massive surge in USSOCOM activity in Mexico. That war is already underway. Just not overt.

Retired AF Guy said:
However, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on X was suggesting China may be the next different target:
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Trump has repeatedly backed down from every demand against China. He's mostly definitely not going to war with them. I think any Latin American country that has been both anti-American and exceptionally China and Russia friendly has to be thinking long and hard this morning. Cuba would be top of that list.
 
dapaterson said:
If she was not indicted,why was Maduro's wife taken as well?
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I believe in the teaser they just said she’s wanted as well. Probably a sealed indictment.

ytz said:
More to the point. I wonder how one can argue that Putin is wrong to attack Ukraine and the US is right to attack Venezuela. The thing with spheres of influence is that the same doctrine can be argued Russia and China too. This is indeed the Putin worldview. It's odd to hear Canadians argue for this too. The Putin doctrine basically says countries like ours are irrelevant and can be carved up. Just like Ukraine. Might makes right.
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One cannot. It’s not rationally consistent to argue the one but support the other.

Sorry, watching the presser, tons being said, will catch up.
 
ArmyRick said:
Where EXACTLY does the government stand on the US actions against Venezuela? That is not clear, its feeble, meek and weak response that is uncommitted to one side or the other.
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We stand that Maduro is a POS, but we believe in international law. Simple.
ArmyRick said:
Reminds me of Chretein stance on the USA invasion of Iraq.
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Chretien was proven right.
 
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