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2025 U.S. - Venezuela conflict

Trump literally said it out loud on a press conference shortly after his Secretaries of State and Defense reinforced that Trump means and acts on what he says. What part of that are you struggling with?
Again, this is why I like trump. Any other president would have wrapped this up in niceties and semi plausible rational.

Trump literally says it's about oil and he's going to run the country. Leaves people scrambling.
 
Again, this is why I like trump. Any other president would have wrapped this up in niceties and semi plausible rational.

Trump literally says it's about oil and he's going to run the country. Leaves people scrambling.
I will be waiting patiently for those who have defended this because Maduro’s election was illegitimate to come back and offer their insight and revised opinions now that Trump has excluded the popular opposition and is empowering Maduro’s own vice president. I’m sure the takes will be rational, principled, nuanced, and consistent.
 
I will be waiting patiently for those who have defended this because Maduro’s election was illegitimate to come back and offer their insight and revised opinions now that Trump has excluded the popular opposition and is empowering Maduro’s own vice president. I’m sure the takes will be rational, principled, nuanced, and consistent.
Do something about it.
I believe they already have.
 
I will be waiting patiently for those who have defended this because Maduro’s election was illegitimate to come back and offer their insight and revised opinions now that Trump has excluded the popular opposition and is empowering Maduro’s own vice president. I’m sure the takes will be rational, principled, nuanced, and consistent.
Makes me believe more that AB separatism is just a US plot, and the Ex US marine running the AB republican party is a CIA plant
 
… everybody knows …
I think you may be making a series of assumptions here. However, the Trump admin has shown it will use conjecture & imagination to justify various sorts of behaviours. So I agree that all countries in the Americas should be concerned about a now more likely US military violations of sovereignty.
 
Makes me believe more that AB separatism is just a US plot, and the Ex US marine running the AB republican party is a CIA plant
Listen, independant alberta was always going to be more screwed than alberta within Canada.

Independent Alberta would have a Canada that doesn't see the need to support their pipelines, and a USA that blocked Keystone. They would be screwed.

BUUUUUUUT, independent alberta that then joins the USA? Well, then they are golden.

Quebec wants to be independent because they actually want to govern themselves. Alberta seperatists want to be independent to speedrun their annexation by the USA.

Alberta is looking at the Texas republic in 1836 and thinking they want themselves some of that.

We need a logan act on our books.
 
Makes me believe more that AB separatism is just a US plot, and the Ex US marine running the AB republican party is a CIA plant
Step one: create crisis (in this case AB separatism, opposed by the majority even in AB.)
Step two: make moves to defend AB separatism because they are oppressed and need support. Help fund/create AB militia groups defending their sovereignty which may or may not be mainly made up of American troops.
Step three: begin three day special operation to defend poor oppressed AB militias who are actively fighting CAD gov.
Step four: lose pretext that you want independent AB and just annex them instead.
 
Let’s go back in time…way back in time…like yesterday. Remember how Trump was saying how the U.S. was absolutely going to do something about the drug trafficking in Venezuela? Well, in today’s press conference he hardly mentioned the drug problem. Almost everything was about…you guessed it…oil. He said how the U.S. oil giants will go in there and make things right. He even made reference to it being our oil since it was the U.S. that went in there in the first place and established their petroleum industry. But, again, little mention of what the U.S. will do about the drug cartels. And what about neighbouring Colombia and its drug cartels? Or in other Latin American countries? Invade those countries as well and extract their leaders to the U.S. for prosecution?

Now let’s go back even further in time than yesterday. Like a few years ago. Remember how Trump lambasted previous U.S. presidents for starting wars, saying that he would not be like his predecessors? I remember him saying that he would be a president of peace through strength. Enacting regime change through use of the military is basically an act of war, regardless of whether Congress approved of such actions. His actions now are only a prelude to what he intends to do to Canada and Greenland. It’s only a matter of time before the Americans send in their agents to foment dissatisfaction in Alberta amd Quebec to help destabilize this country. Most likely they’re already here doing what they are so adept at doing elsewhere. And who knows how far Trump is willing to go to get his hands on our resources as well? He’s definitely out to hurt us and is already doing so. As Marco Rubio said in the press conference, Trump is a man who does things and not just talks about doing things.
 
Step one: create crisis (in this case AB separatism, opposed by the majority even in AB.)
Step two: make moves to defend AB separatism because they are oppressed and need support. Help fund/create AB militia groups defending their sovereignty which may or may not be mainly made up of American troops.
Step three: begin three day special operation to defend poor oppressed AB militias who are actively fighting CAD gov.
Step four: lose pretext that you want independent AB and just annex them instead.
Could just swoop into Canada and claim Carney touched a gun.

Seems more simple than doing things the Russian way, and I don't think the CAF/RCMP does a better job securing Carney than the Venezuelan security forces.
 
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Let’s go back in time…way back in time…like yesterday. Remember how Trump was saying how the U.S. was absolutely going to do something about the drug trafficking in Venezuela? Well, in today’s press conference he hardly mentioned the drug problem. Almost everything was about…you guessed it…oil. He said how the U.S. oil giants will go in there and make things right. He even made reference to it being our oil since it was the U.S. that went in there in the first place and established their petroleum industry. But, again, little mention of what the U.S. will do about the drug cartels. And what about neighbouring Colombia and its drug cartels? Or in other Latin American countries? Invade those countries as well and extract their leaders to the U.S. for prosecution?

Now let’s go back even further in time than yesterday. Like a few years ago. Remember how Trump lambasted previous U.S. presidents for starting wars, saying that he would not be like his predecessors? I remember him saying that he would be a president of peace through strength. Enacting regime change through use of the military is basically an act of war, regardless of whether Congress approved of such actions. His actions now are only a prelude to what he intends to do to Canada and Greenland. It’s only a matter of time before the Americans send in their agents to foment dissatisfaction in Alberta amd Quebec to help destabilize this country. Most likely they’re already here doing what they are so adept at doing elsewhere. And who knows how far Trump is willing to go to get his hands on our resources as well? He’s definitely out to hurt us and is already doing so. As Marco Rubio said in the press conference, Trump is a man who does things and not just talks about doing things.
According to his supporters, Trump is doing this out of the goodness of his heart, freeing the Venezuelans from a brutal dictatorship to replace them with....well, himself.
 
Could just swoop into Canada and claim Carney touched a gun.

Seems more simple than doing things the Russian way, and I don't think the CAF/RCMP does a better job securing Carney than the Venezuelan security forces.
Id rather not want to know if the reaction time from Dwyer hill is fast enough to secure the PM, and cabinet members from a US incursion.
 
Step one: create crisis (in this case AB separatism, opposed by the majority even in AB.)
Step two: make moves to defend AB separatism because they are oppressed and need support. Help fund/create AB militia groups defending their sovereignty which may or may not be mainly made up of American troops.
Step three: begin three day special operation to defend poor oppressed AB militias who are actively fighting CAD gov.
Step four: lose pretext that you want independent AB and just annex them instead.
I never met the guy but I remember my American mother telling me about a brother-in-law who was in the C.I.A. in the 1950s amd 60s. She said he used to hint about the role he had in helping to destabilize and overthrow the governments of certain Latin American countries that were resisting economic control by the U.S.
 
Maybe not; Trump just said the US is going to be very involved in Venezualan oil, so the entire drug cartel angle may have been a convenient smoke screen to seize and plunder their oil reserves.

Also terrible news for Alberta and their hopes for a pipeline to the US if that happens, as now means US refineries would have access to cheap Venezuala heavy crude with US military backing and wouldn't need to mess around with Canada.
It is going to be at least a decade for infrastructure and extraction capacities to catch up after the collapse of oil prices in 2014 and poor management fucked their oil industry.
 
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It is going to be at least a decade for infrastructure and extraction capacities to catch up after the collapse of oil prices in 2014 and poor management fucked their oil industry.
Sure. Still, Alberta had better start a crown corporation and get a pipeline built now. 10 years isn't a long time and every day more and more oil from Venezuela will be heading to the refineries in the USA.
 
It’s more like this: “Maduro is bad”

Trump removes him.

“Trump shouldn't have done that!”

All the whole time complaining he hasn't removed Putin.
So the ends justify the means?
 
Sure. Still, Alberta had better start a crown corporation and get a pipeline built now. 10 years isn't a long time and every day more and more oil from Venezuela will be heading the refineries in the USA.
Any meaningful improvement in Venezuela's net oil exports will probably be a few years. Their infrastructure is shambolic. We do have some time.

The big change will be that rather than selling a bunch of it under the table to shadow fleets at probably a fairly steep discount, we'll probably simply see all of Venezuela's exports diverted to the open market but under control of US companies. Don't forget that Chevron already legally exports some Venezuelan oil under an arrangement between the two countries.

I fully expect no meaningful amount of that money will go back to the Venezuelans. Trump will make the most out of the purported claim to Venezuela's oil wealth to offset what was nationalized decades ago. I fully expect the US will also lay claim to an entitlement to the value of the profits they will argue they would have made since then too.
 
What was it again that Roman had one of his character say in his crtoon book of Rendez Vous 81? Ah, yes! "Power corrupts, and absolute power is even better".
 
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