2026 US-Denmark Tensions/End of NATO

[RangerRay]

I think some of the opposition to the China agreement we are seeing is what this Canadian right wing pundit is observing:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014132878376858001

There is a sliver of Canadians who would so much rather be right wing Americans that they will only see the wrong in what any Canadian leader does.

In my case, my criticism of closer ties to China predate Trump, who if he’s not a Russian/Chinese agent, sure does everything a Russian/Chinese agent would do should they become POTUS.

We need to diversify away from the hegemons and engage only where necessary with extreme caution.

 

[HavokFour]

Trumps 180° may have come far too late, and I wonder if Carney's speech may have resonated a bit?

EU leaders worry about handling 'bully' Trump despite Greenland U-turn

EU leaders will rethink ties with the U.S. at an emergency summit on Thursday after Donald Trump's threat of tariffs and even military action to acquire Greenland badly shook confidence in the transatlantic relationship, diplomats said.

www.reuters.com

 

[Furniture]

Trumps 180° may have come far too late, and I wonder if Carney's speech may have resonated a bit?

EU leaders worry about handling 'bully' Trump despite Greenland U-turn

EU leaders will rethink ties with the U.S. at an emergency summit on Thursday after Donald Trump's threat of tariffs and even military action to acquire Greenland badly shook confidence in the transatlantic relationship, diplomats said.

www.reuters.com

I expect America will be disappointed in the future when they have less influence in the capitals of Europe than they'd had before.

 

[ytz]

In my case, my criticism of closer ties to China predate Trump, who if he’s not a Russian/Chinese agent, sure does everything a Russian/Chinese agent would do should they become POTUS.

We need to diversify away from the hegemons and engage only where necessary with extreme caution.

Yeah but a unique problem for us is that we're substantially overweight one hegemon. There's no practical way to diversify away from the US without some trade with China. And yes, that will require a lot more management than we are used to.

Quite simply, Canada has had nationhood in easy mode for a while. It's rather unusual in history to be so dependent on one neighbour, especially economically, and not get absorbed. This has led to a risk averse boy scout mindset. So we're supposed to uphold principles that perpetuate the very dependency that make us a lot more vulnerable to a United States that is actually becoming a lot more like China. If you don't like China, you shouldn't want two thirds of our exports going to a place where the leaders increasingly want to emulate the CCP.

Opinion | Trump’s America Is Beginning to Look More Like China

In the great dance between the two rivals, it’s getting harder to tell which of them is leading and which is following.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Czech_pivo]

Yeah but a unique problem for us is that we're substantially overweight one hegemon. There's no practical way to diversify away from the US without some trade with China. And yes, that will require a lot more management than we are used to.

Quite simply, Canada has had nationhood in easy mode for a while. It's rather unusual in history to be so dependent on one neighbour, especially economically, and not get absorbed. This has led to a risk averse boy scout mindset. So we're supposed to uphold principles that perpetuate the very dependency that make us a lot more vulnerable to a United States that is actually becoming a lot more like China. If you don't like China, you shouldn't want two thirds of our exports going to a place where the leaders increasingly want to emulate the CCP.

Opinion | Trump’s America Is Beginning to Look More Like China

In the great dance between the two rivals, it’s getting harder to tell which of them is leading and which is following.

www.nytimes.com

The only example that quickly comes to my mind is The Netherlands and Germany. Well over 20% of all Dutch trade goes to Germany and their economies are closely tied together. Now 22-24% is not the same as 65-67%, but nevertheless, their economies are tied together closely.

 

[YZT580]

I expect America will be disappointed in the future when they have less influence in the capitals of Europe than they'd had before.

The defense industry in the U.S. is going to suffer as the EU kickstarts their own companies back into business. If even a dozen F35s are swapped out for Typhoons or the like it is going to hurt and if they start getting used to ordering elsewhere, those markets won't come back. Poland being the first exmple.

 

[Altair]

The defense industry in the U.S. is going to suffer as the EU kickstarts their own companies back into business. If even a dozen F35s are swapped out for Typhoons or the like it is going to hurt and if they start getting used to ordering elsewhere, those markets won't come back. Poland being the first exmple.

Hopefully since Canada is in SAFE we will follow suit not buying American

 

[Brad Sallows]

If you don't like China, you shouldn't want two thirds of our exports going to a place where the leaders increasingly want to emulate the CCP.

Unless you reject the premise. Then you can not-like China (the Chinese government) and want to stay as far away from them as possible and still maintain tight relationships with the US.

 

[Furniture]

Unless you reject the premise. Then you can not-like China (the Chinese government) and want to stay as far away from them as possible and still maintain tight relationships with the US.

The nation openly musing about weaponizing trade to subjugate us? That US?

We suffered trade issues with China to stay "tight" with America, and America rewarded us with "national security" tariffs on steel and aluminium, with further tariffs threatened.

Hardly seems like a wise course of action to continue to pursue "tight" relations with America. Cordial, friendly, neighbourly, etc., but "tight" is perhaps asking for more than we can give right now.

 

[Altair]

Doubting U.S. resolve, Europe looks to bolster its own nuclear arsenal

The discussions have taken on new urgency as President Trump escalates his criticism of Europe. Germany and Poland already have suggested France’s nuclear weapons could be expanded to defend their countries.

www.nbcnews.com

WASHINGTON — Questioning America’s decades-long commitment to guard them against a nuclear-armed Russia, European nations are looking at ways to bolster their own arsenals rather than continue to rely on the U.S., according to six senior European officials.

European leaders are discussing whether to rely more on nuclear-armed France and Britain instead of the U.S. or even develop their own atomic weapons, three of the senior European officials said. The discussions have taken on a new urgency in recent weeks as President Donald Trump, who blasted European nations in a speech at Davos on Wednesday, demands the U.S. acquire Greenland, these officials said.

Germany or Poland have to be the ones looking at acquiring the bomb.

We really should join them in their project.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Doubting U.S. resolve, Europe looks to bolster its own nuclear arsenal

The discussions have taken on new urgency as President Trump escalates his criticism of Europe. Germany and Poland already have suggested France’s nuclear weapons could be expanded to defend their countries.

www.nbcnews.com

Germany or Poland have to be the ones looking at acquiring the bomb.

We really should join them in their project.

The fact that the Germans and the Poles are working together on something like should not be underestimated to be nothing but a seismic shift in their relationship.
I have little doubt that the meaning of this will be utterly lost on Trump’s administration.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Perhaps its time we joined the French SNLE 3G program, after all , if we have 12 submarines by then, what's four more?

 

[ytz]

The Poles absolutely should get a deterrent.

 

[Furniture]

The Poles absolutely should get a deterrent.

They already have a pretty strong conventional deterrent, but adding nukes makes a lot of sense.

 

[Altair]

The fact that the Germans and the Poles are working together on something like should not be underestimated to be nothing but a seismic shift in their relationship.
I have little doubt that the meaning of this will be utterly lost on Trump’s administration.

Nobody believes America will be there for them. If that belief and nuclear umbrella is off the table, all that's left is the French, who are famously fickle.

Poland has been left hanging by the French once already in the past 100 years while they were overrun, they won't do that again.

Germany views itself as the leading power in Europe and won't let that decision making be left in Paris alone.

The NPT is about to be tossed into the dustbin of history.

Thanks America.

 

[ytz]

The real fun starts when the Japanese, South Koreans and Taiwanese pursue nukes.