2026 US-Denmark Tensions/End of NATO

[Oldgateboatdriver]

If the Americans want "Europe" (by which, I assume they mean they want "other NATO members") to take over the majority of the conventional forces defence capabilities, can we (Canada) take over SACLANT? Please, please, please.

 

[Halifax Tar]

If the Americans want "Europe" (by which, I assume they mean they want "other NATO members") to take over the majority of the conventional forces defence capabilities, can we (Canada) take over SACLANT? Please, please, please.

Shouldn't we be making a pacific pivot ? Europe is really yesterdays problem and place. Asia is the future, no ?

 

[Eaglelord17]

Shouldn't we be making a pacific pivot ? Europe is really yesterdays problem and place. Asia is the future, no ?

I would rather see a internal pivot. Currently we could not defend our country if attacked by the largest potential threat to us, that is fact not conjecture.

If we cannot meet our own defence needs why are we looking at aiding others?

 

[Brad Sallows]

I would rather see a internal pivot. Currently we could not defend our country if attacked by the largest potential threat to us, that is fact not conjecture.

If we cannot meet our own defence needs why are we looking at aiding others?

Because the "largest potential threat" is unrealistic to absurdity, and there are practical gains to be realized from aiding others.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I would rather see a internal pivot. Currently we could not defend our country if attacked by the largest potential threat to us, that is fact not conjecture.

If we cannot meet our own defence needs why are we looking at aiding others?

You're not wrong.

I just don't think Canadians are willing to sacrifice elsewhere to make that kind of investment in defence.

 

[FJAG]

If the Americans want "Europe" (by which, I assume they mean they want "other NATO members") to take over the majority of the conventional forces defence capabilities, can we (Canada) take over SACLANT? Please, please, please.

I think we're showing signs of making all the right decisions about our air force and navy - assuming we stay with the F35 - and a bigger role in the Atlantic / Arctic passages would be a good idea. Considering this US administrations fetish with Greenland, I don't think that they are prepared to abandon the Atlantic entirely in any event. A stronger NATO force there - including the US - is fine by me.

OTOH that doesn't mean we should abandon the European land commitments. I think that we can still play a big - bigger - part there and the political/economic brownie points that this will gain in the European community - especially the northern one - are worth pursuing.

Shouldn't we be making a pacific pivot ? Europe is really yesterdays problem and place. Asia is the future, no ?

I'm not sure that we can adequately compete in the Pacific. Frankly, I see that we can provide reasonable assistance with deterrence in the European/Atlantic theatres but we're way out of our depth in the Pacific.

Land forces there - forget about it. Do we want to station a brigade/division in Taiwan? Japan? Korea? Indonesia? Australia? - I don't see that. We're hopelessly overmatched with both naval and air forces there and regardless of what else we might want to build will never be anything but a token force there with little influence. Yes. I believe we should have a presence but we need to remain realistic about it in the same way that we need to carefully balance our relationship with both the US and China these days. Neither side should see us as too deeply in bed with the other.

IMHO, we are currently on the right course for the mid term as far as the navy and air force are concerned. My criticism of the army remains the same. We are hopelessly devoted to a small regular force army with an unequipped, marginally capable reserve force when we should be creating a large fully equipped hybrid army for the future. I don't like the current 1 Div / 2 Div model and wait with bated breath to see what the 100,000 PRes model looks like. The signals that I'm seeing do not make me optimistic.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'm not sure that we can adequately compete in the Pacific. Frankly, I see that we can provide reasonable assistance with deterrence in the European/Atlantic theatres but we're way out of our depth in the Pacific.

Land forces there - forget about it. Do we want to station a brigade/division in Taiwan? Japan? Korea? Indonesia? Australia? - I don't see that. We're hopelessly overmatched with both naval and air forces there and regardless of what else we might want to build will never be anything but a token force there with little influence. Yes. I believe we should have a presence but we need to remain realistic about it in the same way that we need to carefully balance our relationship with both the US and China these days. Neither side should see us as too deeply in bed with the other.

IMHO, we are currently on the right course for the mid term as far as the navy and air force are concerned. My criticism of the army remains the same. We are hopelessly devoted to a small regular force army with an unequipped, marginally capable reserve force when we should be creating a large fully equipped hybrid army for the future. I don't like the current 1 Div / 2 Div model and wait with bated breath to see what the 100,000 PRes model looks like. The signals that I'm seeing do not make me optimistic.

Should we be concentrating on Europe and focusing our Armed Forces on the sustainment and fight of a European land war ?

I don't think so. Russia is no threat. Their proven incompetence and inferiority should mean we can leave that for European nations to deal with. I am not concerned about trade with Europe. We have the natural resources they need. They will come.

Maybe Russians nuclear forces, but I think that's a whole different ball of wax, and we don't play in that world.

The issue in Asia really means little to no land force involvement from Canada, but we could expand sea and air and be solid ally and partner.

I still like the fortress North America concept. Even with the unpredictability of the US.

Fortress North America — GlobalGFX

“Fortress North America” is a concept from the Second World War and Cold War, a term used when imagining how the two countries might operate if the rest of the world succumbed to communism.

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