I think what scares me the most is that as horrific as it all is, he was able in some way to arrive at this rationally. We call him sick- and if there were no precise disorder that covers this we would be forced to create one, because we can't allow for the possibility that this is *not* the work of a diseased mind. But a human being apparently in full or near full possession of his faculties arrived at this as a course of action that made sense, and all of the ideology that allowed it to happen is still out there. It speaks to the incredibly corupting power that ideas can have.
22 Jul 11: Explosion near Norwegian PM's office
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Old Sweat said:
Classic distraction and good planning of an ambush. He chose a long weekend, so police staffing was already stretched. The bomb blast on a high profile downtown target with the possibility of more bombs going off tied up the entire force. Then he dresses as a police officer to further enhance the confusion. The police, or at least someone dressed as one, were already there.
Thankfully the terrorists we usually deal with at home are incompetent losers. One man on a mission can do a hell of a lot of damage.
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Nemo888 said:
Added a small addition.
Don't be complacent.
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Nemo888 said:
Don't count your chickens. Dollars to donuts there are some out there who have learned from this and MAY be planning to attempt something like that here.
We only catch the stupid ones.
Jim Seggie said:
It has now been demonstrated what a single person can do under the right circumstances. This will definitely be a 'lessons learned' for the bad guys. This degree of preparation, with, say, a Mumbai scale of manpower- I cringe at the thought.
Old Sweat said:
Yup. And to what extent are we willing to risk more intrusion on our lives, or more restriction on our freedoms in order to potentially get a marginal increase in our security? I think their PM did an excellent thing, immediately setting the tone that this would not be allowed to hurt Norway's democracy or openness. It's an interesting contrast with, say, us or the U.S.
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I don't think we can ever 100% get the "lone gunman" or lone "nut". There's always one or two out there.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/07/25/anders-behring-breivik-plotted-norway-massacre-for-nine-years-115875-23295128/#ixzz1T4mf1MPq
Anders Behring Breivik plotted Norway massacre for nine years
by Ryan Parry, Daily Mirror
Calculating Anders Behring Breivik planned meticulously for nine years before carrying out his sickening killing spree in Norway.
He has revealed he spent £280,000 plotting the atrocity. And even kept aside £1,750 to pay for a high-class prostitute before the attacks.
Breivik, 32, shot dead at least 86 people at a youth camp on Utoya island on Friday and murdered another seven with a car bomb in the capital Oslo.
Advertisement >>
He laid out his evil plot in precise detail in a twisted blueprint posted online hours before the killings.
The revelation came as it emerged he used dum-dum bullets designed to disintegrate inside his victims’ bodies to cause maximum internal damage.
Breivik’s 1,500-page manifesto revealed his preparations for the attacks and detailed his extremist views.
He wrote: “There are situations where cruelty is necessary.” And added it was better to “kill too many than not enough”.
Breivik also posted a YouTube video calling for conservatives to “embrace martyrdom” in a fight against Islam. (Link at end of article)
The video shows Breivik posing in a wetsuit and pointing a weapon. On the video he said his attack would “be awesome as people will be astonished”.
Yesterday police plucked more bodies out of the lake surrounding the island. Police say six people are still missing and the search continues.
Dr Colin Poole, head of surgery at Ringriket Hospital in Honefoss, Norway, revealed that surgeons treating 16 gunshot victims had recovered only tiny fragments of bullets.
He said: “These bullets more or less exploded inside the body. All the energy of the bullets was deposited inside the tissue. They inflicted internal damage that’s absolutely horrible.”
And as more details of the massacre emerged, Breivik’s lawyer, Geir Lippestad, said his client would address a court hearing today about what he had done.
The lawyer added: “He said he believed the actions were atrocious, but that in his head they were necessary.”
Breivik has “admitted his guilt to the actual facts,” the lawyer said.
The video, called Knights Templar 2083, featured parts of his sick manifesto – A European Declaration of Independence – in which he vows revenge on those he accuses of betraying Europe.
“We, the free indigenous peoples of Europe, hereby declare a pre-emptive war on all cultural Marxist/multiculturalist elites of Western Europe.
“We know who you are, where you live and we are coming for you.
“We are in the process of flagging every multiculturalist traitor in Western Europe. You will be punished for your treasonous acts against Europe and Europeans.”
He continued: “There are situations in which cruelty is necessary... the preferred method is to attack in a violent and deceptive form (shock attack).
“It is better to kill too many than not enough, or you risk reducing the desired ideological impact of the strike.”
He added: “Do not apologise or express regret – you are acting in self-defence or in a pre-emptive manner.”
Writing under the name Andrew Berwick, an anglicised version of his name, he spoke of five years of research before four years of setting up businesses to fund his attacks.
Calling himself The Crusader, Breivik, who admits being scared of spiders and who sometimes wore make-up, said: “The first drop of rain marks the coming of an unstoppable cultural conservative tidal wave.
“It will cleanse Western Europe of cultural Marxism and will result in the banishment of Islam for the third time.” After a 2002 visit to London, where he met the Knights Templar, Breivik’s sickening plan secretly swung into action.
And in a diary beginning in April, he documents the months leading to the massacre. In May, Breivik had six tons of fertiliser delivered to the barn at the remote farm 80 miles north of Oslo where he was hatching his plot. He used kitchen blenders and a concrete mixer to grind the fertiliser pellets so he could fit more into the car bomb he was building. On May 14 he took some time out and wrote: “It’s the Eurovision finale today. I love Eurovision.”
On June 13 Breivik tested a bomb with a small detonation at an isolated spot.
A week later the plot was almost exposed when the farm owner’s girlfriend texted him saying she was on her way to pick up something from the barn. A worried Breivik wrote in his diary: “Omfg; considering the fact that it’s a 2-2.5 hour’s drive from the capital she would be here in about half an hour!!! I’m so f**ked!
“It seems I will be left no choice than to use my glock and initiate the evacuation plan!” But hemanaged to put her off for two days, giving him enough time to clear the barn before her arrival. The diary signs off: “I believe this will be my last entry. It is now Fri July 22nd, 12.51.”
Despite his evil plot, he still had lunch with his mum every Sunday.
Yesterday Breivik’s dad Jens, who is in his 70s and living in France, was preparing to travel to Norway, where he will be met by police. “I view this atrocity with absolute horror,” said Mr Breivik, a retired diplomat who worked at the Norwegian embassy in London and Paris.
Mr Breivik has been estranged from his son for at least 16 years.
Those who know the killer yesterday painted a picture of a typical blond-haired, blue-eyed Norwegian boy brought up in wealthy Skoyen, three miles west of the centre of Oslo. He spent his youth playing football and listening to music and lived in a £250,000 two-bedroom apartment with his family.
After the break up of his parents, Breivik had his first brush with the law, aged 13, when he was fined by police for painting graffiti on walls. His childhood friends have revealed how he was just a “fun, life-loving boy”.
But a friend, who lived doors away from Breivik, said the killer’s attitude towards life changed when he hit his late teens. He said: “He was just like an ordinary boy but with the years passing he isolated himself more and seemed more distant.
“That was in the mid-90s and after that he didn’t talk to me any more.”
At 18, Breivik refused to join the army – a mandatory requirement in Norway – because he “disagreed” with the country’s politics.
A picture also emerged yesterday of the killer apparently with mum, Wenche, and sister Elisabeth at her wedding. Last night police were still on high alert as two tons of fertiliser were still missing from Breivik’s farm.
Police raided an industrial unit in central Oslo and arrested six Polish men. But it transpired they had no connection to Breivik.
Knights Templar 2083 by Anders Behring Breivik - Oslo killer
Anders Behring Breivik plotted Norway massacre for nine years
by Ryan Parry, Daily Mirror
Calculating Anders Behring Breivik planned meticulously for nine years before carrying out his sickening killing spree in Norway.
He has revealed he spent £280,000 plotting the atrocity. And even kept aside £1,750 to pay for a high-class prostitute before the attacks.
Breivik, 32, shot dead at least 86 people at a youth camp on Utoya island on Friday and murdered another seven with a car bomb in the capital Oslo.
Advertisement >>
He laid out his evil plot in precise detail in a twisted blueprint posted online hours before the killings.
The revelation came as it emerged he used dum-dum bullets designed to disintegrate inside his victims’ bodies to cause maximum internal damage.
Breivik’s 1,500-page manifesto revealed his preparations for the attacks and detailed his extremist views.
He wrote: “There are situations where cruelty is necessary.” And added it was better to “kill too many than not enough”.
Breivik also posted a YouTube video calling for conservatives to “embrace martyrdom” in a fight against Islam. (Link at end of article)
The video shows Breivik posing in a wetsuit and pointing a weapon. On the video he said his attack would “be awesome as people will be astonished”.
Yesterday police plucked more bodies out of the lake surrounding the island. Police say six people are still missing and the search continues.
Dr Colin Poole, head of surgery at Ringriket Hospital in Honefoss, Norway, revealed that surgeons treating 16 gunshot victims had recovered only tiny fragments of bullets.
He said: “These bullets more or less exploded inside the body. All the energy of the bullets was deposited inside the tissue. They inflicted internal damage that’s absolutely horrible.”
And as more details of the massacre emerged, Breivik’s lawyer, Geir Lippestad, said his client would address a court hearing today about what he had done.
The lawyer added: “He said he believed the actions were atrocious, but that in his head they were necessary.”
Breivik has “admitted his guilt to the actual facts,” the lawyer said.
The video, called Knights Templar 2083, featured parts of his sick manifesto – A European Declaration of Independence – in which he vows revenge on those he accuses of betraying Europe.
“We, the free indigenous peoples of Europe, hereby declare a pre-emptive war on all cultural Marxist/multiculturalist elites of Western Europe.
“We know who you are, where you live and we are coming for you.
“We are in the process of flagging every multiculturalist traitor in Western Europe. You will be punished for your treasonous acts against Europe and Europeans.”
He continued: “There are situations in which cruelty is necessary... the preferred method is to attack in a violent and deceptive form (shock attack).
“It is better to kill too many than not enough, or you risk reducing the desired ideological impact of the strike.”
He added: “Do not apologise or express regret – you are acting in self-defence or in a pre-emptive manner.”
Writing under the name Andrew Berwick, an anglicised version of his name, he spoke of five years of research before four years of setting up businesses to fund his attacks.
Calling himself The Crusader, Breivik, who admits being scared of spiders and who sometimes wore make-up, said: “The first drop of rain marks the coming of an unstoppable cultural conservative tidal wave.
“It will cleanse Western Europe of cultural Marxism and will result in the banishment of Islam for the third time.” After a 2002 visit to London, where he met the Knights Templar, Breivik’s sickening plan secretly swung into action.
And in a diary beginning in April, he documents the months leading to the massacre. In May, Breivik had six tons of fertiliser delivered to the barn at the remote farm 80 miles north of Oslo where he was hatching his plot. He used kitchen blenders and a concrete mixer to grind the fertiliser pellets so he could fit more into the car bomb he was building. On May 14 he took some time out and wrote: “It’s the Eurovision finale today. I love Eurovision.”
On June 13 Breivik tested a bomb with a small detonation at an isolated spot.
A week later the plot was almost exposed when the farm owner’s girlfriend texted him saying she was on her way to pick up something from the barn. A worried Breivik wrote in his diary: “Omfg; considering the fact that it’s a 2-2.5 hour’s drive from the capital she would be here in about half an hour!!! I’m so f**ked!
“It seems I will be left no choice than to use my glock and initiate the evacuation plan!” But hemanaged to put her off for two days, giving him enough time to clear the barn before her arrival. The diary signs off: “I believe this will be my last entry. It is now Fri July 22nd, 12.51.”
Despite his evil plot, he still had lunch with his mum every Sunday.
Yesterday Breivik’s dad Jens, who is in his 70s and living in France, was preparing to travel to Norway, where he will be met by police. “I view this atrocity with absolute horror,” said Mr Breivik, a retired diplomat who worked at the Norwegian embassy in London and Paris.
Mr Breivik has been estranged from his son for at least 16 years.
Those who know the killer yesterday painted a picture of a typical blond-haired, blue-eyed Norwegian boy brought up in wealthy Skoyen, three miles west of the centre of Oslo. He spent his youth playing football and listening to music and lived in a £250,000 two-bedroom apartment with his family.
After the break up of his parents, Breivik had his first brush with the law, aged 13, when he was fined by police for painting graffiti on walls. His childhood friends have revealed how he was just a “fun, life-loving boy”.
But a friend, who lived doors away from Breivik, said the killer’s attitude towards life changed when he hit his late teens. He said: “He was just like an ordinary boy but with the years passing he isolated himself more and seemed more distant.
“That was in the mid-90s and after that he didn’t talk to me any more.”
At 18, Breivik refused to join the army – a mandatory requirement in Norway – because he “disagreed” with the country’s politics.
A picture also emerged yesterday of the killer apparently with mum, Wenche, and sister Elisabeth at her wedding. Last night police were still on high alert as two tons of fertiliser were still missing from Breivik’s farm.
Police raided an industrial unit in central Oslo and arrested six Polish men. But it transpired they had no connection to Breivik.
Knights Templar 2083 by Anders Behring Breivik - Oslo killer
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Funny thing - he mentions the Knights Templar, who's original mission was to protect the pilgrims that were attacked often on their journey to the Holy Land.
What a perversion of a noble calling, besmirching the name of a group who's mission it was to protect the weak and innocent.
Good job, and there will be those out there that beleive his line of crap.
I hope he rots........in...you know where.
What a perversion of a noble calling, besmirching the name of a group who's mission it was to protect the weak and innocent.
Good job, and there will be those out there that beleive his line of crap.
I hope he rots........in...you know where.
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Another twist to this story:
Was the Norway massacre a reaction to the boycott Israel campaign?
Gilad Atzmon/25 July
http://www.redress.cc/global/gatzmon20110725
Gilad Atzmon highlights Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik’s enthusiastic support for Israel and the sympathy he has received from Israelis and, in the light of this, asks whether Breivik might have been a “Sabbath Goy” responding to the Norwegian Workers Youth League’s – to which all of his victims belonged – backing for the boycott Israel campaign.
I learned last night from an Israeli online journal that two days before the Utoya Island massacre, the leader of the ruling Norwegian Labour Party’s youth wing, the Workers Youth League (AUF), EskilPedersen,
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskil_Pedersen)
gave an interview to Dagbladet, Norway's second largest tabloid newspaper, in which he unveiled what he thinks of Israel.
In the course of the interview, Pedersen stated that he “believes the time has come for more drastic measures against Israel, and [that he] wants the foreign minister to impose an economic boycott against the country”.
Pederson went on to say, “The peace process goes nowhere, and though the whole world expect Israel to comply, they do not. We in Labour Youth will have a unilateral economic embargo of Israel from the Norwegian side.”
The Workers’ Youth League has been devoted promoters of the boycott Israel campaign, According to Dagbladet, “The AUF has long been a supporter of an international boycott of Israel, but the decision at the last congress demands that Norway impose a unilateral economic embargo on the country and it must be stricter than before.”
“I acknowledge that this is a drastic measure,” stated Pedersen,“but I think it gives a clear indication that, quite simply, we are tired of Israel's behaviour.”
Murderer Anders Behring Breivik – an enthusiastic supporter of Israel
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik)
On 23 July, we also learned that mass-murderer Anders Behring Breivik was openly enthusiastic about Israel. According to a variety of internet outlets, Behring Breivik was a regular poster on several Norwegian internet sites, notably the blog Document.no, [[ document ]] which is run by Hans Rustad, a former left-wing journalist. Hans Rustad is Jewish, extremely pro-Zionist, and warns against “Islamization”, violence and other social problems he assumes to be connected with Muslim immigration.
The observant among us are becoming increasingly aware of a growing trend of pro-war Zionist internet journals and blogs, such as the UK’s neo-conservative and infamously Islamophobic Harry’s Place, that ostensibly like to give the impression of “rallying for the preservation of Western culture” and of “standing up for democratic values”. For the most obvious of reasons, these sites are almost exclusively focused on “the problem of Islam” and the Muslim migrants’ “troubled and reactionary” communities and politics, while simultaneously, relentlessly and forcefully propounding a propagandistic Zionist agenda. Interestingly enough, other immigrants are routinely depicted on these blog pages as being “harmless”, or as “positive contributors to society” – you won’t find Hans Rustad or Harry Place criticizing the Jewish lobbies, the likes of Lord Levy or the Russian oligarchs’ disastrous impact on “Western culture” and “democratic values” any time soon.
”Signature of an intelligence agency”
Gordon Duff wrote in “Veterans Today” on 23 July that the “car bombing carries the signature of an intelligence agency. Nobody else bothers with such things.”
Indeed, it is pretty clear that a car bomb of such magnitude, and an operation of such sophistication is not exactly something a layman can put together with such apparent ease: it would surely take some specialist knowledge, and the question here is, who could provide such knowledge, and such a vast amount of lethal explosives?
I am not in a position at present firmly to point a finger at Israel, its agents or its sayanim – but assembling the information together and considering all possibilities may suggest that Anders Behring Breivik might indeed, have been a Sabbath Goy.
Within the Judaic, mundane-societal context, the role of the Sabbath Goy is to accomplish some minor tasks the Jews cannot undertake during the Sabbath. But within the Zionized reality we tragically enough live in,the Sabbath Goy kills for the Jewish state. He may even do it voluntarily.
Being an admirer of Israel, Behring Breivik does appear to have treated his fellow countrymen in the same way that the Israeli armed forces treats Palestinian
Israeli support for the Utoya Island massacre
Devastatingly enough, in Israel Behring Breivik has found a few enthusiastic followers who praised his action against the Norwegian youth. In the Hebrew article that reported about the AUF camp being pro Palestinian and supportive of the boycott Israel Boycott campaign, I found the following comments among other expressions of support for the massacre:
24. Oslo criminals paid.
26. It's stupid and evil not to desire death for those who call to boycott Israel.
41. Hitler Youth members killed in the bombing of Germany were also innocent. Let us all cry about the terrible evil bombardment carried out by the Allies… We have a bunch of haters of Israel meeting in a country that hates Israel in a conference that endorses the boycott.. So it's not okay, not nice, really a tragedy for families, and we condemn the act itself, but to cry about it? Come on. We Jews are not Christians. In the Jewish religion there is no obligation to love or mourn for the enemy.
As yet, the full facts of the Norwegian tragedy are unknown. But the message should by now be transparently and urgently clear to all of us: Western intelligence agencies must immediately crackdown on Israeli and Zionist operators in our midst, and regarding the terrible events of the weekend, it must be made absolutely clear who it was that spread such hate and promoted such terror, and exactly for what reasons.
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Was the Norway massacre a reaction to the boycott Israel campaign?
Gilad Atzmon/25 July
http://www.redress.cc/global/gatzmon20110725
Gilad Atzmon highlights Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik’s enthusiastic support for Israel and the sympathy he has received from Israelis and, in the light of this, asks whether Breivik might have been a “Sabbath Goy” responding to the Norwegian Workers Youth League’s – to which all of his victims belonged – backing for the boycott Israel campaign.
I learned last night from an Israeli online journal that two days before the Utoya Island massacre, the leader of the ruling Norwegian Labour Party’s youth wing, the Workers Youth League (AUF), EskilPedersen,
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskil_Pedersen)
gave an interview to Dagbladet, Norway's second largest tabloid newspaper, in which he unveiled what he thinks of Israel.
In the course of the interview, Pedersen stated that he “believes the time has come for more drastic measures against Israel, and [that he] wants the foreign minister to impose an economic boycott against the country”.
Pederson went on to say, “The peace process goes nowhere, and though the whole world expect Israel to comply, they do not. We in Labour Youth will have a unilateral economic embargo of Israel from the Norwegian side.”
The Workers’ Youth League has been devoted promoters of the boycott Israel campaign, According to Dagbladet, “The AUF has long been a supporter of an international boycott of Israel, but the decision at the last congress demands that Norway impose a unilateral economic embargo on the country and it must be stricter than before.”
“I acknowledge that this is a drastic measure,” stated Pedersen,“but I think it gives a clear indication that, quite simply, we are tired of Israel's behaviour.”
Murderer Anders Behring Breivik – an enthusiastic supporter of Israel
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik)
On 23 July, we also learned that mass-murderer Anders Behring Breivik was openly enthusiastic about Israel. According to a variety of internet outlets, Behring Breivik was a regular poster on several Norwegian internet sites, notably the blog Document.no, [[ document ]] which is run by Hans Rustad, a former left-wing journalist. Hans Rustad is Jewish, extremely pro-Zionist, and warns against “Islamization”, violence and other social problems he assumes to be connected with Muslim immigration.
The observant among us are becoming increasingly aware of a growing trend of pro-war Zionist internet journals and blogs, such as the UK’s neo-conservative and infamously Islamophobic Harry’s Place, that ostensibly like to give the impression of “rallying for the preservation of Western culture” and of “standing up for democratic values”. For the most obvious of reasons, these sites are almost exclusively focused on “the problem of Islam” and the Muslim migrants’ “troubled and reactionary” communities and politics, while simultaneously, relentlessly and forcefully propounding a propagandistic Zionist agenda. Interestingly enough, other immigrants are routinely depicted on these blog pages as being “harmless”, or as “positive contributors to society” – you won’t find Hans Rustad or Harry Place criticizing the Jewish lobbies, the likes of Lord Levy or the Russian oligarchs’ disastrous impact on “Western culture” and “democratic values” any time soon.
”Signature of an intelligence agency”
Gordon Duff wrote in “Veterans Today” on 23 July that the “car bombing carries the signature of an intelligence agency. Nobody else bothers with such things.”
Indeed, it is pretty clear that a car bomb of such magnitude, and an operation of such sophistication is not exactly something a layman can put together with such apparent ease: it would surely take some specialist knowledge, and the question here is, who could provide such knowledge, and such a vast amount of lethal explosives?
I am not in a position at present firmly to point a finger at Israel, its agents or its sayanim – but assembling the information together and considering all possibilities may suggest that Anders Behring Breivik might indeed, have been a Sabbath Goy.
Within the Judaic, mundane-societal context, the role of the Sabbath Goy is to accomplish some minor tasks the Jews cannot undertake during the Sabbath. But within the Zionized reality we tragically enough live in,the Sabbath Goy kills for the Jewish state. He may even do it voluntarily.
Being an admirer of Israel, Behring Breivik does appear to have treated his fellow countrymen in the same way that the Israeli armed forces treats Palestinian
Israeli support for the Utoya Island massacre
Devastatingly enough, in Israel Behring Breivik has found a few enthusiastic followers who praised his action against the Norwegian youth. In the Hebrew article that reported about the AUF camp being pro Palestinian and supportive of the boycott Israel Boycott campaign, I found the following comments among other expressions of support for the massacre:
24. Oslo criminals paid.
26. It's stupid and evil not to desire death for those who call to boycott Israel.
41. Hitler Youth members killed in the bombing of Germany were also innocent. Let us all cry about the terrible evil bombardment carried out by the Allies… We have a bunch of haters of Israel meeting in a country that hates Israel in a conference that endorses the boycott.. So it's not okay, not nice, really a tragedy for families, and we condemn the act itself, but to cry about it? Come on. We Jews are not Christians. In the Jewish religion there is no obligation to love or mourn for the enemy.
As yet, the full facts of the Norwegian tragedy are unknown. But the message should by now be transparently and urgently clear to all of us: Western intelligence agencies must immediately crackdown on Israeli and Zionist operators in our midst, and regarding the terrible events of the weekend, it must be made absolutely clear who it was that spread such hate and promoted such terror, and exactly for what reasons.
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Some quick updates: Judge orders suspect held in isolation (solitary, no TV, papers, visitors) for (4 weeks? 8 weeks?) after suspect pleads not guilty and tells court two more cells may be working with him.
milnews.ca said:
excerpt
....he has admitted the facts, although not "criminal responsibility," according to interrogators — have triggered calls for Norway to reinstate the death penalty
The maximum prison sentence in Norway is 21 years, meaning — if found guilty — the accused could be awarded just 82 days per killing.
Norway famously shot wartime Nazi collaborating leader Vidkun Quisling for high treason in 1945
Full article: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Norway+mass+killing+suspect+remand+hearing+ends/5153319/story.html#ixzz1T7r7Pr4N
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I appreciate all the reading provided, but perhaps it would be better to use another font colour than yellow??
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57 Chevy:
Im not sure what are your remarks and what are from the article. But fertilizer bombs are not complex- and thats a pretty far leap in logic to go from being a supporter of Israel to being in cahoots with Israeli intelligence that pushed him to murder children.
I expect that from Iran not from rational Army.ca folks.
Im not sure what are your remarks and what are from the article. But fertilizer bombs are not complex- and thats a pretty far leap in logic to go from being a supporter of Israel to being in cahoots with Israeli intelligence that pushed him to murder children.
I expect that from Iran not from rational Army.ca folks.
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