29 Apr 10: CF Wainwright Pers "Arrested For Alleged Drug Trafficking"

[57Chevy]

Rehab counseling is for someone who is addicted, not someone who is trafficking.  Of course, there's a possibility that they were selling to feed their own habit but I'd be guessing most dealers don't use what they sell.

True, usually a dealer with experience doesn't even use what he sells, because 1: he knows its shit. 2: he's hooked on something else that he will introduce to you later on.
Obviously the trafficker/s gets the boot. A one time offence for use is a whole different story.
Don't forget the dealer is the scumbag.....always trying to find a sucker.

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Don't forget the dealer is the scumbag.....always trying to find a sucker.

Meh.  Users suck too. 

 

[57Chevy]

Meh.  Users suck too.

Exactly my point...........suckers

 

[captloadie]

Some posters here are awfully quick to condemn people for the simple reason that it is illegal. Drinking, that's legal, so its okay. Doing drugs, that's illegal, so get rid of him and for God's sake, don't let him in my foxhole, even if he's seen the error of his ways because he can't be trusted.  If smoking Pot became a non criminal offense, would everyone's attitude suddenly change? Because if so, using the original logic, everyone who steals cable, downloads pirated movies, or cheats on a TD claim or their taxes, and oh yeah, receives a DUI, should be given the boot as well. They are no more trustworthy than the guy who smokes pot on a Saturday night. Traffickers, addicts, etc are a different story.

By the way, I'm not a user, never have been, and likely never will.

 

[OldSolduer]

Some posters here are awfully quick to condemn people for the simple reason that it is illegal. Drinking, that's legal, so its okay. Doing drugs, that's illegal, so get rid of him and for God's sake, don't let him in my foxhole, even if he's seen the error of his ways because he can't be trusted.  If smoking Pot became a non criminal offense, would everyone's attitude suddenly change? Because if so, using the original logic, everyone who steals cable, downloads pirated movies, or cheats on a TD claim or their taxes, and oh yeah, receives a DUI, should be given the boot as well. They are no more trustworthy than the guy who smokes pot on a Saturday night. Traffickers, addicts, etc are a different story.

By the way, I'm not a user, never have been, and likely never will.

We're not talking about downloading movies. We are talking about an illicit drug and the trafficking of it. You threw in a red herring. We don't allow drinking on most ops now, and on exercises as well.

 

[captloadie]

Like it or not, certain illicit drug use has become more acceptable in today's society than some of the other stuff I mentioned. And you're right, we don't allow drinking on most ops now, but what is the penalty for breaking that rule? A fine, probably being sent home early, a hit on the PER, and then . . . forgive and forget (unless it shows an individual has a grreater problem). I think the point I'm trying to make is that we shouldn't pass a broad brush moral judgement on one type of illegal activity over another.

 

[Tank Troll]

Like it or not, certain illicit drug use has become more acceptable in today's society than some of the other stuff I mentioned. And you're right, we don't allow drinking on most ops now, but what is the penalty for breaking that rule? A fine, probably being sent home early, a hit on the PER, and then . . . forgive and forget (unless it shows an individual has a greater problem). I think the point I'm trying to make is that we shouldn't pass a broad brush moral judgement on one type of illegal activity over another.

Don't care what the rest of society says or feels about certain illicit drugs. QR&Os states it quite clearly. There for that's all I care about.

As far as  stealing cable, downloading pirated movies, or cheating on their taxes, that doesn't effect the way some one performs there duty.

The reason I don't like having someone in my crew using is because it affects their performance thus the reason it is illegal. The other stuff doesn't affect how they do their job.

Now cheating on a TD claim. That is also Covered under QR&Os So yes I care about that also. How ever again let me state it doesn't inhibit their performance or their ability to do their job.

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Like it or not, certain illicit drug use has become more acceptable in today's society than some of the other stuff I mentioned. And you're right, we don't allow drinking on most ops now, but what is the penalty for breaking that rule? A fine, probably being sent home early, a hit on the PER, and then . . . forgive and forget (unless it shows an individual has a grreater problem). I think the point I'm trying to make is that we shouldn't pass a broad brush moral judgement on one type of illegal activity over another.

Am I the only one that thinks the idea of a pothead C-17 air/ground crew is scary as hell? 

You are mistaking drug acceptance with a lack of drug enforcement from the courts.  The more people are comfortable with breaking the law and judges allowing them to do so the more it looks like it is "acceptable".  The other red herring you are tossing is to ignore the phsiological effects alcohol and (in this case) TCH have on the body.  Alcohol disolves into your blood stream with water and is metabolized at one once per hour by your liver.  TCH is absorbed into your blood stream by fat and stores itself where fat is prevalent.  The highest concentration of fat with the highest blood flow in your body is your brain.  If you smoke a joint today it will be 6 months before it is completely out of your system.  So if you smoke one joint a week, in six months you will have 26 joints worth of TCH in your brainpan in varying concentrations.  But it only takes around one month of abstenance to beat a drug screen. 
It isn't moral judgement, it is practical. 

 

[57Chevy]

Am I the only one that thinks the idea of a pothead C-17 air/ground crew is scary as hell? 

You are surely not alone. THC is a narcotic.
Narcotics cause confusion, drowsiness. nausea, vomiting, constipation, decreased urination,
trouble breathing, and what else?
The big one is CONFUSION.

 

[Tank Troll]

Am I the only one that thinks the idea of a pothead C-17 air/ground crew is scary as hell?

No you are not I also don't want a pothead carring a weapon around me either especially if I'm relying on that individual to be backing me up.

Good point about enforcement and acceptance as that is exactly what it is.

 

[Occam]

You are surely not alone. THC is a narcotic.
Narcotics cause confusion, drowsiness. nausea, vomiting, constipation, decreased urination,
trouble breathing, and what else?
The big one is CONFUSION.

Cannabis/THC are not narcotics, and do not produce the symptoms you described.

 

[57Chevy]

Cannabis/THC are not narcotics, and do not produce the symptoms you described.

Find your answer here: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_thc_a_narcotic
then search side effects for narcotics.

 

[PMedMoe]

Find your answer here: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_thc_a_narcotic
then search side effects for narcotics.

Well, since the question on Wiki answers wasn't even answered, how can you use that link as proof?

Here's a quote from Wikipedia (not a much better source) which states:

A looser usage of the word "narcotic" to refer to any illegal or unlawfully possessed drug including marijuana and cocaine is common worldwide, although these substances are not considered narcotics in a medical or scientific context.

Also, a Marijuana Fact Sheet:

Marijuana is not a narcotic. Although California law calls it a narcotic, it is pharmacologically distinct from the family of opium derivatives and synthetic narcotics.

Now, can we get back on topic?

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Perhaps they are thinking of the old Narcotics Control Act, which used to govern all contraband substances. 

 

[PMedMoe]

Perhaps they are thinking of the old Narcotics Control Act, which used to govern all contraband substances.

Perhaps.  Somehow, I doubt it with the Wiki answer link.

 

[Tank Troll]

I don't care if it is a narcotic a herbal a organic or a pharmaceutical. I don't want any one the is using it any where near me or my people. I don't care if it is considered a soft drug or if it is more accepted by society or not.

 

[armyvern]

I don't care if it is a narcotic a herbal a organic or a pharmaceutical. I don't want any one the is using it any where near me or my people. I don't care if it is considered a soft drug or if it is more accepted by society or not.

But that's a whole other thread ~ the ones wondering about medicinal use, should it be legalized etc.

This thread ... isn't that one. This thread is about a factual case with real CF members facing real charges. Perhaps we can stick to facts here.

 

[captloadie]

Army Vern is correct, this thread is supposed to be about the 4 who were arrested for allegedly trafficking in illicit drugs.

But I'll go back off topic to the point of not wanting a pothead as part of my groundcrew or as a fire team partner. I no more would want to have a guy who is hung over from abusing alcohol (which is legal), or suffering the shakes because they haven't had their 8 am pick me up. Or the guy who quit smoking yesterday and is suffering nicotine withdrawal. When I raised my original point, it was meant to say that we should be concerned with the effects the substance has on the person, not whether the substance is illegal.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Not sure if this is related to this story or not but:

News Room
Update On Drug Investigation At CFB Wainwright
CFNIS MA 10-01 - June 15, 2010

WAINWRIGHT, Alta. - Media representatives are invited to attend a media opportunity that will update them on the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service (CFNIS) drug investigation at Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Wainwright.

Date: Wednesday June 16, 2010
Time: 11:00 a.m.
Place: CFB Wainwright

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Note to editors/news directors:

Media interested in attending are asked to confirm their attendance no later than 7:00 p.m. Mountain Time, June 15, 2010, with Land Force Western Area Public Affairs by calling 780-973-4011 Extension 4325 or [email protected]

 

[Nfld Sapper]

News Room
Cf Members Charged With Drug Offences
CFNIS NR - 2010-09 - June 16, 2010

WAINWRIGHT, Alta. -The Canadian Forces National Investigation Service (CFNIS) the investigative arm of the Canadian Forces Military Police, yesterday charged the following nine current Canadian Forces (CF) members from Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Wainwright with several drug-related offences:

• Corporal Thomas MacDougall;

• Private Jeffrey Brennan;

• Private Benjamin Humphrey;

• Private Dominique Malette;

• Private Glen Morgan;

• Private Michael Polack;

• Private Claude Roger Rocan;

• Private Clayton Taylor; and

• Private Matthew Wright;

The following former CF members, who have recently released, have also been charged:

• Ex-Private Michael Masserey;

• Ex-Private David McKinnell; and

• Ex-Private Melyssa Lake (previously charged on May 19, 2010).

Their release was scheduled prior to the investigation, and CF members can be charged for offences up to two years following their release from service.

The charges were laid after an investigation led by the CFNIS’s National Drug Enforcement Team, with the assistance of the Military Police Detachment at CFB Wainwright, and the RCMP "K" Division Clandestine Lab Enforcement and Response (CLEAR) Team. The RCMP also assisted the investigation with the provision of a police drug detection dog.

The CFNIS charged ex-Private David McKinnell and Private Matthew Wright each with one count of production of a controlled substance contrary to section 130 of the National Defence Act (NDA), pursuant to section 7(2)(c) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (CDSA). The production charges are related to the manufacture of Dimethyltryptamine (DMT), a type of hallucinogenic drug. The two individuals were also charged with multiple counts of trafficking and possession of controlled substances, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to sections 5(1) and 4(1) of the CDSA.

The CFNIS also charged ex-Private Michael Masserey and Private Glen Morgan with trafficking of a controlled substance, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 5(1) of the CDSA, and multiple counts of possession of a controlled substance, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 4(1) of the CDSA.

The eight other current and former CF members were charged with possession of a controlled substance contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 4(1) of the CDSA, and with controlled substance use, contrary to section 129 of the NDA. Additional information regarding the specifics of the charges is included in the backgrounder at the link below.

"These charges show the continuous commitment of the Canadian Forces Military Police to ensure a work environment free of drugs for CF personnel,” said Major Daniel Dandurand, Officer Commanding the CFNIS Western Region Detachment.

The files of the accused will now be referred to the Director of Military Prosecutions (DMP) who will decide whether to proceed or not with preferral of charges to court martial.

 

The CFNIS is an independent Military Police unit with a mandate to investigate serious and sensitive matters in relation to National Defence property, DND employees, and CF personnel serving in Canada and abroad.

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Note to editors/news directors:

For more details on the charges laid, please go to:

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/news-nouvelles-eng.asp?cat=00&id=3422

For more information about the CFNIS, please go to:

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/view-news-afficher-nouvelles-eng.asp?id=2824

For more information about the CFNIS Investigation Process, please go to: http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/view-news-afficher-nouvelles-eng.asp?id=2960

Fore more information about the Military Justice System, please go to:

http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/news-nouvelles-eng.asp?cat=03&id=3227

Media contact:

Captain Sandra Bourne

CFPM Public Affairs Officer



News Room
CF Members Charged With Drug Offences
CFNIS BG 10-01 - June 16, 2010

The Canadian Forces National Investigation Service (CFNIS), the investigative arm of the Canadian Forces Military Police, has charged twelve members of the Canadian Forces (CF) with drug-related offences at Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Wainwright on June 15, 2010.

Investigation process

CFNIS investigations are completed in accordance with Canadian police standards. An investigation includes interviews of all persons of interest, collection of evidence, and analysis of all of the information collected.

The charges were laid after an investigation led by the CFNIS’s National Drug Enforcement Team, with the assistance of the Military Police Detachment at CFB Wainwright, and the RCMP "K" Division Clandestine Lab Enforcement and Response (CLEAR) Team. The RCMP also assisted the investigation with the provision of a police drug detection dog.

Findings
The CFNIS charged twelve former and current CF members with more than 70 offences on June 15, 2010. Following are the detailed charges:

Ex-Private David McKinnell was charged with one count of production of a controlled substance contrary to section 130 of the National Defence Act (NDA), pursuant to section7(2)(c) of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (CDSA); two counts of trafficking of a controlled substance contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 5(1) of the CDSA; one count of disobeying a court order, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 127(1) of the Criminal Code of Canada (CCC); one count of pointing a firearm, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 87(1) of the CCC; seven counts of possession of a controlled substance, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 4(1) of the CDSA; and six counts of controlled substance use, contrary to section 129 of the NDA;
           
Private Matthew Wright was charged with one count of production of a controlled substance, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section7(2)(c) of the CDSA; two counts of trafficking of a controlled substance, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 5(1) of the CDSA; three counts of possession of a controlled substance contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 4(1) of the CDSA; and four counts of controlled substance use, contrary to section 129 of the NDA;

Ex-Private Michael Masserey was charged with two counts of trafficking of a controlled substance, contrary to section 130 of the NDA pursuant to section 5(1) of the CDSA; two counts of possession of a controlled substance, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 4(1) of the CDSA; one count of failure to comply with conditions, contrary to section 101.1 of the NDA; and three counts of controlled substance use, contrary to section 129 of the NDA;

Private Glen Morgan was charged with one count of trafficking of a controlled substance contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 5(1) of the CDSA; two counts of possession of a controlled substance, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 4(1) of the CDSA; and two counts of controlled substance use, contrary to section 129 of the NDA;

Private Benjamin Humphrey was charged with five counts of possession of a controlled substance, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 4(1) of the CDSA; and five counts of controlled substance use, contrary to section 129 of the NDA;

Private Dominique Malette was charged with two counts of possession of a controlled substance contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 4(1) of the CDSA; two counts of controlled substance use, contrary to section 129 of the NDA; and two counts of stealing, contrary to section 114 of the NDA;

Ex-Private Melyssa Lake was charged on May 19, 2010, with one count of possession of a controlled substance, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 4(1) of the CDSA; and three counts of controlled substance use, contrary to section 129 of the NDA;

Private Clayton Taylor was charged with one count of possession of a controlled substance, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 4(1) of the CDSA; and three counts of controlled substance use, contrary to section 129 of the NDA;

Corporal Thomas MacDougall and Private Michael Polack were charged with one count each of possession of a controlled substance, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 4(1) of the CDSA; and two counts each of controlled substance use, contrary to section 129 of the NDA;

Private Claude Roger Rocan was charged with one count of possession of a controlled substance, contrary to section 130 of the NDA, pursuant to section 4(1) of the CDSA; and one count of controlled substance use, contrary to section 129 of the NDA; and

Private Jeffrey Brennan was charged with three counts of controlled substance use, contrary to section 129 of the NDA.

Types of drugs involved

The drug production charges are related to the manufacture of dimethyltryptamine (DMT), a type of hallucinogenic drug. This was confirmed by Health Canada following laboratory analysis of samples seized.

The drug trafficking charges are related to ecstasy, cannabis, and some prescription drugs.

The drug possession charges are related to cannabis, ecstasy, DMT, cocaine, and some prescription drugs.

The drug use charges are related to cannabis, ecstasy, DMT, cocaine and some prescription drugs.

Next steps

The files of the accused will now be referred to the Director of Military Prosecutions (DMP) who will decide whether to proceed or not to court martial (preferral of charges).

The Canadian Forces National Investigation Service (CFNIS)

The CFNIS is an independent Military Police unit with a mandate to investigate serious and sensitive matters in relation to National Defence property, Departmental employees, and Canadian Forces personnel serving in Canada and abroad.

The Commanding Officer of the CFNIS reports directly to the Canadian Forces Provost Marshal.
Regardless of the circumstance or environment, the members of the CFNIS remain under his command. This reporting structure allows the CFNIS to conduct thorough investigations in a fair and impartial manner.

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For more information about the CFNIS, go to ;
http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/view-news-afficher-nouvelles-eng.asp?id=2824

For more information about the CFNIS Investigation Process, go to ;
http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/view-news-afficher-nouvelles-eng.asp?id=2960

Fore more information about the Military Justice System, please go to ;
http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/news-nouvelles-eng.asp?cat=03&id=3227