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58 dead 546 wounded / injured in Las Vegas shooting 1 Oct 2017

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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-shooting-cbs-hayley-geftman-gold-2017-10
Glad CBS fired her. What a piece of garbage.
 
Brihard said:
Police sources have apparently confirmed both 5.56 and .308. The dude had an assload of rifles in there, at least some of them clearly capable of fully automatic fire. I hardly think speculating on these details as they emerge contributes to 'panic', and it's only 'misinformation' is speculation is presented as definite fact, which it was not.
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There's been no credible media sources stating a "belt fed machine gun" was found. That term is only being used by those pushing an immediate counter-gun agenda. There are reports that 2 devices, likely "bump stocks" were found to be able to convert semi-automatic AR-15s and AK-47s to automatic fire. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02/vegas-shooters-weapons-cache-included-devices-enabling-automatic-gunfire-report-says.html Bump stock demonstration video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWrthH2OK4

Stating that someone had access to, and used a belt fed machine gun serves nothing but to further scare an already scared public, and push an agenda. Its hyperbole at its finest. In my 15 years in the CAF firing all sorts of NATO and Soviet-bloc weapons, nothing in the audio suggests to me "belt-fed machine gun". There's magazine/weapons swap time inbetween bursts, and distinct changes in audio from caliber changes.
 
PuckChaser said:
There's been no credible media sources stating a "belt fed machine gun" was found.
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Based on my interpretation of the audio, my money would be on a drum fed weapon.  "Belt-fed"/"drum-fed" means the same to the media as "LAV" means "tank"
 
Police have now found more guns in a property associated with the shooter, and have found ammonium nitrate in his car... The rabbit hole goes deeper...
 
I spent most of my career working an MCI bus, but we never dreamed of anything like this.

The worst mass-shooting in the history of the city was 2 killed and 22 injured. That was after I retired, and the record still stands.

We used to stage and wait for the Emergency Task Force. But, the Rescue Task Force model is the way they operate now.
They used it last night in Las Vegas.
 
PuckChaser said:
There's been no credible media sources stating a "belt fed machine gun" was found. That term is only being used by those pushing an immediate counter-gun agenda. There are reports that 2 devices, likely "bump stocks" were found to be able to convert semi-automatic AR-15s and AK-47s to automatic fire. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02/vegas-shooters-weapons-cache-included-devices-enabling-automatic-gunfire-report-says.html Bump stock demonstration video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWrthH2OK4

Stating that someone had access to, and used a belt fed machine gun serves nothing but to further scare an already scared public, and push an agenda. Its hyperbole at its finest. In my 15 years in the CAF firing all sorts of NATO and Soviet-bloc weapons, nothing in the audio suggests to me "belt-fed machine gun". There's magazine/weapons swap time inbetween bursts, and distinct changes in audio from caliber changes.
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Definitely wasn't a belt fed machine gun, you can see exactly when he reloads or grabs a new weapon every time. There's a consistent lull every time the shooting stops then starts back up again.
 
It appears that the shooter used a bump stock to increase the rate of fire.

http://www.slidefire.com
 
More on ISIS's claim of responsibility ...
ISIS Claims Attack At Las Vegas Music Festival, Says ‎Attacker Converted To Islam A Few Months Ago
October 02, 2017

On October 2, 2017, the Islamic State (ISIS) news agency A'maq claimed responsibility for the previous evening's deadly shooting attack at a country music festival in Las Vegas, in which over 50 people were killed and several hundred wounded.

Police identified the attacker as 64-year-old Stephen Craig Paddock. In its statement, ISIS did not refer to the Paddock by name, noting only that the attacker "is a soldier of the Islamic State, and [that he] carried out the operation in response to [ISIS] calls to target coalition countries."

ISIS further noted that the attacker converted to Islam a few months ago.

UPDATE: Following its initial claim of responsibility, ISIS posted a second statement about the Las Vegas attack that said that "around 600 cross worshippers" had been killed and wounded in a "blessed attack" in the city.

The statement referred to Paddock as "one of the caliphate soldiers" and identified him by the name Abu 'Abd Al-Bar Al-Amriki. It also said that the attack was a response to ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi's recent call to target "Crusader coalition countries."

The attack itself appears to have been premeditated, as the ISIS statement said that Al-Amriki had conducted "detailed surveillance" of "Crusader gathering [places] in Las Vegas." It also said that Al-Amriki had been martyred after running out of ammunition ...
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... and from MSM (remembering the usual "initial reports" caveats):
 
... aaaaaaaaaand a caveat on the ISIS claim:
ISIS Takes Credit For A Lot Of Mass Shootings. You Shouldn’t Always Believe Them
Sarah Sicard, Task & Purpose blog, October 2, 2017

On the evening of Oct. 1, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock opened fire on the Route 91 Harvest country music festival from a room in the Mandalay Bay hotel in Las Vegas. The mass shooting, the worst in modern U.S. history, left at least 58 people dead and more than half a thousand injured. It was an act that President Donald Trump called “an act of pure evil.”

Hours later, ISIS claimed responsibility.

Through its propaganda news arm al-Amaq, the terror group claimed that Paddock — one of its newest “soldiers” — had converted to Islam in recent months and taken the name “Abu Abd Abdulbar al-Ameriki” before arming building up a suspected arsenal of at least 19 rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. This is a scary, and believable, possibility: Between its inception in 2014 and Trump’s assumption of the presidency at the end of January, ISIS has conducted 143 attacks in 29 countries, killing 2,042.

There’s one problem, however: ISIS is probably full of shit.

In a press conference on Oct. 2, the Federal Bureau of Investigation immediately rebuked ISIS’s claims, stating that the attack appears to have no international terror connection whatsoever; later that day, Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo made an important and telling distinction, describing the shooting as a lone wolf attack that has yet to garner the classification as “terrorism” at all. ISIS’s claim, when taken with the glaring lack of evidence suggesting a connection to Paddock, is a boast designed to scare paranoid citizens — a boast that actually highlights the group’s slow and steady decline.

“The statements are absent of any details that would suggest any type of coordination between ISIS and the perpetrator,” Laith Alkhouri, counterterrorism expert and founder of Flashpoint monitoring service, told & Task & Purpose. “This appears to be an ISIS attempt to capitalize on the frenzy and gain propaganda value.”  ...
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They would probably claim Hitler or even the iceberg that sank the Titanic if they could.
 
British troops from 1st Queens Dragoon Guards on holiday in Vegas rushed to render aid. :salute:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4942216/British-troops-holiday-Las-Vegas-helped-wounded.html?ITO=1490

Off duty British troops on holiday in Las Vegas rushed to help the wounded after today's massacre, it has been revealed.
The soldiers - from the 1st Queen's Dragoon Guards - administered emergency first aid to the injured after a lone-wolf gunman unleashed thousands of rounds of ammunition onto a music festival killing at least 58 people and injuring hundreds.



 
Firefighter Started CPR on a Las Vegas Shooting Victim, Then Got Shot in the Chest.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/firefighter-was-performing-cpr-on-las-vegas-victim-when-he-was-shot

Paramedic Recalls ‘Agonizing’ Decisions He Had to Make While Rescuing People in Las Vegas Shooting
http://people.com/crime/las-vegas-shooting-paramedic-recalls-agonizing-decisions/

Group of Paramedics with bullet resistant vests & ballistic helmets in Las Vegas.
https://media.metrolatam.com/2017/10/02/las-vegas-tiroteio.jpg

Local agencies review emergency protocol after Vegas massacre
http://nbc24.com/news/local/local-agencies-review-emergency-protocol-after-vegas-massacre



The Las Vegas massacre dominates Tuesday's front pages around the world.
 

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The bump stock falls into a bit of a gray zone, I suspect BATF will suggest rewording of the regs to ban them and the Trump Administration will agree with support from the NRA. They could adopt the Canadian wording that does ban them.

I suspect that all large open air events in the US will have police snipers stationed above for some time.
 
It's sad how desperately people want this to fit their own narrative.  Lots of grief tourism as well.
 
Jarnhamar said:
It's sad how desperately people want this to fit their own narrative.  Lots of grief tourism as well.
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I agree. Both pro-gun and anti-gun camps seemed to jump to the defence (as always with these events) to defend their views. Undoubtedly, the conversation needs to be on answering the pressing question- why are there so many mass shootings in the US? The answer is invariably complex and would undoubtedly incorporate elements of mental health, gun control, and a general culture shift.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Lots of grief tourism as well.
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I wonder if Las Vegas will experience something similar, on a lesser scale, to New York City in 2001?

After 9/11, approximately 9,000 grief counselors descended on NYC.


 
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