7 May 2022 "Sinn Fein calls for united Ireland debate after historic election win"

[Brad Sallows]

Well...three, if you include Boston.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Why can't people just accept that there are two Irelands and a lot of people in one of those Irelands doesn't want to be part of the other Ireland.

Why can't people just accept there are many different Canada's ?

Why ? Because both places are still dealing with the fall out of foreign invasion, occupation, oppression and according to some cultural genocide.

 

[Kirkhill]

Why can't people just accept there are many different Canada's ?

Why ? Because both places are still dealing with the fall out of foreign invasion, occupation, oppression and according to some cultural genocide.

You're talking about the Vikings, right?

 

[Halifax Tar]

You're talking about the Vikings, right?

Im thinking more a people who like to deep fry everything, have bad dentistry habits and who are known as the English.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Why can't people just accept that there are two Irelands and a lot of people in one of those Irelands doesn't want to be part of the other Ireland.

I asked a person in NI that same question once. They knew I was a Canadian. They replied with a story that went kind of like this:

'Well, once upon a time everyone lived together on this big Island but there was this terrible revolution, sparked by those who felt persecuted by the 'evil British' and who wanted their freedom.

The people in the southern part of the Island won the revolution, declared an Independent Republic, elected a President, and kicked out all those Loyal to Britain, many of whom had lived there for hundreds of years.

They pushed them up to the northern part of the Island, where most of those who were Loyal to Britain tended to live due to historical settlement patterns. The Republic kept all the land these 'loser' Loyalists left behind.

Since the Republic was established, the people in the south continued to agitate to take over the northern part of the Island, in one way or another, and the people in the north always felt threatened and insecure....

... you know, kind of like Canada."

More proof that the Irish are great story tellers

 

[OldSolduer]

I fear that this will not go well.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Why can't people just accept there are many different Canada's ?

Why ? Because both places are still dealing with the fall out of foreign invasion, occupation, oppression and according to some cultural genocide.

I thought there was a single, unified Canadian identity? At least, based on folks criticizing others who've said there isn't a single Canadian identity, even there are shared values, you'd think there is?

Goofiness aside, you've hit the nail on the head - lots of places around the world are dealing with the same ingredients you mention, with very different stews resulting (NI, former Yugoslavia, Canada, UKR-USSR 2.0, etc.)

 

[torg003]

There's actually only one Ireland, that's the island called Ireland. Anyone born one that island is Irish no matter what part they live in. The Republic of Ireland is just the republican country that covers part of the island of Ireland. People need to stop confusing political entities with geographical ones. The republic and NI just need to work out some sort of confederation, an Irish Union (or whatever they want to call it). There's no reason why there can't be a republican part and a royalist part of the island of Ireland and these 2 parts be part of some sort of political union. No reason, but also no will.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I thought there was a single, unified Canadian identity? At least, based on folks criticizing others who've said there isn't a single Canadian identity, even there are shared values, you'd think there is?

Goofiness aside, you've hit the nail on the head - lots of places around the world are dealing with the same ingredients you mention, with very different stews resulting (NI, former Yugoslavia, Canada, UKR-USSR 2.0, etc.)

I believe our PM would have you believe Canada does not have an identity at all and post nationalism and all that jazz

Like I said before, I'd love to see island whole again but I want peace more.

 

[torg003]

The island is whole. Just 2 political entities on it and , as I said, no reason why they can't work out some sort of political union (if they really want to).

 

[daftandbarmy]

The island is whole. Just 2 political entities on it and , as I said, no reason why they can't work out some sort of political union (if they really want to).

Yeah, that should be easy

 

[torg003]

Didn't say it would be easy. There would have to be a will on both sides, which there is not right now.

 

[mariomike]

Anyone born one that island is Irish no matter what part they live in.

Even if neither you, or either of your parents, were born there. I've never even been to Ireland.

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[Kirkhill]

As a reminder Sinn Fein is part of the radical left and always has been. It is more anti-Brit and anti-West than it is pro-Catholic or even pro-Nationalist.

This is becoming a problem for it in Ireland.

Last Sunday, the reliable Red C poll showed Sinn Fein suffering a drop of another 4 per cent, which took its rating to the lowest point since the last General Election. At its height, it had been 35 per cent; now it is down to 25 per cent. This has not been to the benefit of the governing parties: Leo Varadkar’s Fine Gael and Micheál Martin’s Fianna Fail are steady at 20 per cent and 17 per cent respectively. Red C found that 66 per cent think Ireland has taken in too many refugees, anti-immigrant independents are gaining, and interest is being shown in tiny Right-wing parties like Ireland First.

And another problem they are likely facing

McDonald even came under attack for not boycotting the St Patrick’s Day reception in the White House, but she needs to keep Joe Biden sweet, given Irish-America provided the party with close to a million dollars last year.

McDonald and Varadkar, as well as the Remainer community, are all dead keen on keeping Biden in power. Biden is no friend of the Brits.

Mass migration is dashing Sinn Fein’s dreams​

While it brags about Irish unity, the party is facing trouble with voters given its pro-immigration stance
RUTH DUDLEY EDWARDS31 January 2024 • 6:43pm





On the one hand, Mary Lou McDonald, Sinn Fein president and leader of the opposition in the Republic of Ireland, is triumphant. This week, predicting the imminent elevation of her vice president, Michelle O’Neill, to be first minister of Northern Ireland, she declared that it would mean Irish unity was “within touching distance”.
On the other, she is staying very quiet about some serious, unexpected challenges facing her party.
With the next Irish general election due by March 2025, McDonald has been confidently predicting that Sinn Fein will soon be in government north and south of the border, prompting a border poll in which people of both jurisdictions will vote yes to end partition, and everyone will live happily ever after.
Never mind that, to the clear-minded, it is obvious that an awful lot of people in the South are not interested in Northerners of any politics, are happy with their country as it is, don’t want to import new tensions or make concessions to Unionists, and, when the chips were down, would vote against unity.
Sinn Fein now faces a wider problem. As the electorate of the Republic has become increasingly exercised about mass immigration, the party is splitting over what line to take.
Until now, strategic decisions in Sinn Fein have been taken smoothly. The party is intensely secretive in its practices. Leaders and policies are imposed and dissenters generally find themselves capitulating or leaving.
The desire for power had produced a coherent political strategy: all sacred cows other than a united 32 counties and support for Palestinians could be slaughtered if it was deemed necessary to maintain Sinn Fein’s progressive image, which included its traditional enthusiasm for immigrants and asylum seekers.
And the general view was that, unlike their oppressors, the racist Brits, the Irish knew what it was to have to leave your country and so embraced immigrants with a spirit not unlike that of Angela Merkel. Their generosity was such that even Ukrainian refugees (100,000 at one stage) in other European countries flocked to Ireland.
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That the mainstream media in Ireland is dominated by Guardianista types who avoid airing views of which they disapprove had certainly helped Sinn Fein. There was almost no national coverage until very recently of protests about hotels being requisitioned to house asylum seekers in little towns all over the country. And like the riots that broke out in Dublin, when they were covered, they were blamed on the far-Right, who at that point hardly existed.
But anyone who cared to look could see that this was absurd: as a local in the small town of Roscrea, which had attracted obloquy for trying to stop its only hotel being filled with asylum seekers, put it: “We’re putting up with people coming into this town for years and we never had a bother. And now they’re calling us Nazis. The truth is being twisted.” Some Sinn Fein politicians are defying HQ to join these protests.
Until recently, Sinn Fein had been soaring in the polls and the votes of the young – who know little of the bloody history of the IRA – had seemed securely in the bag. But in spite of the party’s irresponsible promises of a housing bonanza, that support has begun to slip.
Last Sunday, the reliable Red C poll showed Sinn Fein suffering a drop of another 4 per cent, which took its rating to the lowest point since the last General Election. At its height, it had been 35 per cent; now it is down to 25 per cent. This has not been to the benefit of the governing parties: Leo Varadkar’s Fine Gael and Micheál Martin’s Fianna Fail are steady at 20 per cent and 17 per cent respectively. Red C found that 66 per cent think Ireland has taken in too many refugees, anti-immigrant independents are gaining, and interest is being shown in tiny Right-wing parties like Ireland First.
How will Sinn Fein attempt to reverse this trend? It upped its rhetorical attacks on Israel, only to be outflanked by rivals on the far Left. McDonald even came under attack for not boycotting the St Patrick’s Day reception in the White House, but she needs to keep Joe Biden sweet, given Irish-America provided the party with close to a million dollars last year.
Poor Mary Lou. So little time: so many circles to square.

Mass migration is dashing Sinn Fein’s dreams