8 Canadians killed in Israeli airstrikes, Ottawa sends ships for evacuation

[vonGarvin]

Hmmm let`s see.....nearly 300 civilians killed and massive destruction to civilian infrastructure over the last week in Lebanon.
You call that defense?
I call it a massacre.

The only reason that Isreal continues to exist is because they can conduct "offensive action", which is sometime necessary to survive.

A massacre is what happened in NYC on 9/11. 

A massacre is what is happening in Haifa and in other places where Hezbollah is DELIBERATELY trying to murder women, men and children.

 

[Bo]

You haven't taken into fact that many of these 'villages' are Hezbollah strongholds, and they are not exactly 'innocent' civilians.

Perhaps you would like to look up some of the 'Laws of War' and what is said about purposely targetting 'Civilians'?

Straight from Amnesty International:

In Lebanon, it is civilians who are paying the heaviest price of the Israeli bombing campaign. At least 200 civilians, including dozens of children, are reported to be among some 215 Lebanese killed by Israeli air strikes in Lebanon since 12 July. In the same period, Hizbullah’s armed wing has killed 12 Israeli civilians, including one child, in rocket attacks into Northern Israel, as well as 12 soldiers. Hundreds of others, including many civilians, have been injured on both sides.

Israeli forces have carried out large-scale destruction of civilian infrastructure throughout Lebanon, deliberately targeting and destroying dozens of bridges, roads, powers stations, the international airport and ports, grain silos and other facilities. Tens of thousands of civilians have been forced to flee their homes, notably in South Lebanon and in the suburbs of the capital, Beirut.

Hizbullah has also shown disregard for civilian lives by deliberately firing hundreds of katyusha and other rockets into towns and villages in Northern Israel, killing several Israeli civilians and injuring many more, and causing substantial damage to homes and other civilian properties.

http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGIOR410122006

Dead civilians are dead civilians whether purposely targeted or not. Whether or not civilians were deliberately targeted for killing, the IDF’s systematic destruction of housing, roads, transport, electricity, water supplies, sewage—every necessity of life—is aimed at forcing ethnic Arabs to flee their lands. But oh, wait.....they can`t leave because all the roads and bridges are destroyed  :

Perhaps you would like to look into the UN's declaring that the Lebanese Government destroy Hezbollah, and the fact that instead of that happening, Hezbollah candidates were elected to the Government?

UN? Did you say UN???

A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"

1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for their immediate return. 


What about Israeli war crimes against the inhabitants in Jenin? The Bush administration intervened with U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan to head off an investigation of Jenin as authorized by U.N. Security Council Resolution 1405 (19 April 2002).


Israel’s offensive against peace
War crimes
By Alain Gresh

"The 1949 Geneva Conventions state, in article 54 of their additional protocol: “Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare is prohibited”. It is also “prohibited to attack, destroy, remove or render useless objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population”. That means that the Israeli army’s latest offensive in the occupied territories amounts to war crimes; it includes the blockade of the civilian population and their collective punishment, the bombing of Gaza’s $150m power station, depriving 750,000 Palestinians of electricity in the intense summer heat, and the kidnapping on the West Bank of 64 members of the political wing of Hamas, including eight cabinet ministers and 22 members of the Palestinian Legislative Council. On 5 July the Israeli government said it would expand its military operation in Gaza.

Israel has violated another principle of international law in this offensive: proportionality. Article 51 of the protocol forbids “an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.” Can saving one soldier’s life justify destruction on this scale?"

Perhaps you should look deeper into the subject?

I know that there are some interesting articles being published these days......some will make it into this discusion.

Interesting articles indeed...

 

[George Wallace]

I think someone has exposed their biases.  A rather one-side tirade.   What about the list of UN Resolutions against "Lebanon"? 

 

[CanadaPhil]

Wow, thats one hell of a little "unprepared" tirade there BO.

No agenda there huh?

Unfortunately, you overlooked (perhaps deliberately) the most important resolution of all regarding this whole issue.

No. 1559

I am sure that you must have the entire text of that one. Afterall, THAT ONE is not even a YEAR OLD.

Would you kindly post that one please.

 

[GAP]

Wow, thats one hell of a little "unprepared" tirade there BO.
No agenda there huh?

I don't supposed BO would care to list who sponsored and supported all those resolutions against Isreal would he? I didn't think so, he had a point to make, and no damn fact is going get in his way. oh well...

 

[bcbarman]

Gonna toss in my $0.02 (can't find the cents symbol on my computer) 

200 Civvies killed in Lebanon

12 Civvies killed in Israel.

umm, why.  I know that Israel has better guns, planes and missiles, but they also have more accurate guns, missiles and planes.

Could it be that Israel knows that when there is a risk to its Civvy population, they pull their people out of direct harm.  Those Israeli Civilians that choose not to leave are given a rifle and told to remember their training, point in direction of enemy, squeeze trigger until red mist appears, then repeat.

What kind of culture uses children and non-coms as shrapnel catchers, leaving them in a potential area of fire.  If it was my kids 6 miles from the border, I do not care how much they want to visit Nana, we are leaving now!

This is a bad conflict, there will be no winner, just a lot of dead people, and heaven help us if one of those missing Russian nukes end up in the hands of Hamas or Hezbollah.  I seem to remember the quote of "destroy the Jewish state" that the mask wearing wackos are chanting, not go in there and take their land!

Sleeping UNDER the bed for the rest of the week.

 

[paracowboy]

some free-form thoughts on the whole thing, some of which is plagiarized here and there to save me the typing. Yeah, I can be lazy, so what. Bite me.

On the Whole Canadian Civilians in Lebanon thing: It's almost laughable how the press immediately started attacking Harper for not "acting quickly enough" to evacuate Canadians from Beirut. You know, the government issuing travel warnings should be enough for people to take into account that their destination my not be a pleasurable one if they follow through with their travel plans. Not only that, but when you defy a travel warning and find yourself in the middle of a shitstorm, the Canadian embassy staff and members of the military/government are going to risk their lives to drag your sorry carcass out of harm's way..... all because of not considering the full scope of a Travel Warning. And, if you're sticking around when the nation you're in decides to ramp up violence, when you have a passport, y'know what? You're on your own.

On the Media: I should be shocked at how the media is demonizing Israel for defending themselves against these terrorist scumbags. But I’m not. Every story mentions a "heavy handed" or "excessive" response towards Lebanon. I wonder if any of these media types have ever had to worry about something as simple as going to the grocery store, post office, or to the park with their kids without fearing some oxygen thief will blow themselves up as they stand in line. It just seems that no matter how many times HAMAS/Islamic Jihad/Hizbollah/Al-Aqsa carry out acts of Terror that kill innocent civilians, the media will immediately start licking the boots of the Arabs and condemn the Israelis. (And, of course, the United States/Halliburton/Bush/Vast Right Wing Conspiracy). It would seem our sadly confused young friend Bo falls into line here.

On Israel's targets: All legitimate military targets. The Israeli strategy appears to be designed to do two things. First, the Israelis are trying to prevent any supplies from entering Lebanon, including reinforcements. That is why they are attacking all coastal maritime facilities. Second, they are degrading the roads in Lebanon. That will keep reinforcements from reaching Hizbollah fighters engaged in the south. As important, it will prevent the withdrawal and redeployment of heavy equipment deployed by Hizbollah in the south, particularly their rockets, missiles and launchers. The Israelis are preparing the battlefield to prevent a Hizbollah retreat or manoeuvre.
The airport in Beirut and Lebanon's shipping ports are transportation hubs for the Syrian and Iranian intelligence and military officials who help train, equip, and run Hizbollah. These same transportation hubs, were they not disabled, would be used to re-supply Hizbollah. Israel also fears that its kidnapped soldiers will be smuggled to Iran or Syria. It would have been foolish and irresponsible NOT to have disabled Lebanon's transportation infrastructure. They are not targeting 'gated communities' or the local swimming pool. Are some innocents dying? Of course there are. The goal isn't civilians, hence the fliers dropped to warn the civilian population. The IDF makes every effort to keep civilians out of harm's way. Israel, like us, like the UK, like the US, like all civilized nations, go out of their way to not kill as many innocents as possible. THEIR ENEMIES DON'T. In the last 72 hours the Hizbollah terror organization has launched hundreds of rockets indiscriminately at Israeli cities putting over a million Israeli citizens within the range of missile fire. Responsibility for endangering civilian population rests on the Hizbollah terror organization which operates and launches missiles at Israel from populated civilian areas. They choose to operate among civilians, those civilians know they are terrorists, and support them anyway. Collateral damage sucks, but when you've got circumstances like Israel, what other options do you have? It isn't about gain, it's about surviving.
Even the choice of weapons the enemy uses identifies their aims: mass civilian casualties. The Katyusha, as well as the Iranian-supplied Fajr variants, are artillery rockets, not missiles. They lack anything but the most rudimentary guidance system. Fired against urban targets or border settlements, they are nothing more than terror weapons. Suicide bombers, VBIEDs, and random shootings. Compare these to the Israeli tactics.

On the “Hizbollah is Democratically Elected” Crap: Just because a nation democratically elects leadership does not mean that we are going to support that leadership. Adolf Hitler gained a significant portion of the vote in Germany (he was never elected, that is myth). Mussolini was legally elected to power. The problem is promoting responsible Democracy. People are always going to vote for who they think would best benefit them. And in regions unfamiliar with democracy, the entire process is extremely open to corruption and subversion. That does not mean, of course, we should not encourage democracy. But, we must continue to monitor it, as we promote it. And, there are going to be times when we will have to squash a "democratically elected" government. Oh well.

On Israel and The Peace Process: Israel has been doing their part to bring peace in the region. Hell, the Israelis want peace more than anyone else in the area. They have the most to lose. They have gave up land to reach that goal. Time after time they’ve been attacked but people want to close their eyes to evil and say it is just a misunderstanding, or they blame Israel for existing and wanting to continue doing so. Israel, in my opinion, has done more than enough to try and allow peace to come to the region. It's very clear: Israel withdrew from Lebanon and Gaza of it's own accord, and left each region alone despite instigation from each. Back where I come from, we phrase it pretty simply: Don't Start No Shit, Won't Be None!
As their PM asked (paraphrased) "What nation other than Israel is expected to sustain a thousand rocket attacks, and not destroy their attackers?"
Israel has been attacked from each region in the last month, opening a dual front war, and the terrorists themselves tied the two events together: they're lumping the Gaza captive with the 2 Lebanon captives. "Not escalating tensions" is United Nations code for "Israel is the one country in the world that must not be allowed to defeat its enemies." What keeps this conflict going, year after year, decade after decade, is the continued pressure on Israel to not deal, once and for all, with Hizbollah and HAMAS. Bringing back it’s three soldiers is not the sole, or even overriding, objective. Removing Hizbollah from Israel's northern border, deterring future attacks, and punishing Lebanon for hosting Hizbollah are the objectives. And rightly so. Israel is doing two things in Lebanon: Destroying Hizbollah, and making an impression on the Lebanese government such that Hizbollah will not be allowed to set up shop again.

On Hizbollah: Hizbollah is not just a terror organisation, which is easily picked apart in head-to-head combat once their terror tactics are removed. Hizbollah is one of the most, if not the most dangerous, professional, well-trained, and well-funded terror organisations in the world. And they know how to fight Israel, they've been doing it for years. (Funny how they don't go after their Arab brothers who are the ones that actually took their land and are keeping them down. Jordan killed more of them than the Israelis have. They are hate filled stupid pawns of the Arab nations around them.)
They’ve been acting as the de facto authorities in Lebanon for decades now, and have taken up the slack that the real Lebanese government left. They organized charities, schools, hospitals, etc, while also funnelling charity money into arms and training. Attacking Lebanese infrastructure IS attacking Hizbollah.
Iran has been funding Hizbollah for two reasons: as a proxy to continue their religious war against the Jews, and a distraction for the citizens of the Middle East so they don’t realize that the Theocrats are tyrants; and to continue spreading their influence throughout the Middle East in their attempts to recreate the Persian Empire.

On Iran and Syria’s parts in all this: I wonder if this wasn’t entirely engineered by Iran. They’ve gotta be feeling the pressure with losing ground in both Iraq and Afghanistan. If they can get Israel to attack Syria, they can react and keep the world distracted from their quest for nukes until they turn Tel Aviv into a mushroom cloud.
The past few weeks before this all launched off had seen Iranian intelligence officers, in uniform teaching the Hizbollah guerrillas at their posts on the Israel/Lebanon border. Reports state there are at least 100 revolutionary guards who are advising and providing support for some of the more sophisticated weapons that have been used so far, including the anti-ship missile that struck the Israeli vessel. I've seen it credibly reported that Hizbollah receives about $100 million per year from Iran to keep its operation afloat, and many Hizbollah leaders receive military training and religious indoctrination in Iran.
Given simple geography and the issues the Iranians have with keeping ANY aircraft in the air, I don't expect Iran to actually end up being much of a player in this. Various factions in Iran - various ayatollahs and their foundations, the Revolutionary Guards, the intelligence services - back different, often mutually hostile, horses in Iraq and Afghanistan. That doesn't make the Iranian government any less responsible for their activities; it just underscores how dangerous Iran can be in that it doesn't completely control its own home-grown militants, much less its proxies.
That's not to downplay Syria's role in the conflict. The real leadership of HAMAS hangs out in Damascus, protected by the Assad government. HAMAS had a part to play, I’m certain, with Mashal having his HQ in Damascus, and the timing as well as methodology used both in Gaza a few weeks ago by HAMAS and now, again, by Hizbollah. I doubt Syria is willing to get their asses kicked again, however, so I think that within a fairly short time, Hizbollah is going to find themselves with their necks hanging out all by themselves.
Iran and Syria recently signed a mutual-defence agreement, and Iran has been carrying on about how it will rain down fire on Israel if Syria is attacked. But if Israel attacked Iran and Iran fought back, it would be a causus belli to topple the theocracy. And if Iran didn't come to Syria's defence, it would be an absolutely humiliating blow to Iran's credibility in the region and among its own people. 

On Reasons for Hizbollah to Start Shit Now: I wonder if this hasn’t been started by Hizbollah to try and maintain control in Lebanon. With the recent gains of Democracy, and the strengthening of the Lebanese military by the US and France, I wonder if Hizbollah didn’t see an abrupt end to their current privileged way of life fast approaching. I believe if the funding from Iran and Syria dries up, and a democratic Lebanese Government continues to thrive they will become at best extinct, or just another minority political party no different from those already existent throughout the ME.
This is, in large part, weakness of will on the part of the Lebanese Government. Lebanon is no better than the other Arab states in using Israel as a convenient scapegoat to divert attention from their own failings. Maybe far worse than most.

 

[paracowboy]

some pics of Hizbollah that may help to explain why there are inevitable civilian casualties (aside from the civilians they specifically target, that is) in their actions

 

[Bo]

Wow, thats one hell of a little "unprepared" tirade there BO.

No agenda there huh?

Unfortunately, you overlooked (perhaps deliberately) the most important resolution of all regarding this whole issue.

No. 1559

I am sure that you must have the entire text of that one. Afterall, THAT ONE is not even a YEAR OLD.

Would you kindly post that one please.

You can find it here in PDF format:  http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N04/498/92/PDF/N0449892.pdf?OpenElement

Well the UN is `gravely concerned`about the continued presence of armed militia in Lebanon. The also call for the disbanding and disarming of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militia. These criteria have not been met.

What struck me as an interesting were points 2 and 6:

2.   Calls upon all remaining foreign forces to withdraw from Lebanon;

Israel has not been sitting idly by since its partial withdrawal from South Lebanon in 2000. It has not only continued to occupy parts of South Lebanon, but also has been violating Lebanese sovereignty, by air, sea, and land.


6.   Calls upon all parties concerned to cooperate fully and urgently with the Security Council for the full implementation of this and all relevant resolutions concerning the restoration of the territorial integrity, full sovereignty, and political independence of Lebanon;

Israel has adamantly refused to give to Lebanon a map of the more than 400,000 land mines that it left behind in South Lebanon, and which continue to kill Lebanese children in the region. Hence they are in violation of not restoring the territorial integrity of Lebanon.

I guess both sides are violating UN Resolution 1559, eh CanadaPhil?

 

[Bo]

Wow Paracowboy, that sure is an informative, objective, unbiased opinion you posted  :

Great photos too! Look, those terrorist scumbags are using those terrorist loving civilians as human shields! Boy those crazy civies sure had it coming.

 

[paracowboy]

Wow Paracowboy, that sure is an informative, objective, unbiased opinion you posted  :

Great photos too! Look, those terrorist scumbags are using those terrorist loving civilians as human shields! Boy those crazy civies sure had it coming.

Pot, pot, this is kettle, over.
Your irrational hatred of Israel is kinda making you a li'l bit blinkered.

 

[CanadaPhil]

................

Israel has not been sitting idly by since its partial withdrawal from South Lebanon in 2000. It has not only continued to occupy parts of South Lebanon, but also has been violating Lebanese sovereignty, by air, sea, and land.

....................

Israel has adamantly refused to give to Lebanon a map of the more than 400,000 land mines that it left behind in South Lebanon, and which continue to kill Lebanese children in the region. Hence they are in violation of not restoring the territorial integrity of Lebanon.

I guess both sides are violating UN Resolution 1559, eh CanadaPhil?

BULL####,  BULL#@$@,  BULL%^#$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have just proved to me what an apologist mouthpiece you are!

Israel has been FULLY WITHDRAWN from Lebanon for YEARS!! If you are claiming otherwise you are FULL OF IT.

400,000 mines???? You are saying that Israel has personally planted 400,000 mines?? Are you on crack??? If anyone has been supposedly killed by mines they belong to Hezbollah.

 

[garb811]

UN? Did you say UN???

A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"

1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"....

You forgot to cite your cut and paste on this one so I'll do it for you: Middle East News and World Report, United Nations Resolutions Against Israel "1955-1992".  While a pretty impressive list, I personally would have used the one at this site, Action for UN Renewal, A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel" as it is much more comprehensive and much more subtle in its bias. 

Seems you cut and pasted the following as well from CounterPunch, Francis Boyle: Prosecute Israeli War Crimes at Jenin, although you did at least drop the "Jr" from the Bush Administration part so I guess it's technically not a total cut and paste:

? The Bush administration intervened with U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan to head off an investigation of Jenin as authorized by U.N. Security Council Resolution 1405 (19 April 2002).

You may wish to read the advice Mr Campbell gave another poster with regards to clearly citing ones posts.  He helpfully provides a link to the forum rules with regard to citations as well.

No need to thank me...always glad to help out someone in proofing their citations within their original submissions, even if their original thoughts actually only amount to 5 lines of text which add absolutely nothing to the discussion at hand.

 

[snowy]

Israel unleashed a furious military campaign on Lebanon's main airport, highways, railways, military bases and other targets, retaliating for scores of Hezbollah guerrillas rockets that rained down on Israel and reached as afar as Haifa, its third-largest city,for the first time.
The death toll in two days of fighting rose to 57 people with the sudden burst of violence sending shockwaves through a region already traumatised by Iraq and the ongoing battles in the Gaza strip between Israel and Hamas. It shattered the relative calm in Lebanon that followed Israel's pullout from its occupied zone in south Lebanon in 2000 and the withdrawal of Syrian forces last year.
Israel said it was determined to beat Hezbollah back and the militant fighters position they have held along the border since 2000. The Lebanese government, caught in the middle, pleaded for a cease-fire.(quote),"if the government of Lebanon fails to deploy its forces, as is expected of Sovereign government, we shall not allow Hezbollah forces to remain any further on the borders of the state of Israel,' Israel Defence Minister Amir Peretz said. Israeli warplanes stepped up the pressure early Friday, stirking targets in the southern suburbs of Beirut where Hezbollah has its political headquarters, security officials said. Impact of at least four missiles were heard, but there was no immediate word on casualties.
The raid came just a few hours after Israeli planes dropped leaflets in south Beirut warning residents to avoid areas where Hezbollah operates. Fears mounted among Arab and European government that violence in Lebanon could spiral out of control. Israeli analysts warned that Syria, which supports Hezbollah and playshost to Hamas political leader Khaled Mashaal, could be Israel's next target. Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said any Israeli attack against Syria would be an aggression on the whole Islamic world and warned of harsh reaction, the official Iranian news agency reported Friday. The agency said Ahmadinejad made the comments in a telephone call to Syrian president Bashar Assad. At the world United Nations, the United States blocked an Arab-backed resolutions that would have demanded Israel halt its military offensive in the Gaza strip. The first UN security council veto in nearly two years.
With Beirut's international airport closed after Israeli bombs ripped apart its runway, many tourists were trapped while others drove over the mountain to Syria- though Israeli warplanes struck the highway linking Beirut to the Syrian capital of Damascus early Friday, closing the country's main artery and further isolating Lebanon from the outside world.
Beirut residents said indoors leaving the streets of the capital largely empty. Others packed supermarkets to stock up on goods. long line found on gas stations, with many quickly running out of gas. Israel launched an offensive in Gaza against Hamas. whose fighters are hiding another Israeli soldier captured 2 weeks ago. Early Friday, Israeli aircraft stuck targets in several parts of Gaza and a Palestinian was killed when an Israeli tank shell struck his truck, officials said. There were no reports of injury in the air raids, which damaged a main road and offices and training camps of militants.
The shockwaves from the fighters  on two fronts began to be felt as oil prices surged Thusday to a record of $ 78 a barrel in world markets, also agitated by the thrust of supply disruptions in the middle east and beyond. (quote)" we are concerned about the fragile democracy in Lebanon," Bush said in Germany. The EU took a harsher tone, criticizing Israel for using what is called " disproportionate" force. EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said he was planning a peace mission. The Arab league called an emergency meting of Foreign ministers in Cairo on Saturday, and Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas warned that I sorrel's Lebanon offensive"is raising our fears of a new regional war." Egypt lanced a diplomatic bid to resdue the crisis, aimed apparent filtration among moderate Arab nations that Hezbollah-- and by implication its top ally Syria-- had started the fight with Israel. Saudi Arabia, the Arab world's political heavyweight and economic powerhouse accused Hezbollah guerrillas-- without naming them-- of "inculcated adventures" that participated the latest Middle East Crisis.
"The Kingdom sees that it is time for those elements to alone shoulder the full responsibility for this irresponsible behavior and that the burden of ending the crisis falls on them alone," according to a Saudi official quoted by the Saudi press agency. Hezbollah's rocket attack on the port city of Haifa was its deepest duel strike into Northern Israel yet, no injuries were reported in Haifa, home to 270,000 residents and major oil refinery 30 miles south of the border. Still, the Israeli ambassador to the United States, Daniel Ayalon, called the attack "a major escalation."
"Those who fire into such a densely populated area will pay a heavy price," said David Baker, an official in the Israeli Prime Minister's office. Hezbollah deputy leader denied its fighters fired on Haifa, but Israel blamed the group, which had warned earlier in the day it would strike the city if Beirut were targeted. Israeli officials said it was a Katyusha rocket launched from southern Lebanon. witnesses also confirmed that a rocket hit the city.
The militants also fired rockets at four other northern Israeli towns, killing a 40- year old woman on her balcony in Nahariya and a man in Safad,. soon the Haifa attack, Israeli helicopters gunships raked fuel depots at Beirut's seaside airport with machineguns and missiles. The tanks exploded, sending gigantic flames into the night sky just outside Beirut. Earlier in the day, warplanes shut down the airport with strikes that pounded craters into all three of its runways, and Israeliwarships sealed Lebanon's ports. Among the Lebanese dead were a family of 10 and another family of seven, killed when strikes hit their homes in the southern village of  Duvier.
"its a massacre,' said Abu Talal, a 48-year-old resident who joined scores of Hezbollah supporters and townspeople at the funeral of suite cleric sheik Adel Akkash, who was killed along with his wife and 8 children, ages 3 months to 15 years.
Israel says it holds Labanon responsible for Hezbollah's snatching of the two soldiers, Ehud Goldwasser-31 and Eldad Regev-26. The Lebanese government insisted it had no prior knowledge of the move and did not condone it.... and even withdrew its ambassador to the U.S after he made comments seemingly in support of the guerrillas.
Hezbollah fighters operate with almost total autonomy in southern Lebanon, and the government has long resisted international pressure to disarm the group. Any attempt to disarm Hezbollah by force could lead to sectarian conflict.

note: my condolences to those Canadians who lost their lives.

cheers.

 

[GAP]

Snowy, you cut and pasted that from somewhere. Identify your sources and link to the site for copyright purposes.

 

[1feral1]

>If they return to their home countries to work/live etc, should they be required to renounce their citizenship?.

What an odd universe you inhabit.  Surely one's "home country" is the one in which one holds citizenship.  What are we doing that causes and permits inhabitants of foreign countries to obtain Canadian citizenship as a convenience, and how should it be stopped so that only people who want to make Canada "home" come to, and are admitted to, Canada?

I spent the first 35 years of my life being a true Canadian patriot, and I have lived overseas here in Australia for going on 12 years now.

Although I love my Canada with all my heart, and I still call those prairie wheatfields of southern Saskatchewan home, as where I am from, but I have adopted Australia, its customs and traditions, and I have over time grown to love this country just as much as dear ole Canada. My life and future are here now. So as sad as it sounds if I had to make a choice between passports, I would stay here in Australia.

Don't criticise me for such as decision, but you have to live it to understand the reasons why. I love both countries a 10/10, but I have made my choice.


Regards,

Wes

 

[1feral1]

Hmmm let`s see.....nearly 300 civilians killed and massive destruction to civilian infrastructure over the last week in Lebanon.

You call that defense?

I call it a massacre.

Thats just the reality of war pal, get used to it. As a jr officer you should have enough commonsense to know that. People die, innocents in this case used as human shields by a cowardly terr org. I call that pisss weak and yellow.

Wes

 

[CanadaPhil]

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So as sad as it sounds if I had to make a choice between passports, I would stay here in Australia.

That's OK Wes, I wont criticise. In fact, I once thought that if I had to choose another place to live, OZ came to mind FIRST!

Whats not to like.... We are both former colonies, the weather is not that bad, and the girlz are super cute! Hell, if I could just get my head around the toilets flushing the wrong way and the beer not tasting as good, I"M THERE!

 

[GAP]

Hell, if I could just get my head around the toilets flushing the wrong way and the beer not tasting as good, I"M THERE!

Uh...oh...I thought it flushed that way because it was beer...yeah, did taste kinda funny. 

 

[aluc]

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&pubid=968163964505&cid=1153389184842&col=968705899037&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News

France offers Canada evacuation help
Jul. 20, 2006. 08:08 AM

PARIS (AP) — French president Jacques Chirac on Thursday offered a helping hand to Canada — which has up to 50,000 citizens in Lebanon — to evacuate the country under siege.

“(Chirac) was very generous and spontaneously expressed the wish that we collaborate and, if the need is there, if possible, he offered French collaboration so that we can move people out,” said Quebec Prime Minister Jean Charest, after a meeting with Chirac.

The first boatload of Canadians evacuating Lebanon has arrived in Larnaca, Cyprus, as thousands of others in Beirut are anxiously waiting for their turn to leave.

Some 261 of an estimated 50,000 Canadians in Lebanon disembarked from the 62-metre Blue Dawn Thursday morning. An additional four ships arrived in Beirut Thursday to evacuate more Canadians to Turkey.

France is evacuating its citizens and others on a Greek ferry to Cyprus. The first group of nearly 500 arrived in Paris on a special Air France flight on Tuesday.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper made a stopover in Cyprus following his visit earlier this week to France, and was to pick up 120 evacuees from Lebanon and flying them home.

His administration has come under criticism at home for not moving quickly enough to evacuate the 30,000 of the 50,000 Canadian-Lebanese who have registered with the embassy in Beirut for evacuation.

Canada lost eight citizens to an Israeli air strike on Sunday, all members of a Montreal family killed when a shell hit their home in southern Lebanon.

Charest said Quebecois would be coming home within days and “we will be there to help them.”

Charest, speaking to reporters, came down in favour of an international force in Lebanon, which has been under Israeli attack for a ninth day following the militant Hezbollah’s abduction of two Israeli soldiers.

But, “it is on the ground that we must judge the appropriate moment to deploy” such force, he added.



PM Charest of Quebec.....hmmm did I miss something while I was sleeping last night?