8 May 2025: "Lawyers for man executed by firing squad in South Carolina say bullets mostly missed his heart"

[Fishbone Jones]

Yes, but then you have issues with requiring a reinforced backstop.

Tungsten. Then the splatter and force will re-enter the target from the rear.

 

[KevinB]

Use soft point. The damage it causes is much more immense than FMJs. 3 x 7.62x51 from 15' will destroy the heart even in misses.

Down side is it will be much more messy.

TAP is not a FMJ - it is a tipped hollow point that expands and fragments very dramatically in human tissue - especially at the near point blank range it was used at.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Does it maybe seem unreasonable to expect executing someone to be humane and painless? Especially with companies refusing to sell the lethal injection drugs for that purpose, seem to be a lot of people dying partially conscious and in agony for several minutes from that, so I think I'd rather get shot. I might ask for my last meal to include a whopping dose of something fun though, and go out in a haze of psyloscibin and opiates.

 

[mariomike]

I might ask for my last meal to include a whopping dose of something fun though, and go out in a haze of psyloscibin and opiates.

I read, "Inmates in Texas are served the same meal as other prisoners in the Huntsville Unit cafeteria on the day of execution."

One ordered an extravagent last meal and didn't touch it. Lost his appetite, apparently .

Read this about sedatives, 50 - 50 chance of getting something to help take the edge off.

At least 19 of the country's 38 death penalty states offer sedatives and anti-anxiety drugs to condemned inmates before execution.

Four death penalty states prohibit the drugs, including Texas, which has the country's busiest execution chamber.

 

[OldSolduer]

The drugs they use for MAID is not an option?

I’ve seen MAID. It’s peaceful and quick

 

[daftandbarmy]

They should have brought this squad in to do the job

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[Eaglelord17]

To much humming, hawing and beating around the bush.

A Barrett .50 at 15' will get the job done in one shot.

12 gauge 00 buck, keep it simple. Death will be basically guaranteed, and you won’t have to worry that much about the backstop.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

You could have a remote weapon station, tracking a square pinned onto the body. In the control room, perhaps 5 people press a button and only one button turns on the gun which fires a few seconds later.

 

[KevinB]

You could have a remote weapon station, tracking a square pinned onto the body. In the control room, perhaps 5 people press a button and only one button turns on the gun which fires a few seconds later.

You could strap a Claymore to them, and have 5 clickers…




I don’t have a releasable image of the 110gr TAP effects in tissue, but it’s more aggressive than the 155gr Hornady 8087C load second from bottom.

Dude was dead when they shot him, the chest was pulp. His lawyer can bleat all he wants, the guy chose the method of execution and he was shot 3 times in the chest.

The body can do some strange stuff when hit by bullets to the chest. One can be walking dead for a bit - utterly non survivable, but some people will still have 10-30 seconds of life left in them as the heart isn’t the quickest way to shut someone down.

I cut this out of a BRF incident review, as it’s very important for people to understand.

 

[daftandbarmy]

You could strap a Claymore to them, and have 5 clickers…



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I don’t have a releasable image of the 110gr TAP effects in tissue, but it’s more aggressive than the 155gr Hornady 8087C load second from bottom.

Dude was dead when they shot him, the chest was pulp. His lawyer can bleat all he wants, the guy chose the method of execution and he was shot 3 times in the chest.

The body can do some strange stuff when hit by bullets to the chest. One can be walking dead for a bit - utterly non survivable, but some people will still have 10-30 seconds of life left in them as the heart isn’t the quickest way to shut someone down.

I cut this out of a BRF incident review, as it’s very important for people to understand.

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Or, you know....

 

[KevinB]

Or, you know....


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The M-14 they used uses the same ammunition…

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I don't care what people say: I loved that gun.

 

[dapaterson]

I don't care what people say: I loved that gun.

Loosen the gas plug so when they slam it down on the order arms...

 

[lenaitch]

You could strap a Claymore to them, and have 5 clickers…



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I don’t have a releasable image of the 110gr TAP effects in tissue, but it’s more aggressive than the 155gr Hornady 8087C load second from bottom.

Dude was dead when they shot him, the chest was pulp. His lawyer can bleat all he wants, the guy chose the method of execution and he was shot 3 times in the chest.

The body can do some strange stuff when hit by bullets to the chest. One can be walking dead for a bit - utterly non survivable, but some people will still have 10-30 seconds of life left in them as the heart isn’t the quickest way to shut someone down.

I cut this out of a BRF incident review, as it’s very important for people to understand.

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So the old westerns and war movies weren't necessarily wrong. Next you're going to tell us that revolvers fire 20 or 30 rounds.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Loosen the gas plug so when they slam it down on the order arms...

And the fore stock for the present.... just a little bit

 

[KevinB]

And the fore stock for the present.... just a little bit

Generally referred to now as a hand guard...

 

[PrairieFella]

Man this is a tough one, I've been humming and hawing on capital punishment since I was kid in middle school when I had to write a defence of "la peine du mort" for French class. Ultimately I think it should be abolished as I simply don't trust the state to get it right 110% of the time. To quote the great Sir William Blackstone, one of our common-law's great jurists, "is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

 

[MrWhyt]

Ultimately I think it should be abolished as I simply don't trust the state to get it right 110% of the time.

Yes I'm ok with it in theory, but until you can 100% guarantee that we're not going to kill an innocent person then we shouldn't do it.

 

[Eaglelord17]

I take the opposite approach, I don’t think the state can get it right 100% of the time, but that is the risk of living society. If 100% correct is the required standard we shouldn’t be allowed to imprison anyone.

We already have the death penalty, life in prison is the death penalty just with time being the execution method. I just think it should be sped up.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I take the opposite approach, I don’t think the state can get it right 100% of the time, but that is the risk of living society. If 100% correct is the required standard we shouldn’t be allowed to imprison anyone.

If that's the case, the most extreme test would be asking if someone who's OK with that would be OK being the mistaken executed person because, you know, what system is ever 100%? Same goes for making it easier to jail people - would one be willing to take one for the team in exchange for tighter rules being in place?