A Canadianized OV-10D NOGS?

[Loachman]

The OV10 would make a better escort for the Chinooks than the Griffons we sent over.

Why? How?

This is a niche aircraft. It may work in Afghanistan (but no better than what is currently in theatre), but how would it perform in a future high-threat conflict?

I'm sure you can slow an OV10 down enough for a Chinook to keep up, but you can't speed a Griffon up enough to catch a Chinook.

And what is the relevance of this? Formation flying is not a requirement.

Do you drive your car flat out all of the time?

Helicopters seldom operate at or near Vne.

A Chinook with a slung load is going to have its speed reduced considerably.

I have yet to see a CF op conducted further than 80 km straight-line from KAF, and the vast majority are far less. You can probably calculate your own distances from KAF to places where we operate with a bit of research effort. A helicopter flying at 90 kts covers 3 km per minute, or 27 minutes to that distance. One flying at 120 kts covers the same distance in seven minutes less. How significant is seven minutes when transporting bulk cargo, or even troops on an airmobile? And that's an extreme distance for here.

Significant enough to blow billions on what would be an orphan aircraft with no capability in a high-threat environment?

The Stuka suggestion would be no less capable, and far cheaper, even if that wasn't a joke.

There are good and valid reasons why neither OV10s nor Stukas are no longer in use.

And good and valid reasons why none of those with actual knowledge and experience make these suggestions.

The OV10 could also provide CAS.

So what? So can the F18, and a whole bunch of modern aircraft that can perform multiple roles, and far more effectively, in low- and high-threat environments.

I'm not sure how it would stack up against a UAV.

It doesn't.

Completely different animals.

In terms of infrastructure to support the A/C the PT6 is pretty widely used.  Getting parts/overhaul wouldn't pose a big problem.  Getting routine maintainence shouldn't pose a big problem.  If worse came to worst we could just contract it out.

This is just as true of what we currently have, and we already have it.

BUT - there's more to the OV10 than just its engines. How many other components would NOT be "pretty widely used"? Can we "just contract (those) out", too? At what cost? How long will it take?

The only big trouble comes in getting the money for it.

No, the big trouble lies with justifying it.

 

[aesop081]

Loachman, dont let years of experience in aviation get in the way of a dumb idea.

What is it about aviation that makes people think they are experts ? Why dont we see this to the same extent in other subjects ?

I wonder if Jane's had a personal kit section, if we would see the same in kit threads ?

 

[Command-Sense-Act 105]

What is it about aviation that makes people think they are experts ? Why dont we see this to the same extent in other subjects ?

Because previously they were tank experts who already sorted out the Armour Corps ref the Leopard 2.  Now they've moved on to square away the aviation world.

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"Not the patient moderator"

 

[George Wallace]

Loachman, dont let years of experience in aviation get in the way of a dumb idea.

What is it about aviation that makes people think they are experts ? Why dont we see this to the same extent in other subjects ?

I wonder if Jane's had a personal kit section, if we would see the same in kit threads ?

Hey!

Don't worry about that.  I have seen it on numerous occassions in the Armour Forums, and also in all of the other Cbt Arms Forums.  Lots of armchair experts out there with opinions.

 

[Loachman]

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That's what we should have.

Isn't it pretty?

 

[George Wallace]

That's what we should have.

Isn't it pretty?

I guess the back seats are all fuel bladder.

 

[Loachman]

I guess the back seats are all fuel bladder.

The fuel tank has always been underneath and behind the seat. It was generally mildly amusing to tell passengers what they were sitting on. I do not believe that any additional space has been taken up by fuel. I have not looked into the back of one since I left Germany. The rear cabin area then was taken up by the avionics, which were spaced out on a scaffold system to allow cooling air to move around. It was crude, but it worked. Things got smaller later and at least one rear seat was regained.

These purr when you stroke them just right.

 

[Old Sweat]

It seems to me that it really doesn't matter. When we thunder in, everybody shares equally.

 

[George Wallace]

Had quite a ride in one of Triple Four's outside of Parsberg one Fall Ex.  Now that was "flying".

 

[Loachman]

It seems to me that it really doesn't matter. When we thunder in, everybody shares equally.

Not necessarily.

 

[Loachman]

Had quite a ride in one of Triple Four's outside of Parsberg one Fall Ex.  Now that was "flying".

When was that?

Life was good there...

 

[George Wallace]

'82

 

[Loachman]

Wasn't me then. I was bombing around farmland near Pet.

 

[Thompson_JM]

I never thought I'd see a QC reference on Army.ca. Today is truly a day of glory for the internet.

I love it when one of my favourite websites is referenced on one of my other favourite websites.  ;D

heheh... a friend got me hooked on it after checking the link on the Dr. McNinja site....

I didnt think there would be a lot of fans of it on this site... good to see there are a few! lol