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A Deeply Fractured US
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Brad Sallows
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Nevertheless she's by far the leader of the 3 (Trump, DeSantis, Haley) in the poll averages of head-to-head matchups against Biden. She might be the most electable.
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She’s the must have answer for the GOP.
Trump is poison, and DeSantis isn’t a lot better.
She comes off way more moderate than the other two, and can get some of the middle ground back that has been lost.
She’s most likely to be palatable or at least tolerable to persuadable swing voters.
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Which makes her completely unacceptable to MAGA. Only complete and total fealty to the orange god-king will be tolerated. Moderation and compromise is for “cucks” only.
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Which means a GOP loss again.
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Either DeSantis or Haley can pass muster with Trump supporters if Trump is out - bear in mind who the Democrats are likely to be running as P/VP. The people who would have trouble are people like Christie but he's not realistically in the running.
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It’s the Guardian, but I have read the same details in other outlets.
January 6 rioter found guilty after judge calls defence argument âgobbledegookâ
Taylor James Johnatakis was found guilty of seven charges for his role in 2021 attack to stop Biden from being certified as president
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You are welcome.
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Trump is busy trying to poison the well for Haley, and admittedly DeS and the rest of the GOP. Haley has been trying to walk a tightrope between independence from Trump without generating Christie like animosity.
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Not quite on topic but related.
The Institute for Economics and peace has released its latest list of safest and most dangerous countries.
The US stood at 131st out of 163. Canada stood 11th.
The Institute for Economics and peace has released its latest list of safest and most dangerous countries.
The US stood at 131st out of 163. Canada stood 11th.
The world's safest and most dangerous countries in 2023 revealed
The ranking is by produced by the Institute for Economics and Peace and is presented in the institute's annual Global Peace Index.www.dailymail.co.uk
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Not quite on topic but related.
The Institute for Economics and peace has released its latest list of safest and most dangerous countries.
The US stood at 131st out of 163. Canada stood 11th.
What QV said…
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I don't think Nikki was taking direct aim at the former guy.
I think it was more about the party.
She said Republicans,
True.
Then, went on to say,
The high-lighted part caught my eye.
I can't imagine many Americans are excited about a re-match between two dudes 81 and 78 years old.
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Brad Sallows
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They're trying to measure "peace" (according to criteria they set for themselves), not "safety". "Safety" has to be context-dependent (ie. gang bangers are at much higher risk than most people). Peacewise, the US gets dinged for maintaining it's military capacity, among other factors that in some contexts are obviously contributions to peace and security. Common sense suggests the US's presence keeps a lid on some things. Otherwise, all the whining that I hear and read from people worried that the US is going to withdraw and/or stop paying other people's bills is the whining of people who must be "against peace".Not quite on topic but related.
The Institute for Economics and peace has released its latest list of safest and most dangerous countries.
The US stood at 131st out of 163. Canada stood 11th.
Always helps to read the "methodology" and "scores".
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Ha ha ok. Assume you'd feel good about sending your kids to university in anyone of the counties ranked higher than the USA then?
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I think they measured safety in large measure on the basis of the murder rate in the US being six times that of most western countries. I don't think it was an indictment of US defence or foreign policy. The fact that more gang bangers are at risk isn't soothing. It just means that you have more violent gangbangers.
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That's a fairly arbitrary answer, and obviously not, but for schools specifically, no one even comes close to the number of school shootings as the US.
Does that mean you are at higher risk overall? Probably not.
I think it is indicative though that the US does have an incredible wealth disparity, with some areas that have insane amounts of violence and poverty as well as third world infrastructure, while being within easy driving distance of multi-million dollar mansions in gated communities.
It's a really big country, but there are definitely no-go areas as well as a gun culture. I have to say I definitely felt less safe in general in big cities in the US compared to other western countries, although I was not normally really worries about myself overall for the most part (except when I wandered into South Boston I guess, and the part from Baltimore that was in The Wire).
Some of the factors they used are pretty arbitrary as well, but I think it would be naive to think that the US (and Canada, and every other country) doesn't have some really bad things happening in it, despite generally being safe. Did you actually look at the data or are you just dismissing it out of hand?
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