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A Deeply Fractured US

And from the person at the centre of the controversy
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Again, as has been pointed out, it's not about Jimmy getting cancelled; it's not even about Disney/ABC whoever taking a political position and canning Jimmy for being in opposition to it. It's all about the fact that a government agency (the FCC) and the direct words of the President PRESSURING civilian media.
 
Again, as has been pointed out, it's not about Jimmy getting cancelled; it's not even about Disney/ABC whoever taking a political position and canning Jimmy for being in opposition to it. It's all about the fact that a government agency (the FCC) and the direct words of the President PRESSURING civilian media.
Exactly This !!!
 
Again, as has been pointed out, it's not about Jimmy getting cancelled; it's not even about Disney/ABC whoever taking a political position and canning Jimmy for being in opposition to it. It's all about the fact that a government agency (the FCC) and the direct words of the President PRESSURING civilian media.
Exactly This !!!

Did you voice the same concerns when the democrats did it? Censured twitter, Facebook and the other social media platforms? When they lied to the public and used media to push their lies about Russia, Hunter's laptop, the Steele dossier and more?

Of course kimmel's shit ratings and inability to create revenue for the affiliates had nothing to do with it, right?
 
His ratings were not that bad, especially considering the entire type of industry was taking a hit.

Forbes put it this way,

19 Sept., 2025

"Jimmy Kimmel Ratings Over The Years: He Was No. 1 With Young Adults"

 
Compared to, say, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Glenn Beck?
Alex Jones on aliens is a favorite.

As someone way smarter than me once said, “You should be allowed to say outrageous things … There’s ugly speech. There’s gross speech. There’s evil speech. And all of it’s protected by the First Amendment.”
Saying outrageous things is protected but sometimes comes at a price.

The quote FBJ posted about Kimmel on Roseanne Bars censoring is a great example of the double standards both sides routinely support.

I'm still surprised more Americans aren't aghast at the governments behavior.
 
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Did you voice the same concerns when the democrats did it? Censured twitter, Facebook and the other social media platforms? When they lied to the public and used media to push their lies about Russia, Hunter's laptop, the Steele dossier and more?

Of course kimmel's shit ratings and inability to create revenue for the affiliates had nothing to do with it, right?
Did you voice the same concerns when the democrats did it? Censured twitter, Facebook and the other social media platforms? When they lied to the public and used media to push their lies about Russia, Hunter's laptop, the Steele dossier and more?

Of course kimmel's shit ratings and inability to create revenue for the affiliates had nothing to do with it, right?
Feel free to direct me to any videos of any democrat presidents along with their fcc commissioner and US attorney general threatening to pull network licensing and even use the justice department to muzzle the media like Trump and his people have done.
 
The quote FBJ posted about Kimmel on Roseanne Bars censoring is a great example of the double standards both sides routinely support.

I'm still surprised more Americans aren't aghast at the governments behavior.
First sentence explains second. It's been done often enough that those who aren't politically obsessed are desensitized to it.

Nate Silver covers some retrospective ground. The hangers-on of the Bush and Obama administrations, and their latter-day inheritors, can't get any traction trying to lecture from a high moral position because they never held one.
 
Did you voice the same concerns when the democrats did it? Censured twitter, Facebook and the other social media platforms? When they lied to the public and used media to push their lies about Russia, Hunter's laptop, the Steele dossier and more?
And you have quotes from, say, a regulatory body or Biden himself hinting at/threatening to shut down Twitter, FB & social media when this happened? Happy to be educated, here.
The quote FBJ posted about Kimmel on Roseanne Bars censoring is a great example of the double standards both sides routinely support.
Yeah, partisan communications is always like the Rorschach test, seeing the same thing in very different ways based on which glasses you wear.
I'm still surprised more Americans aren't aghast at the governments behavior.
More likely are unimpressed than we hear, but when we see what happens to some people talking/wirting the "wrong" way about government behaviour, some might also be leery about saying/writing things out loud.
 
People who argue that he wasn't funny or his ratings were poor continue to miss the point. Broadcasting is a for-profit, regulated industry. On-air personalities rise and fall on their words. TV and radio shows come and go.

Broadcasters and owners are free to hire and fire pretty much at will, either based on ratings or in relation to the corporate image or ethic they wish to establish. The regulator, as part of the State, is limited to whatever legislated rules exist. The State doesn't get to pass judgement on whether somebody is funny, good, popular or even supportive.

It seems that no private business, university, law firm or broadcaster is beyond the wrath of this Administration.
 
And you have quotes from, say, a regulatory body or Biden himself hinting at/threatening to shut down Twitter, FB & social media when this happened? Happy to be educated, here.
Those might be hard to find. Repeated attempts to legislate "content moderation" and to let the EU DSA become a backdoor for policing US-based social media over the past few years, easy to find.

So what? Well, it reveals the essential Democratic position (also of some Republicans) on free speech, which is very far from absolutist (which I would think most informed observers already know). What is the likelihood that Kimmel's left-handed insinuation that Kirk's killer was some kind of MAGA acolyte would not be ruled as some kind of malinformation due to its misleading (and known to be false) nature?

"We just want to fight factually incorrect information in the public interest", proponents claim. Sure; who decides what is in the public interest? Is potentially inciting people to anger by blackguarding them with a crime (which they view as a crime against their "team", therefore the more insulting and antagonizing) against the public interest? And who could possibly provide assurances that such laws would not be abusively manipulated via vague powers of discretion?
 
The State doesn't get to pass judgement on whether somebody is funny, good, popular or even supportive.
The State might get to pass judgement on "public interest", which is what was alluded to by Carr earlier.

I'm too lazy to try to read it to pin down any such provision, but it would have to be something in the 1934 Communication Act (including amendments and related legislation). And if we could find such a provision, we would probably find that the administration is choosing to apply a heretofore unused interpretation. And at that point, furious people who object to the interpretation would remain furious, and I would walk off thinking, well, that's what happens when novel interpretations have become a routine part of the game of justifying executive aims/actions and settling scores.
 
is the likelihood that Kimmel's left-handed insinuation that Kirk's killer was some kind of MAGA acolyte would not be ruled as some kind of malinformation due to its misleading (and known to be false) nature?
except that isn’t at all what Kimmel said.

“We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it. In between the finger-pointing, there was grieving”

His body hardly hit the ground before many were already declaring what the shooter was with no information to back it up. Kimmel wasn’t wrong in his observation.
 
Pulls on tin foil toque

It seems that no private business, university, law firm or broadcaster is beyond the wrath of this AdAdministration.

Talking about wrath Kimmel wasn't shy about using his platform to basically condemn non-vaccinated Americans to go die somewhere.

Disney is a publicly traded entertainment conglomerate. Its largest shareholders are investors like Vanguard Group and BlackRock.

Pfizer and Modernq are publicly traded pharmaceutical companies whose largest investors are Vanguard and BlackRock.

That explains why Kimmel was free to spout his go die diatribe.

So why suspend Kimmel now?

Big pharma.

Trump challenged Pfizer and Moderna during Covid. BlackRock and Vanguard are just trying to suckup to the prez.


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except that isn’t at all what Kimmel said.

“We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it. In between the finger-pointing, there was grieving”

His body hardly hit the ground before many were already declaring what the shooter was with no information to back it up. Kimmel wasn’t wrong in his observation.
A complication is that "desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them" is ambiguous: was he describing a phenomenon, or asserting his conclusion? Those are the two interpretations people are adopting, guided mostly (but not entirely; read Nate Silver at his Substack "Silver Bulletin") by their priors. And while "scoring political points" can be characterized as low, denying accusations cannot. Kimmel's case for being misinterpreted is also weakened by his decidedly partisan history.
 
A complication is that "desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them" is ambiguous: was he describing a phenomenon, or asserting his conclusion? Those are the two interpretations people are adopting, guided mostly (but not entirely; read Nate Silver at his Substack "Silver Bulletin") by their priors. And while "scoring political points" can be characterized as low, denying accusations cannot. Kimmel's case for being misinterpreted is also weakened by his decidedly partisan history.
None of which reduces the impropriety of Carr obviously threatening a broadcaster.
 
Pulls on tin foil toque



Talking about wrath Kimmel wasn't shy about using his platform to basically condemn non-vaccinated Americans to go die somewhere.

Disney is a publicly traded entertainment conglomerate. Its largest shareholders are investors like Vanguard Group and BlackRock.

Pfizer and Modernq are publicly traded pharmaceutical companies whose largest investors are Vanguard and BlackRock.

That explains why Kimmel was free to spout his go die diatribe.

So why suspend Kimmel now?

Big pharma.

Trump challenged Pfizer and Moderna during Covid. BlackRock and Vanguard are just trying to suckup to the prez.


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Put your tin foil gloves on!
 
So why suspend Kimmel now?
Sliding ratings. Independently of and preceding Trump and Carr (FCC), other companies (eg. affiliates) in the distribution chain have been complaining. They have no legal obligation to provide platforms to unprofitable entertainers, and the owning companies probably no longer have the clout to compel them (eg. carry this, or we drop you entirely). In part ratings are dropping because of generally changing viewer habits, and in part because of partisanship. If a show goes full-on left/progressive it loses some right/conservative viewers; if it insults the latter, it loses more of them. If the remainder isn't a large enough audience - game over.

The situation has been brewing for decades. When conservatives complained about progressive dominance here and there, the response was usually "build your own", often in terms that suggested scorn and ridicule and a belief it would never happen. But then things like: Fox News, sale of Twitter, Gutfeld establishing a late night show. Conservatives have been given options to defect from the perceived progressive cultural monopoly, and have defected. And because those options are still relatively few in number, they benefit from audience consolidation whereas the progressive ones compete among themselves.

"Why now?" Human behaviour. One event can be a catalyst (or if you prefer tipping point) for a decision on which someone has been ruminating. We can't know whether the "last straw" was the perceived insult from Kimmel or Carr wading into it.
 
None of which reduces the impropriety of Carr obviously threatening a broadcaster.
Correct, unless there's a provision in legislation on which it can be grounded. The past few years have been awash in proposals to curate public information and force platform owners to do the dirty work. That camel's nose is undeniably in the tent, and may have been there since 1934 (Communications Act).
 
The State might get to pass judgement on "public interest", which is what was alluded to by Carr earlier.

I'm too lazy to try to read it to pin down any such provision, but it would have to be something in the 1934 Communication Act (including amendments and related legislation). And if we could find such a provision, we would probably find that the administration is choosing to apply a heretofore unused interpretation. And at that point, furious people who object to the interpretation would remain furious, and I would walk off thinking, well, that's what happens when novel interpretations have become a routine part of the game of justifying executive aims/actions and settling scores.
I don't know either, which is why I included:

The regulator, as part of the State, is limited to whatever legislated rules exist

I'm too lazy as well (deciphering regulatory law is not for the faint of heart), but I did note from this FCC web document, the following quotes:

"The FCC and Freedom of Speech. The First Amendment, as well as Section 326 of the Communications Act, prohibits the Commission from censoring broadcast material and from interfering with freedom of expression in broadcasting. The Constitution’s protection of free speech includes programming that may be objectionable to many viewers or listeners. Therefore, the FCC cannot prevent the broadcast of any particular point of view. In this regard, the Commission has observed that “the public interest is best served by permitting free expression of views.” However, the right to broadcast material is not absolute. There are some restrictions on the material that a licensee can broadcast. These restrictions are discussed below."

( I didn't delve into the 'restrictions'; although they are big on things like nudity)

"Criticism, Ridicule, and Humor Concerning Individuals, Groups, and Institutions. The First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech similarly protects programming that stereotypes or may otherwise offend people with regard to their religion, race, national background, gender, or other characteristics. It also protects broadcasts that criticize or ridicule established customs and institutions, including the government and its officials. The Commission recognizes that, under our Constitution, people must be free to say things that the majority may abhor, not only what most people may find tolerable or congenial. However, if you are offended by a station’s programming, we urge you to make your concerns known in writing to the station licensee."
 
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