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A Deeply Fractured US

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How can anyone take the FBI seriously at this point.
It’s kinda like the RCMP here.

I have zero issues with the local Mounties who patrol the territory etc.

Where my trust begins to disintegrate is with the senior leadership
 
Regardless of how this sorts out, the question in my mind is 'why'. I realize I'm generalizing since I have no clue regarding the office of POTUS and transition of power, but you have a job and hold a position until the day you don't; and on said day, you cease to have any right to hold onto records related to said job exclusive, perhaps, of records that might be considered personal, although I could be swayed on that. Cops don't own their notebooks in spite of what some believe.

What would be the motivation to load those records into the southbound U-Haul, unless it was to (a) protect him from jeopardy and/or (b) have book on somebody else.
 
Regardless of how this sorts out, the question in my mind is 'why'. I realize I'm generalizing since I have no clue regarding the office of POTUS and transition of power, but you have a job and hold a position until the day you don't; and on said day, you cease to have any right to hold onto records related to said job exclusive, perhaps, of records that might be considered personal, although I could be swayed on that. Cops don't own their notebooks in spite of what some believe.

What would be the motivation to load those records into the southbound U-Haul, unless it was to (a) protect him from jeopardy and/or (b) have book on somebody else.
Some speculate the docs could relate to the Crossfire Hurricane documents (Russiagate) he ordered de-classified and publicly released which the DOJ/FBI refused to do before he left office.
 
I have a hard time understanding how some lawyers in the US willy nilly put themselves into these positions. Lawyers are supposed to be legal advisors. Once you start testifying in affidavits and signing documents like this on behalf of clients you become a witness (and possibly a defendant) and no longer an advisor.

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You get what you pay for. Or, in the case of ex-President Trump, those who wonder if they will be stiffed like many others who presented a bill.
 
Some speculate the docs could relate to the Crossfire Hurricane documents (Russiagate) he ordered de-classified and publicly released which the DOJ/FBI refused to do before he left office.
You could be right - I frankly have no idea. If true, why not release them at first opportunity? After all, wouldn't de-classified = public? Perhaps, to hold them for an opportune moment during the next election cycle?

He had to know that possession of these documents would become known. His inner circle has been as consistently staffed as a sports franchise and many have left 'with prejudice'.

As Kevin says, he and many of his Republican friends are washing their hands of the man. I suspect; however, many who have partaken the Kool-Aid will not, and be even more emboldened.
 

and if you want to dig deep - here is a wall of text for you.

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Individuals who are the subject of applications for electronic surveillance, physical search, and other foreign intelligence and foreign counterintelligence investigations authorized by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) pursuant to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, as amended, 50 U.S.C. 1801 et seq. (FISA), Executive Order 12333, and other applicable executive orders governing foreign intelligence; individuals about whom information was obtained by a foreign intelligence electronic surveillance or other search where issues pertaining to the surveillance or search were raised in subsequent litigation; individuals whose activities are the subject of a properly authorized foreign intelligence, foreign counterintelligence, or international terrorism investigation, or investigative techniques not requiring approval from the FISC or whose activities form the crux of a foreign intelligence or counterintelligence policy or operational question; individuals who are not the subjects or proposed subjects of particular investigations or investigative techniques, but who are identified in connection with the authorities for such investigations or techniques, because of their communications or associations with such subjects or their involvement in related activities of foreign intelligence or counterintelligence (including counterterrorism) interest; and NSD attorneys.
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The system consists of FISA applications, authorizations for foreign intelligence and foreign counterintelligence operations, supporting documentation, and FISC
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What would be the motivation to load those records into the southbound U-Haul

Plain ordinary souvenirs; evidence of matters regarding which he felt unfairly treated; bad judgement severely inflected by ego.

Whatever happens, it looks like his foes are swinging for the fences again, so there won't be an "extremely careless" backdown to leave judgement in the hands of primary and general election voters. But if people are writing about matters as if Trump and the DoJ are posting "wins" and "losses", then the DoJ is winning a battle and losing a war. It's not supposed to be leaking and providing photo-ops to win PR points.
 
Some speculate the docs could relate to the Crossfire Hurricane documents (Russiagate) he ordered de-classified and publicly released which the DOJ/FBI refused to do before he left office.
Some do indeed speculate about that. A classification review is ongoing and will determine which, if any, of the seized documents are or were classified or declassified, and likely which documents, if any, constitute “national defense information” under federal law regardless of classification status.


How can anyone take the FBI seriously at this point.

Well, I can name you a couple people who really, really need to right about now.

As someone wittier than I put it, MAGA = Make Attorneys Get Attorneys.
 
Some speculate the docs could relate to the Crossfire Hurricane documents (Russiagate) he ordered de-classified and publicly released which the DOJ/FBI refused to do before he left office.
Wouldn’t matter if those where the issue or not as they where not declassified yet, and wouldn’t ever be declassified in full.

I was a 2020 Trump guy. I didn’t like the election results, but I realized that the issue was larger than either party wanted to admit and in my personal opinion right now 45 is acting like an unhinged lunatic.
 
Wouldn’t matter if those where the issue or not as they where not declassified yet, and wouldn’t ever be declassified in full.

I was a 2020 Trump guy. I didn’t like the election results, but I realized that the issue was larger than either party wanted to admit and in my personal opinion right now 45 is acting like an unhinged lunatic.

If I were to believe everything I read and heard about 45, I would agree with you.

But I don't believe most of it or trust those saying it.
 
If I were to believe everything I read and heard about 45, I would agree with you.

But I don't believe most of it or trust those saying it.
I get around 45 emails a day from Team Trump. You’d swear it was calls for fire from an overrun OP…

Watch him live, he’s charismatic, and a megalomaniac, a dangerous trait.


Furthermore, he's encouraging the fringe elements towards violence - he needs to get on and shut them down, for the good of the country.
But he won't as he's become what he claimed to hate.
 
And here we go.


Probably more divisive at the end state.

Because targeting a specific portion of the population as 'the problem' worked really well in the past, right?

Basket of deplorables​


"Basket of deplorables" is a phrase from a 2016 presidential election campaign speech delivered by Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton on September 9, 2016, at a campaign fundraising event, which she used to describe half of the supporters of her opponent, Republican nominee Donald Trump saying "They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic".[1] The next day, she expressed regret for "saying half", while insisting that Trump had deplorably amplified "hateful views and voices".

The Trump campaign repeatedly used the phrase against Clinton during and after the 2016 presidential election. Many Trump supporters adopted the "deplorable" moniker for themselves in reappropriation. Some journalists and political analysts questioned whether this incident played a role in the election's outcome. Clinton admitted in her 2017 book What Happened that it was one of the factors for her loss.

 
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