A Deeply Fractured US

[Eaglelord17]

Or closer to home. imagine if provinces and police forces refuse to enforce gun buy back etc. And the federal gvt decided to activate the military to do it. I imagine many cheerleaders of what is happening down south would be changing their tunes pretty quick.

The fact there is so many tolerating it in the states is wild to me considering how many militia members and anti-government people they have there. Both the left and the right in the states have a vested interest in keeping the military off their streets.

 

[The Bread Guy]

If the US invaded Canadians would line up to report their Canadian neighbours to the RCMP for having guns.

More, or fewer, than those lining up to help the Americans fight and, maybe, round up folks who don't want the Americans running things? Discuss ...

If I was advising Trump I would suggest he offer new Canadians, refugees, international students, and TFW's shiny new American citizenship if they turned on Canadians if they seized ground and property ...

Ah, the "USSR 2.0 in UKR Donetsk/Luhansk in 2014" approach

 

[Altair]

Or closer to home. imagine if provinces and police forces refuse to enforce gun buy back etc. And the federal gvt decided to activate the military to do it. I imagine many cheerleaders of what is happening down south would be changing their tunes pretty quick.

Oh, I'm sure those backing the president of the USA using the military to fight crime would be behind PM of Canada using the military to enforce the gun buyback.

To do otherwise would be highly hypocritical.

 

[Jarnhamar]

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[Jarnhamar]

Or closer to home. imagine if provinces and police forces refuse to enforce gun buy back etc. And the federal gvt decided to activate the military to do it. I imagine many cheerleaders of what is happening down south would be changing their tunes pretty quick.

Trump is talking about using the military to primarily go after violent criminals and drug trafficking/cartels.

Do you find that is on par with Canadian gun owners, largely non-violent and not trafficking drugs, refusing to turn in their firearms? In many cases at a financial loss?

 

[Remius]

Trump is tlaking about using the military to primarily go after violent criminals and drug trafficking/cartels.

Is he though? Lots of talk of “the enemy within”. They also seem to be helping in the rounding up a lot of non violent undocumented types.

Do you find that is on par with Canadian gun owners, largely non-violent and not trafficking drugs, refusing to turn in their firearms? In many cases at a financial loss?

I imagine some do. If it is acceptable to do so for ideological reasons on one side the why would it be wrong for the other to do the same? Is the law being broken? Is civil authority not following the law? Seems like the very reason they sent in the military to help ice and now it would seem indicate that they will be expanding their scope in law enforcement in cities they deem to not be cooperating with their plans?

Any use of the military in a law enforcement capacity against its own citizens, regardless of how they suddenly classify something or someone, is a slippery slope that goes against basic democratic/western principles.

I think in either case, it’s isn’t acceptable. I stand by the statement that tunes would change if the shoe was on the other foot.

 

[McG]

Trump is talking about using the military to primarily go after violent criminals and drug trafficking/cartels.

He is talking about using the military to punish cities.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Is he though? Lots of talk of “the enemy within”. They also seem to be helping in the rounding up a lot of non violent undocumented types.

Undocumented types are still illegally in the country. If they were legal and Trump changed the rules over night and they became illegal all of a sudden then maybe yeah.

In any case I did some looking and I didn't see any credible evidence of the US military rounding up undocumented types. It does look like they've protecting immigration enforcement officers and government buildings.

Kind of like the RCMP enlisting the help of Canadian Forces soldiers to assist them saving firearms from drowning in the red river floods.

I think in either case, it’s isn’t acceptable. I stand by the statement that tunes would change if the shoe was on the other foot.

Maybe yeah. Personally it comes down to a case by case basis.

I wouldn't have any problem with the military helping police go after gun and drug smugglers, or assisting tracking down violent offenders. It does become a slippery slope (for me) when it's citizens the government made criminals over night. Espeically when the largest provincial police force (and others) won't touch it.

 

[Jarnhamar]

He is talking about using the military to punish cities.

That's messed up.