A minor question about the rules surrounding timings.

[George Wallace]

Yeah, it's sucks when friendly arty rounds (is there really such thing???) arrive late to the party.

It also really sucks when they cease firing late to the party......Really messes up crossing the LOD.    ;D

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Firebase opens fire 5 minutes prior to the timing given?

Nice one!!

 

[Towards_the_gap]

It also really sucks when they cease firing late to the party......Really messes up crossing the LOD.    ;D

Meh...keeps the boys on their toes!  ;D

 

[Franko]

That could inspire a whole new conversation on our OPP and whether tis better to have traces that require a master's in Egyptology to decipher or is a big red arrow in crayola labelled 'bad dudes' sufficient to signal the commanders intent!

That's why you show up 15 minutes prior to orders.....to ask questions about the trace as you take it down.

This ain't rocket surgery.

 

[Towards_the_gap]

That's why you show up 15 minutes prior to orders.....to ask questions about the trace as you take it down.

This ain't rocket surgery.

Obviously.

But there were times when, in an O group with a trace that looked like some sort of post-modernist painting, I sat and wondered 'hmm, I wonder if the Taliban have the same thing going on in Quetta right now, with little 'DISRUPT' 'BLOCK' 'SCREEN' etc symbols on a map'. I came to the conclusion that they didn't, and probably to no great detriment to their ability either.

But there is great danger of this becoming a de-rail, so I'll get back on track. To the OP: confirm your timings and then make sure you are 15mins before them. This should keep you out of ca-ca.

 

[George Wallace]

Obviously.

But there were times when, in an O group with a trace that looked like some sort of post-modernist painting, I sat and wondered 'hmm, I wonder if the Taliban have the same thing going on in Quetta right now, with little 'DISRUPT' 'BLOCK' 'SCREEN' etc symbols on a map'. I came to the conclusion that they didn't, and probably to no great detriment to their ability either.

At the same time they had no concerns for safety measures, etc.  If they died in combat, they would be martyrs and go to Heaven to collect their 70 virgins.  We have different social values than they who worship death in the destruction of 'non-believers'.  For the most part they were also fighting on "their turf" so needed less coordination.  'Hit and run' tactics are fairly simple.  Concentrated attacks less so.  Apples and oranges.

 

[Pusser]

Much advice on this thread has been given on the merits of being five, ten, 15, 20, etc minutes early for an appointed time.  And it's all very good advice.  However, in my view, none of this should ever be construed as a requirement.  The requirement is to be at the appointed time and place, ready to go.  If it takes you five minutes to prepare upon arrival, then you should arrive five minutes early.  If it takes you 50 minutes to prepare, then you should arrive 50 minutes early.  It really should be up to the individual.  If a leader wants people to arrive at a specific point before a scheduled timing, then that point should become the scheduled timing.  We make enough demands on people's time that we shouldn't be further jerking folks around with pseudo-requirements.  In short, if you want me there at 0750, then tell me to be there at 0750.  Don't tell me to be there at 0800 and expect me to arrive ten minutes early.  That seems fair, doesn't it?

 

[Jacky Tar]

Pusser hit it on the head. "Ready to go". Yes, techically, coming over the brow at 0749:59 you're not adrift, but you're not ready to work. The phrase "leave expires onboard at 0750" implies that the working day begins then. Engineering watch being told to be onboard for 0530 flashup means, to me, onboard, in uniform, not in the heads taking a dump, not in the cave getting coffee,  but in the MCR, ready to go.

OP, you don't mention whether you were on time in the sense of walking through the door on the dot, or in the sense of being ready in all respects, so I'll assume you were. But if you weren't, that's probably why your superior ripped you a new one, and I'd agree with him.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Well, the question might have been minor, but the answer process sure hasn't been. :

Pusser hit it on the head. "Ready to go". Yes, techically, coming over the brow at 0749:59 you're not adrift, but you're not ready to work. The phrase "leave expires onboard at 0750" implies that the working day begins then. Engineering watch being told to be onboard for 0530 flashup means, to me, onboard, in uniform, not in the heads taking a dump, not in the cave getting coffee,  but in the MCR, ready to go.

OP, you don't mention whether you were on time in the sense of walking through the door on the dot, or in the sense of being ready in all respects, so I'll assume you were. But if you weren't, that's probably why your superior ripped you a new one, and I'd agree with him.

That I can get onboard with (see what I did there?).

If your told the parade starts at 07:00, you better not be strolling through the door, expecting to slip into the ranks at 06:55.

It's too bad the OP never came back to fully clarify the circumstances. In fact, they haven't been here to even read the discussion, since posting their question.

Although I would not tend to side with them until I heard the other side(s).

 

[Wolseleydog]

Just as an aside, it was to control the tendency of each level of command tacking on their own bit of lead time that we invented the phrase "NO MOVE BEFORE."

 

[OldSolduer]

Just as an aside, it was to control the tendency of each level of command tacking on their own bit of lead time that we invented the phrase "NO MOVE BEFORE."

Back in the "olden days" we used to have bn pde at 0730, which necessitated a coy pde at 0720, which necessitated a pl pde at 0710....see where I'm going with this?

 

[392]

Upon showing up for a recent event, to see that it started earlier than the timing I was given, I was pulled aside and asked why I was late. I told the person that I was not late and I am actually a few minutes early for the timing given to me. I, of course, found myself in quite a bit of trouble and extra duties.

Awww......look at my little Johnny, he's the ONLY one in step 


Sounds to me like the everyone else was on time - not a case of the varying levels of the CoC backing timings up for varying levels of inspections / map markings / etc etc.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Just as an aside, it was to control the tendency of each level of command tacking on their own bit of lead time that we invented the phrase "NO MOVE BEFORE."

That's an interesting hypothesis. Got a reference for it?

 

[Old Sweat]

I suggest "NO MOVE BEFORE" has more to do with tactical and road space control than parade timings.

 

[Journeyman]

I suggest "NO MOVE BEFORE" has more to do with tactical and road space control than parade timings.

      :nod:

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I suggest "NO MOVE BEFORE" has more to do with tactical and road space control than parade timings.

That's where I was heading, but thought I'd try that 'politeness' thing for a change. 

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

That's where I was heading, but thought I'd try that 'politeness' thing for a change. 

Nope......stay with your strong suit.... :-*

 

[cupper]

That's where I was heading, but thought I'd try that 'politeness' thing for a change. 

Was it painful?

I'll bet it hurt like a Son of a ....