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A Naval Disaster- article May 30/ 07

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A naval disaster

If any country needs a strong navy, it's Canada. But our decrepit fleet patrols three enormous coastlines with grossly inadequate funding

Colin Kenny

Wednesday, May 30, 2007

At the end of the Second World War, it was almost impossible to find a Canadian who didn't understand the importance of Canada's navy. Six decades later, it is difficult to find a Canadian who does.
The ships go out. The ships come back. What was that all about? No guns or torpedoes were fired, so what were they doing out there? And those ships are expensive. They're always getting refitted. Who needs them?
We do, and we're going to for a long time. Which is becoming a real problem, because right now the politicians who control Canada's purse strings are neglecting our navy. That could cause big problems for Canadians in the coming decades. They should know why.
Right now most Canadians assume that someone in Ottawa is taking care of all this on their behalf. Wrong.
In Part 2 of this series I will take a more detailed look at those components of our navy that are getting short shrift -- think frigates, think destroyers, think submarines, think having to steal equipment from other ships to go to sea. In Part 1, I would like to focus on what roles our navy plays on behalf of Canadians, and ponder why the navy isn't getting much attention from the Canadian government these days.
What kind of country needs a strong navy?
How about a country with the longest coastlines in the world? That would be Canada.
How about a country whose economy is largely built around exports, a high percentage of which are shipped by sea -- even to the United States? That would be Canada.
How about a country that is big enough to play a significant role in world politics, but not big enough to do that unless it makes major contributions to its alliances (such as NATO naval exercises and missions)? That would be Canada.
Navies can protect coastlines and littoral waters. Navies can act in concert with like-minded countries to protect shipping lanes threatened by pirates or hostile states. Navies can blockade renegade states.
Well-equipped navies can transport troops and military equipment over long distances -- in land operations, the economies of transporting by ship are often far superior to flying in troops and equipment.
Navies often offer the best means of projecting power against a hostile country -- simply the presence of an aircraft carrier surrounded by support vessels and loaded with fighter planes can convince a hostile country to modify its behaviour. Canada doesn't have an aircraft carrier, but it has frigates and destroyers that have often helped protect allies' aircraft carriers.
A useful navy is an entry ticket to alliances that help us defend our interests. We can't expect our allies to defend us on their own. Example: for many years Canada had virtually no submarine presence on our Pacific Coast. Because of that, U.S. subs that have been active along that coastline saw no need to share underwater intelligence with us.
Navies are increasingly joining hands to act in common interest, both for diplomatic and constabulary reasons. Canada will never have a big enough navy to dominate any part of the high seas, but it should be capable of joining a common front against hostile forces -- both defending Canada's interests and making friends by acting in common cause.
The navies of many Asian countries are growing, and some are working together to combat piracy after having joined hands to assist with relief during the 2004 tsunami.
Canada is a Pacific country. Countries such as China and India continue to pour vast sums into defence and to flex their economic, political and military muscles.
Canada's trade with this region is increasing rapidly. It has been estimated that the North American West Coast is going to have to increase port capacity by the equivalent of the capacity of the Port of Vancouver every year to handle massive increases in container shipping.
Canadians have an interest in how things shake down in Asia. Countries such as China and India understand that political strength and economic strength related to shipping requires a strong naval presence. Their navies are waxing. Canada's is waning.
Consider: Announcements of new military spending last summer designated money for trucks (army), helicopters (army), both strategic and tactical transport planes (for transporting army personnel and equipment) and replenishment ships (for refuelling the navy, but also for transporting supplies for the army). Then there was one more purchase announced a few weeks ago -- tanks for the army.
Yes, we have a commitment in Afghanistan, a landlocked nation. The most urgent purchases are for the army. But this government promised to grow and rehabilitate the entire Canadian Forces after previous governments allowed our military to decay.
So far, any rehabilitation has been almost completely army-centric. The defence capability plan the government ordered the Department of National Defence to produce last fall seems to have disappeared. It was supposed to outline our military's most glaring needs -- some of which would have focused on the navy and air force -- so the government could make spending plans.
Will it reappear before the next election? Or does the government believe it has bought off voters who believe Canada should be capable of defending itself with its announcement of army-oriented purchases, and doesn't want to alienate pacifist voters by telling the truth: that it will need to invest billions more in both the army and the other branches if Canada is going to have a viable military a decade or two from now?
Meanwhile, there appears to be no plan for refitting frigates that need refitting, and replacing destroyers that need replacing.
If the government is going to use its current commitment in Afghanistan to renege on its commitment to rebuild the entire military, the Canadian navy isn't going to be able to defend a bathtub 20 years from now.
Colin Kenny is chair of the Senate national security and defence committee. Part 2 will appear tomorrow.
© The Ottawa Citizen 2007

Although I am not sure why he says
there appears to be no plan for refitting frigates that need refitting
as FELEX has been paid for.

 
How many cuts did FELEX suffer.....what is the difference between the project now and the project in its original form ?
 
From the briefs we have been given FELEX will be all 12 CPFs with no changes. We shall see...
 
Ex-Dragoon said:
From the briefs we have been given FELEX will be all 12 CPFs with no changes. We shall see...

I thought i had read somewhere that the power generation and distribution system upgrade portion of FELEX had been cut.  Thats the kind of things i was thinking of.
 
Maybe it has but the brief we has back in Feb never mentioned anything like that at all, the Cdr giving it said it was still going on strong.
 
Ex,
I modified the thread title cause ya scared the bejeepers out of me....I thought "Oh no, what now?"
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
Ex,
I modified the thread title cause ya scared the bejeepers out of me....I thought "Oh no, what now?"

Ditto!  Thank you Bruce, my heart was in my throat for a bit, even with the modification.  All I centered on was Naval disaster and the date.
 
In a way, he's right - it is an Ottawa Citizen article, after all.

And if one did not look at the byline, and recognize the name...

Mike Baker: see who Colin Kenny is, if you don't know.
 
Ok.. thanks Bruce...now I can get my heart started again.  Two kids in Navy..double the heart stopping effect.

 
In Part 2 of this series I will take a more detailed look at those components of our navy that are getting short shrift -- think frigates, think destroyers, think submarines, think having to steal equipment from other ships to go to sea

This is part 2.

We needed to start buying new ships years ago
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/opinion/story.html?id=84989ebc-aaed-4f59-a3b9-b8e0c5717203
Colin Kenny, Citizen Special  Published: Thursday, May 31, 2007

Canada's ports serve as gateways to more than 100 economies across the world. Twenty per cent of our trade with the United States goes by sea. Ninety-seven per cent of Canada's exports to all other countries flow across ocean trade routes.

Many of Canada's frontier oil reserves are offshore, and our fisheries still generate more than $4 billion in export income annually.

Canadians have a vested interest in protecting our nation along our coasts and on the high seas. Yesterday I made the case that Canada must have a robust navy, both to protect our territory and our interests abroad, but also to help forge relationships with like-minded countries advancing common interests around the world.

But that navy, which is an afterthought to most Canadians (and to most Canadian voters), is beginning to disintegrate in a number of vital areas.

Take frigates and destroyers.

Only frigates and destroyers are large enough to allow our navy to operate in Canada's most severe sea conditions. Beyond our waters, frigates and destroyers constitute the basic building blocks of the navies of medium-sized countries like Canada that sail in common cause in coalitions with allies. Only frigates and destroyers allow Canada to make meaningful contributions to multi-national naval operations, and to take a leadership role in command and control when it's our turn.

To refit and replace such ships on a timely basis requires starting many years in advance of having them operational -- this process can take well over a decade.

Our three destroyers will "rust out" by 2012, when they will be 40 years old. That doesn't mean the navy won't keep sending them to sea, but it does mean that maintenance costs become prohibitive.

There are no approved plans to replace these destroyers. Such plans would naturally flow from an overall defence capability plan, that has been due for more than a year now but that the government seems to have shunted aside as it focuses on surviving Afghanistan.

Without destroyers, Canada will lose its command-and-control capacity at sea, meaning the ability to co-ordinate the progress of two or more ships. This would assign us the role of perpetual followers of someone else's navy.

Even if Canada were to purchase destroyers from other countries, they would have to be reconfigured to fit into Canadian operational systems, and this would take time. Even if the government were to act quickly -- which it has shown no signs of doing -- a leaked draft of the defence capability plan suggests that the time to assure Canada's continued command-and-control capacity at sea has already passed, and that there will be a gap of five to eight years when the current destroyers become inoperable.

Canada has 12 frigates. They were commissioned between 1992 and 1996, which means the early ones are now due for their mid-life refits, and the later ones soon will be. These ships need to be modernized in order to make a useful military contribution during the second half of their lives.


The process of getting budgetary approvals, soliciting and examining bids and other procurement protocol takes time, which means that the process for refits should have been started by now. It hasn't been. The process for replacing these frigates should also be in the works. Again, it isn't.

If something isn't initiated soon, some future government is going to find itself without a frigate fleet. Naval sources predict the possibility of a future gap of several years without these essential vessels if re-ordering is not done immediately.

Which brings us to submarines. Submarines excel at defending, and at surveillance and intelligence gathering. Even with modern technology, they are very difficult to detect. The mere presence of submarines defending our coasts is a deterrent to potentially hostile vessels.

Canada's four submarines, purchased from the British nine years ago, are in the process of being refitted so they can fire Canadian-designed torpedoes. By 2009, three of them should finally be ready. A fourth -- the Chicoutimi -- is supposed to gain this capacity at some later date. There will need to be orders in place to replace these subs by 2015, or Canada will lose its submarine capacity.

On the whole, Canadian naval vessels are so old that in many cases spare parts are no longer available. Many ships are in such a tenuous state that every time one puts to sea, the navy must invest the time and energy in transferring parts from other ships remaining in port.

The one area where the government appears willing to make an investment is on smaller "arctic patrol vessels," to conform to its promotion of the idea that it should be a navy priority to defend Canadian sovereignty in the North.

The truth is that issues of sovereignty are going to be decided politically or legally -- Canada isn't going to blow any U.S. or British ships out of the water. Nevertheless, the government focus is on putting the navy into Arctic waters while our east and west coasts lie largely undefended.

Canadians need to understand what is happening here. At a time when emerging Asian countries are building up their navies, Canada is on the brink of allowing its navy to disintegrate.

The minister of defence is an army man. The chief of the defence staff is an army man, and so is his vice-chief. Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that government military purchases announced over the past year are so army-oriented.

Or perhaps it is simply panic that we will fail in Afghanistan.

The political consideration is that there is no immediate political payoff in rebuilding a country's navy. The benefits would accrue to Canadians long after the current government is gone.

Whatever the reason, Canadians should be paying attention. A maritime nation without a navy is like a king not wearing any clothes: sovereignty undressed.
 
Is it just me or is the Canadian Government East Coast oriented.  I know that most of the fisheries problems that involve other nations seem to occur in the East,  however it seems to me that at least 50% of, say,  the drug trafficking threat is on the West coast and that most of the countries from which we could perceive a naval threat are in the Pacific.  I don't know exactly how many ships we can field on the West Coast tomorrow morning but if it is in the order of two or three it seems incredibly inadequate.
 
Unfortunately, unless you are an elected official, or a member of the senate, or a high-ranking officer, or at least a credible academic, your opinion doesnt count for much among the powers that be...
 
A very good read, I cannot disagree with most of what is said.  The point about spare parts being no longer available for some of the ships is so very true.  In the engineering world many of the companies who produced the gear for the Tankers for example have been out of business for 20 or so years.  It can be a nightmare trying to find gear that will work as replacement parts when something goes down for good.  But honestly I don't think that the powers that be will do much of anything until it is almost too late, and even then I am not sure.
 
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