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A Somber Bush Says Farewell to the Nation

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A Somber Bush Says Farewell to the Nation

Shortly before Mr. Bush spoke Thursday, the White House published his schedule for Tuesday, Mr. Obama’s Inauguration Day. In the peculiarly stilted language of White House scheduling documents, it captured perfectly Mr. Bush’s transition from President Bush to Citizen Bush, as follows:

11:30 a.m. THE PRESIDENT and Mrs. Bush participate in the swearing-in ceremony for the 44th president of the United States of America.

1:25 p.m. THE FORMER PRESIDENT   makes remarks at departure ceremony, Andrews Air Force Base — Hangar 6.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/us/politics/16bush.html?hp

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Baden  Guy said:
A Somber Bush Says Farewell to the Nation

Shortly before Mr. Bush spoke Thursday, the White House published his schedule for Tuesday, Mr. Obama’s Inauguration Day. In the peculiarly stilted language of White House scheduling documents, it captured perfectly Mr. Bush’s transition from President Bush to Citizen Bush, as follows:

11:30 a.m. THE PRESIDENT and Mrs. Bush participate in the swearing-in ceremony for the 44th president of the United States of America.

1:25 p.m. THE FORMER PRESIDENT   makes remarks at departure ceremony, Andrews Air Force Base — Hangar 6.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/us/politics/16bush.html?hp

;D ;D ;D
Dont' hold back.  Tell us how you really feel.  (I'm sure that Saint Obama will have the US and the world fixed in about 6 months)
 
Bush had his faults but his decisions liberated over 50m people from oppression and kept the US safe. Obama has big shoes to fill - a tall order for someone so inexperienced.
 
tomahawk6 said:
Bush had his faults but his decisions liberated over 50m people from oppression and kept the US safe. Obama has big shoes to fill - a tall order for someone so inexperienced.

I with T6 and Bush 43 as is this writer http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/1637/28/
 
tomahawk6 said:
Bush had his faults but his decisions liberated over 50m people from oppression and kept the US safe. Obama has big shoes to fill - a tall order for someone so inexperienced.
Agreed. IMO, in about a year, President Bush will not look half as bad as he does now to the people who believe Obama is some sort of, how you say, super man.

There is no doubt in my mind he will do a good job, but it sometimes takes change to realize that things we not as bad as it was reported.


My 2 Euros.
 
Baden  Guy said:
Shortly before Mr. Bush spoke Thursday, the White House published his schedule for Tuesday, Mr. Obama’s Inauguration Day. In the peculiarly stilted language of White House scheduling documents, it captured perfectly Mr. Bush’s transition from President Bush to Citizen Bush, as follows:

11:30 a.m. THE PRESIDENT and Mrs. Bush participate in the swearing-in ceremony for the 44th president of the United States of America.

1:25 p.m. THE FORMER PRESIDENT   makes remarks at departure ceremony, Andrews Air Force Base — Hangar 6.

It would be interesting to see what the ORIGINAL document the reporter saw actually said - but why would WE ever want to see original documents when MSM can read them for us?  ;)

Agree or disagree with the guy, GWB pulled a pretty heavy load during a particularly busy period of history.
 
Where I part company with Bush was his open border policy with regard to our southern border and his domestic policies which definitely are not conservative. This bailout is bad policy and wont work - it didnt during the great depression. It didnt work during the Japanese economic mailaise of the 90's. I believe in less government,not more government. Unfortunately I fully expect for the economy to get much worse if we embark on cap and trade,higher taxes and more socialist type spending programs. The poor will remain poor and the wealthy will become much poorer. When its all said and done I suspect we will see double digit inflation and interest rates t match.Hope I'm wrong.
 
Midnight Rambler said:
Dont' hold back.  Tell us how you really feel.  (I'm sure that Saint Obama will have the US and the world fixed in about 6 months)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/opinion/16krugman.html?pagewanted=print
Forgive and Forget?
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Last Sunday President-elect Barack Obama was asked whether he would seek an investigation of possible crimes by the Bush administration. “I don’t believe that anybody is above the law,” he responded, but “we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards.”

I’m sorry, but if we don’t have an inquest into what happened during the Bush years — and nearly everyone has taken Mr. Obama’s remarks to mean that we won’t — this means that those who hold power are indeed above the law because they don’t face any consequences if they abuse their power.

Let’s be clear what we’re talking about here. It’s not just torture and illegal wiretapping, whose perpetrators claim, however implausibly, that they were patriots acting to defend the nation’s security. The fact is that the Bush administration’s abuses extended from environmental policy to voting rights. And most of the abuses involved using the power of government to reward political friends and punish political enemies.

At the Justice Department, for example, political appointees illegally reserved nonpolitical positions for “right-thinking Americans” — their term, not mine — and there’s strong evidence that officials used their positions both to undermine the protection of minority voting rights and to persecute Democratic politicians.

The hiring process at Justice echoed the hiring process during the occupation of Iraq — an occupation whose success was supposedly essential to national security — in which applicants were judged by their politics, their personal loyalty to President Bush and, according to some reports, by their views on Roe v. Wade, rather than by their ability to do the job.

Speaking of Iraq, let’s also not forget that country’s failed reconstruction: the Bush administration handed billions of dollars in no-bid contracts to politically connected companies, companies that then failed to deliver. And why should they have bothered to do their jobs? Any government official who tried to enforce accountability on, say, Halliburton quickly found his or her career derailed.

There’s much, much more. By my count, at least six important government agencies experienced major scandals over the past eight years — in most cases, scandals that were never properly investigated. And then there was the biggest scandal of all: Does anyone seriously doubt that the Bush administration deliberately misled the nation into invading Iraq?

Why, then, shouldn’t we have an official inquiry into abuses during the Bush years?

One answer you hear is that pursuing the truth would be divisive, that it would exacerbate partisanship. But if partisanship is so terrible, shouldn’t there be some penalty for the Bush administration’s politicization of every aspect of government?

Alternatively, we’re told that we don’t have to dwell on past abuses, because we won’t repeat them. But no important figure in the Bush administration, or among that administration’s political allies, has expressed remorse for breaking the law. What makes anyone think that they or their political heirs won’t do it all over again, given the chance?

In fact, we’ve already seen this movie. During the Reagan years, the Iran-contra conspirators violated the Constitution in the name of national security. But the first President Bush pardoned the major malefactors, and when the White House finally changed hands the political and media establishment gave Bill Clinton the same advice it’s giving Mr. Obama: let sleeping scandals lie. Sure enough, the second Bush administration picked up right where the Iran-contra conspirators left off — which isn’t too surprising when you bear in mind that Mr. Bush actually hired some of those conspirators.

Now, it’s true that a serious investigation of Bush-era abuses would make Washington an uncomfortable place, both for those who abused power and those who acted as their enablers or apologists. And these people have a lot of friends. But the price of protecting their comfort would be high: If we whitewash the abuses of the past eight years, we’ll guarantee that they will happen again.

Meanwhile, about Mr. Obama: while it’s probably in his short-term political interests to forgive and forget, next week he’s going to swear to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.” That’s not a conditional oath to be honored only when it’s convenient.

And to protect and defend the Constitution, a president must do more than obey the Constitution himself; he must hold those who violate the Constitution accountable. So Mr. Obama should reconsider his apparent decision to let the previous administration get away with crime. Consequences aside, that’s not a decision he has the right to make.



 
And to protect and defend the Constitution, a president must do more than obey the Constitution himself; he must hold those who violate the Constitution accountable. So Mr. Obama should reconsider his apparent decision to let the previous administration get away with crime. Consequences aside, that’s not a decision he has the right to make.

To the left war is a crime. FSA is a crime. Gitmo is a crime. Unfortunately the left's hatred of Bush is irrational and misguided. If Obama went down that road he and his administration might be the next in the dock which has never occured before in our history.

The truth is Obama is going to keep Gitmo open,what else can you do with these bad guy short of executing them ? Many of the detainee's upon release have rejoined the jihad so we can hardly turn them loose in the US proper. If he transfered them to a US Fed prison that opens the doors to Constitutional protections that they dont deserve and would be freed. Their home countries dont want them back.\

Obama is going to keep FSA,the foreign surveillance act.
We wont be accelerating our departure from Iraq.The democrats dont want to be labeled as the party that gave away the hard won gains.

Basically all the so called evils of the Bush administration will be continued by Obama. My guess is that Obama can keep most conservatives off his back by maintaining current policy while focusing on the economy and domestic issues that really are his real interest. That wont mean that he wont be siding with the palestinians against Israel or being chummy with Iran. He no doubt will try to become more proactive in Africa,meaning the use of military force and humanitarian missions. Bush may own the economy for awhile a terrorist but an attack inside the US will be on Obama.
 
tomahawk6 said:
Bush had his faults but his decisions liberated over 50m people from oppression and kept the US safe.

At what cost? 4,000 dead US soldiers. 30,000 wounded. Estimates put the civilian death toll in Iraq between 700,000 to 1.4 million. And given the US's history of supporting oppressive dictators throughout the world, it's unlikely that the reason for the invasion was to liberate Iraqis.

Bush did not keep the US safe during his term. 9/11 occurred, remember? And the US today is more unpopular and has more enemies than it ever has before. So I doubt it is safer.
 
Hey, Bo, good to see ya!  Who had 18:15 in the pool?
 
tomahawk6 said:
To the left war is a crime.

Not everyone on the "left" believes that. Not all liberals are peaceloving hippies who love sleeping under peace arches. Perhaps many of the people who vote for them are that way, but not necessarily liberal-leaning politicians such as American Democrats. But like other politicians of other parties, they have to be pragmatic once they are in office, and have to be willing to order military action if it is required, as in the case of President Clinton when he ordered US forces to take part in NATO's Operation Allied Force with air strikes against Serbian forces in Kosovo. Or we can even go further and use the example of Pres. Truman sending US forces to the "police action"of the Korean War. Furthermore, they also understand that if they intend to commit the country to an undertaking such as full-scale war, they have to believe it is a just war, or at least be able to sell to the public that it is a just war. 
 
The West is populated by a society that is much more fickle today than it was a century ago.  Larger populations produce larger numbers of desenters, although the percentages will have varied very little over the years.  Today's technologies allow the vocal minorities much more access to means of spreading their views loudly and to larger numbers of the population.  Are we following in the footsteps of so many "civilizations" before us and are now in decline; bent on self-destruction through becoming "soft" in the face of lean mean enemies?
 
tomahawk6 said:
Bush had his faults but his decisions liberated over 50m people from oppression and kept the US safe. Obama has big shoes to fill - a tall order for someone so inexperienced.

Well said TH6!

Cheers,

Wes
 
I for one am glad to see Mr. Bush on his way out.  While I don't hold Mr. Obama on a pedestal like many do, I believe the United States & indeed the entire world are ready for a change from Mr. Bush's policies.

While I think its important to remember the good that was done just as much as the bad, the bad in his case was exceptional.  Even if not all of it was his fault, he is still the leader of a government who has had an incredible amount of controversy during his presidency.  

-  A war started on faulty intelligence which has cost 4000 US soldiers their lives, 30,000 wounded - not to mention the families that have been affected.  Pardoning illegal immigrants coming up from the south in massive numbers, creating a huge problem in terms of infrastructure, employment, economics, crime, etc, etc.  

-  Warrantless wiretapping of American citizens.

-  Guantanamo Bay.  An American prison in which its primary purpose for existing is to house inmates & gather intelligence in ways that are illegal in the continential US.

The list goes on, but I think I've made my point.  While some good things may have been accomplished by GWB, the controversy around his government is astounding.  I think the American people are ready for a new leader, even if he doesn't live up to all the hype that the MSM has given to Obama.

 
CBH99 said:
I for one am glad to see Mr. Bush on his way out.  While I don't hold Mr. Obama on a pedestal like many do, I believe the United States & indeed the entire world are ready for a change from Mr. Bush's policies.

While I think its important to remember the good that was done just as much as the bad, the bad in his case was exceptional.  Even if not all of it was his fault, he is still the leader of a government who has had an incredible amount of controversy during his presidency.  

-  A war started on faulty intelligence which has cost 4000 US soldiers their lives, 30,000 wounded - not to mention the families that have been affected.  Pardoning illegal immigrants coming up from the south in massive numbers, creating a huge problem in terms of infrastructure, employment, economics, crime, etc, etc.  

-  Warrantless wiretapping of American citizens.

-  Guantanamo Bay.  An American prison in which its primary purpose for existing is to house inmates & gather intelligence in ways that are illegal in the continential US.

The list goes on, but I think I've made my point.  While some good things may have been accomplished by GWB, the controversy around his government is astounding.  I think the American people are ready for a new leader, even if he doesn't live up to all the hype that the MSM has given to Obama.

......and what were the alternatives?
 
In a couple of years we are going to miss George.
He can laugh at himself. I don't think Obama can.

In truth GWB was not a fortunate as most presidents but he did do the right thing WRT the war on terror.

If we review, we find  Clinton, for all of his popularity, sowed the seeds that resulted in war.
GWB found himself cleaning up the Clinton mess for two terms.

Only the almighty knows how long it will take Sarah Palin to clean up after Obama.

I guess I revealed myself with that last line..... ;D
 
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