A Tangent On Working Hours and Stuff Split from "All things Novel Coronavirus"

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obedience has to be immediate and unquestioning

I think some members of A Pl, ST7 might want to debate that one with you.

 

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Also...NavyShooter, your post in this thread is probably one of the best I've ever read. Very well said.

 

[Haggis]

Who?

And it's about context. There is a time and place for that type of leadership. Everyday is not the time and everywhere is not the place. Any officer or NCM who believes otherwise is doomed.

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[NavyShooter]

I've asked myself that in the past and while I would be lying to say it wouldn't be tough at first, I only have a few years left until I can get out with 20 years.  I don't think I could join where my mind is now and last 20-25 years doing it.

Then I would posit that you are no longer deadly.  Certainly not to our enemies. 


Your 'few years left' will see you more jaded, and less soldierly.  You will, if you stay to your 20 with your current attitude, end up as a bitter and beaten down individual.


I've seen it - that goal of 'sticking it out to get my 20' - you're doing yourself a dis-service.


I see three options for you. 


1.  Get out of your rut.  Get operational.  Cast aside the 8-4, get out of Ottawa, leave the Golden Palace eggrolls behind and re-invigorate yourself.  Being with the troops is great.  Being stuck behind a desk is a terrible fate.


2.  Stay in - punch your time to get your 20 - by the time you get there in a few years, you will have become bitter - as a MCpl perhaps on the cusp of being promoted - or even middle of the pack - you may rise and become a Sgt, but your attitude will wear you, and those around you down.  You'd likely be a very bitter Sgt - and getting that rank with a bare year or two - having to learn all the higher level skills associate with the higher rank- you'd likely be too comfortable doing the MCpl job and not want to learn the new skills expected of you.  Your performance would drop the closer you got to hitting your 20, and eventually, you'd flip the switch - leaving a bitter man in search of something similar because of the comfort you felt.


3.  Get out now.  Write your resume this weekend - submit your name - when the COVID passes, and OP LASER secures, there will be many new opportunities.  Take that, find something that inspires you.  There is more out there.


Based on your additional comments and responses - you're likely to be a very bitter MCpl who retires at 20 years with a big chip on your shoulder. 


That would be unfortunate.  In truth, none of us wish you ill, we're just trying to help.


NS

 

[stellarpanther]

Then I would posit that you are no longer deadly.  Certainly not to our enemies. 


Your 'few years left' will see you more jaded, and less soldierly.  You will, if you stay to your 20 with your current attitude, end up as a bitter and beaten down individual.


I've seen it - that goal of 'sticking it out to get my 20' - you're doing yourself a dis-service.


I see three options for you. 


1.  Get out of your rut.  Get operational.  Cast aside the 8-4, get out of Ottawa, leave the Golden Palace eggrolls behind and re-invigorate yourself.  Being with the troops is great.  Being stuck behind a desk is a terrible fate.


2.  Stay in - punch your time to get your 20 - by the time you get there in a few years, you will have become bitter - as a MCpl perhaps on the cusp of being promoted - or even middle of the pack - you may rise and become a Sgt, but your attitude will wear you, and those around you down.  You'd likely be a very bitter Sgt - and getting that rank with a bare year or two - having to learn all the higher level skills associate with the higher rank- you'd likely be too comfortable doing the MCpl job and not want to learn the new skills expected of you.  Your performance would drop the closer you got to hitting your 20, and eventually, you'd flip the switch - leaving a bitter man in search of something similar because of the comfort you felt.


3.  Get out now.  Write your resume this weekend - submit your name - when the COVID passes, and OP LASER secures, there will be many new opportunities.  Take that, find something that inspires you.  There is more out there.


Based on your additional comments and responses - you're likely to be a very bitter MCpl who retires at 20 years with a big chip on your shoulder. 


That would be unfortunate.  In truth, none of us wish you ill, we're just trying to help.


NS

Thank you, I am thinking of my options, a posting might be a good move but I know it's not going to happen this APS, that's a certain.  It may come across different on here but I don't dislike the CAF as much as it may seem. I hate to admit it, but it really might be the 8-4 rut that I don't like.  If I did, I would have never encouraged my son to join.

 

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Do they still have the flight attendant gig?

 

[Good2Golf]

Thank you, I am thinking of my options, a posting might be a good move but I know it's not going to happen this APS, that's a certain.  It may come across different on here but I don't dislike the CAF as much as it may seem. I hate to admit it, but it really might be the 8-4 rut that I don't like.  If I did, I would have never encouraged my son to join.

Do you have family/friends in the NCR?  Would you want to stay close, yet try something different? In all seriousness, maybe consider asking for a posting up the Valley to 4 CDSG (Base-side, not 2 CMBG)?  It might be different enough from NDHQ (101, Star Top, Carling, Louis St.Laurent, etc.) that you may find it reinvigorating and at the very least be different enough from NDHQ that you’re last years up to 20 are, if not exciting and enjoyable, relatively refreshing and fulfilling.  I know folks may dismiss it out of hand, but there is something about the energy of supporting a combat capability without getting 110% into how Brigade line units can do things (which can suck, whilst being rewarding).  Personally, I have to say that I always enjoyed my time in Pet, a couple of times for a few years each time. It was a good tempo reset/foil against the saturation that can be NDHQ.  Something to think about.

Cheers
G2G

 

[Kat Stevens]

Do you have family/friends in the NCR?  Would you want to stay close, yet try something different? In all seriousness, maybe consider asking for a posting up the Valley to 4 CDSG (Base-side, not 2 CMBG)?  It might be different enough from NDHQ (101, Star Top, Carling, Louis St.Laurent, etc.) that you may find it reinvigorating and at the very least be different enough from NDHQ that you’re last years up to 20 are, if not exciting and enjoyable, relatively refreshing and fulfilling.  I know folks may dismiss it out of hand, but there is something about the energy of supporting a combat capability without getting 110% into how Brigade line units can do things (which can suck, whilst being rewarding).  Personally, I have to say that I always enjoyed my time in Pet, a couple of times for a few years each time. It was a good tempo reset/foil against the saturation that can be NDHQ.  Something to think about.

Cheers
G2G

Between 0630 and 0730, and again at 1530-1700 daily is particularly delightful.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Is that accurate across the NCR? You have to say please and thank you and tip toe around like you're walking on egg shells to order a subordinate do something?

 

[PuckChaser]

Between 0630 and 0730, and again at 1530-1700 daily is particularly delightful.

I dunno what you're talking about, traffic issues are solved right now. We don't even have to worry about the bridge washing away this year!

 

[stellarpanther]

Is that accurate across the NCR? You have to say please and thank you and tip toe around like you're walking on egg shells to order a subordinate do something?

I wasn't exaggerating.  I think I have a naturally pleasant way of talking to people and I've never had anyone go to my supervisor about the way I've talked to them but I've seen it happen.  I've also seen people file complains because a supervisor swore.  I don't mean at a person because that would be a whole new ball game but an example is, one MCpl I know told one of the HRA's that something needed to get done for a mbr and to put the other thing that was less of a priority aside until the next day.  The mbr argued about it and the MCpl basically said "it's needs to get fucking done or its going to cause a problem for the mbr, just start working on it" or something close to that.  The MCpl was called in to the Capt's office and reminded that there's a better way to handle situations like that but swearing is never appropriate even though he wasn't swearing at the mbr. 

 

[Kat Stevens]

I dunno what you're talking about, traffic issues are solved right now. We don't even have to worry about the bridge washing away this year!

Well, in my defense, it's been a couple of years since I was there last, before everything below RCD hill was a gated community for the fabulous folks.

 

[PuckChaser]

Well, in my defense, it's been a couple of years since I was there last, before everything below RCD hill was a gated community for the fabulous folks.

Most of it will be, looks like they're gating off the new CANSOF compound and 427 and leaving a MSR to 450. There's also talks to build ramps to access Hwy 17 either off Paquette road by Range Control or Brindle Road to basically cut the traffic going through Petawawa proper in half. I know if I worked anywhere near RCD Hill and didn't live in the PMQs I'd head out that way.

 

[Kat Stevens]

I remember it when it was nothing but milkweed, wasp nests, poison ivy, and unexploded ordnance as far as the eye could see. Good times.

 

[Haggis]

Is that accurate across the NCR? You have to say please and thank you and tip toe around like you're walking on egg shells to order a subordinate do something?

When I first started at NDHQ I had to attend a VCDS run "NDHQ Orientation" session.  One of the topics covered was "Tone at NDHQ" which served to educate us newbies on how to communicate, orally and in writing, across the NDHQ spectrum.  So, yes, there's a few eggshells to avoid and it's quite easy to offend someone at NDHQ.